(1) Official Japanese Pokemon Website Also Posts About the January 8th Announcement [1/4]

And Bolt The Cat, so is the argument on RS remakes. I never denied that the announcement might be sixth gen, but.yet you're attacking the RS remakes. Do us a favor and take your own advice. ASAP.


Blui129 said:
Ex-Magma and Aqua grunts is a piece-o'-crap argument. There are references to both Rocket, and even more so Galactic. I say that DP remakes are even more likely than RS remakes at this point. Gen 6 is most likely though, why would there be so much publicity just for a simple remake, and when Masuda himself said that they want to evolve the franchise. Making remakes /=/ evolution.
@NachoMan, Teal and Mitja are just really good at making arguments. Saying that they are arrogant for making an argument makes you look horrible. Just sayin'

Putting words in my mouth yet AGAIN. I never said they were arrogant for making an argument. Just don't snoot down everyone elses just because they are different than yours. Blui 129, you're no better because you are doing the same thing that they did. Proves who's biased. That's what I thought. Enough said.
 
NachoMan said:
And Bolt The Cat, so is the argument on RS remakes. I never denied that the announcement might be sixth gen, but.yet you're attacking the RS remakes. Do us a favor and take your own advice. ASAP.

No, there's plenty of reasons for 6th gen games now but there's no reason for RS remakes. If you want to convince people of RS remakes, you have to do so using logic and evidence. That's exactly what the 6th gen supporters have been doing but you keep ignoring it and call it "attacking". Sorry, but there's nothing wrong with logical debate on this forum.
 
And this is where the thread's name changes to "The bashers" thread. C'mon guys, give us a break. It's not like anyone loses if their opinion is wrong. We wait and see.
Now that I think of it, I might have bashed someone myself. I apologize if I insulted you before, Mitja. I was just kinda annoyed at the moment.
 
ChillBill said:
And this is where the thread's name changes to "The bashers" thread. C'mon guys, give us a break. It's not like anyone loses if their opinion is wrong. We wait and see.
Now that I think of it, I might have bashed someone myself. I apologize if I insulted you before, Mitja. I was just kinda annoyed at the moment.

Not if you bet.
 
Bolt the Cat said:
NachoMan said:
And Bolt The Cat, so is the argument on RS remakes. I never denied that the announcement might be sixth gen, but.yet you're attacking the RS remakes. Do us a favor and take your own advice. ASAP.

No, there's plenty of reasons for 6th gen games now but there's no reason for RS remakes. If you want to convince people of RS remakes, you have to do so using logic and evidence. That's exactly what the 6th gen supporters have been doing but you keep ignoring it and call it "attacking". Sorry, but there's nothing wrong with logical debate on this forum.

Using logic to attack us. Yeah. That's using logic. Don't act you know it all Bolt The Cat. No reasons for RS remakes? PLEASE. They're so many. But like I said. It's just speculation. And of course, you're still bashing people like you, Mitja, and Teal know it ALLLLL. You're speculating like all of us. Stop acting like you know something we don't.
 
Flygon2071 said:
No one is bashing the idea for RSE remakes just that, for them, it is improbable.

Okay Flygon. I guess you haven't seen all the bashing of other peoples ideas they've been doing. Should I start naming examples?
 
I actually think you're bashing NachoMan and others.
I've been reading everything and those guys like Mitja,
just have well stated arguments. It seems like you're
just getting upset because theirs beats yours. Just sayin.
Now stop everyone.

Off-opic TO MITJA: Are you Slovene maybe? XD
 
Blui129 said:
Ex-Magma and Aqua grunts is a piece-o'-crap argument. There are references to both Rocket, and even more so Galactic. I say that DP remakes are even more likely than RS remakes at this point. Gen 6 is most likely though, why would there be so much publicity just for a simple remake, and when Masuda himself said that they want to evolve the franchise. Making remakes /=/ evolution.
@NachoMan, Teal and Mitja are just really good at making arguments. Saying that they are arrogant for making an argument makes you look horrible. Just sayin'

THIS one Flygon.


Bashing.


Mitja said:
The Pikachu Mafia said:
Well given that you just made a lengthy post about how I and everyone else who believes in RS remakes is dead wrong no matter what and you're right because of a couple easily countered arguments, I'd say your opinion is quite biased indeed.

The Pikachu Mafia said:
Yes and I don't care if we get the 6th gen, what does this have to do with anything again?

You say my comments are biased, thats what it has to do with it.

They can release RBY for all I care, its just not what gamefreak would do with this situation.

The Pikachu Mafia said:
If our evidence isn't solid (which it isn't) then I hate to think what your evidence is like (certainly it isn't solid either.) so by your logic you should still be open to RS remakes as a possibility since neither side has "solid evidence." But you aren't, I wonder why :p

I have seen no evidence for remakes.
The closest anyone has got was with
-because gamefreak follows a pattern
-because of the aqua/magma guys
which is nonsense and an unimportant reference.

The Pikachu Mafia said:
Okay you were able to predict HGSS successfully, so what? Again that has nothing to do with anything.

You say my posts are biased, then I explain that I have no reason for that, and your respond by wondering what my point is, twice.

The Pikachu Mafia said:
Okay so let me get this straight, you see a red gyarados on TV and that means we get HGSS guaranteed. Then They promote the Mascots of R/S/E and you can find ex Aqua/Magma members in BW2, but that somehow means the 6th gen? Wait a minute, something doesn't add up here...

No.
The red gyarados was a noteworthy and important reference, the ex-villains are a joke at most about how things have changed in 2 years which casual players will never even see.
I never claimed that either even remotely guaranteed anything.

The Pikachu Mafia said:
Why would they keep a pokemon secret like that when everyone already knew about it anyways? They tried and failed to do that with Arceus. Also if you can use the Hoenn Legends argument against us, then do it.

I'm just gonna ignore the first part, but I DID the second part, am not gonna repeat it another dozen times because it is as moot as the original.

The Pikachu Mafia said:
People aren't predicting, they're wanting, which is a different thing entirely. If the majority of the population WANTS RS remakes, then why would Game Freak do something else, it's not smart. I've even talked to people who said they would simply not buy the 6th gen if it came out this fall.


"Might" isn't a risk you take in business, that's just a fact and even you should know that.

Again I'm not saying it's impossible that the 6th gen wont happen, I'm not even saying that it would be disappointing, I'm simply stating that you shouldn't go around bashing people who don't believe in the 6th gen when your arguments are just as good as ours.

You're not more of an expert on gamefreaks business than any one else here. I was trying to tell you that we are all just guessing on that part except for when it gets down to analyzing sales numbers of past games.


About the short comments, frankly Im tired of posting the same arguments on every single one of these threads, just for them to be ignored and everyone to move onto the new one to repeat the same crap all over again.

Parts in THIS. Bashing.


Mitja said:
SoulSilver said:
I just really think its too early for Gen 6.

Did you consider that the games would come out late 2013 at most?
That will be pretty much close to average, especially when gen V was doomed from the beginning to never get the chance to be dragged out a bit with remake-stuff.
I mean, when they decided to continue on DS instead of waiting on 3DS for BW, they were obviously fully aware the generation would be shorter and so planned it as such.

Its still gonna be the gen to take the longest to come out after its handheld.

SoulSilver said:
You really think there's been 0 hints to R/S remakes?

Yes. There is nothing that stands out from the casual references that we always get as the games take place in the same fictional universe.

SoulSilver said:
For example; some of Hoenn's music can be found in the Generation V games (Lillycove and Rustboro specifically). Why include R/S music out of all the games they have to pick from? Why not Kanto? That's where Pokemon began so its music would make more of an impact, would it not? We all know the beeps and bloops from Lavender Town, yet they weren't thinking of anything about Kanto, Johto, or even Sinnoh. Nope, they gave us music from Hoenn.

Johto music could be found in RSE, so what. And those didn't even get used for Sevii islands in FRLG or anything, so this has never been anywhere close to an argument.

SoulSilver said:
Not to mention all the focus that the weather trio has been receiving as of late. The Dream World houses had received Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza plush dolls recently and its kind of curious why GameFreak would promote those 3 if they weren't going to be a focal point of Pokemon soon.

There was a 10 year anniversary of RS game release in Japan. They always do at least some event. Besides if they planned anything related to Hoenn anytime soon, THAT would have been the best occasion to announce developement.

They released a special Mewtwo last year for no serious reason, and obviously no one started suggesting anything about game developement.

In fact the legendaries being given out as events would be the thing they would avoid doing if they were going to be the mascots of upcoming games. Just look back at pre-HGSS times. They treated Ho-oh and Lugia like they never existed so it was a bigger impact when the remakes got revealed.

SoulSilver said:
There's also the fact that some Hoenn legendaries have been in B2/W2. You may say that nullifies the possibility of Ruby and Sapphire remakes but recall Platinum, it had the Kanto birds yet those birds still found their way into HeartGold and SoulSilver merely a year later. So no, Hoenn legendaries being in Black 2 and White 2 does not signify that Hoenn won't be remade, in fact its quite the opposite.

You're making a strawman here.
Because the casual legends (580/600TBS) are known to be thrown around into random postgames with no careful plan, but rather for the "extra legendary" effect when they aren't native already.

We could however discuss the actual mascots (~680), and about which of them haven't been available for the longest time for example. Although that doesn't help your point.

SoulSilver said:
Also remember at the end of the Hoenn series for the anime May said she was traveling to Johto to compete in Pokemon Contests there. Sure, it was a few years later, but we got Johto remakes. Now remember where Dawn said she was going to? Hoenn. Why not follow in May's footsteps whom she became friends with and go to Johto herself? Why Hoenn? Possibly because this is a hint that Hoenn will be important to fans. Maybe not in the anime (we didn't see May in Johto), but for the games. You'd be silly to think that the Anime writing staff doesn't receive tidbits from GameFreak so they know what to do with the anime.

I'm not even sure they knew about gamefreak developing GS remakes when they made May travel to Johto. She just went there.
They just didn't have that many choices did they. Shes just been in Hoenn, the group went to Kanto, so they had the choice between saying she went to some "distant land" or to Johto. Therefore GS remakes??
Then Dawn went to Hoenn. Years ago.
This is not a hint at future games, its called referencing stuff thats known to exist in the same fictional universe.

I knew GS remakes would come. But not because of whatever the Anime did.
Rather because there were SOLID reasons to believe that.

SoulSilver said:
All in all, so much attention has been panned over to Hoenn lately and I doubt its a mere coincidence. There's got to be a reason for it. I know everyone and their grandmas will say you can do Gen IV -> Gen V transfers to get all the Pokemon, but that's only how fans think. That is not how a business thinks. I haven't taken any business classes and I know this. Its common sense, businesses will only promote what makes them money.

And you know RS remakes at this point would be better profit for gamefreak than "insert anything else" based on what?
I can just as well argue gen VI would sell better, until either of us makes surveys in japan or something.
But that aside, you're ignoring that the "RSE-nostalgia cash-cow" is not gonna go away if they don't milk it this instant. For all we know, the demand will be even higher after gen VI, especially if they start throwing around ACTUAL hints IN gen VI games and marketing.

Some bashing in THIS.
 
This goes like this:

RSE remakes have some support
but the 6th Gen has more...
You get your ideas (which are legit)
but someone else gets a flaw on it
or has better coverage for 6th Gen.

Well maybe this:

Teal said:
Even B3W3 is more likely than R/S remakes!
And sometime Mitja passes the line but most are just stating a point (like Bolt's and Blui's)
 
HeatRotomFTW97 said:
SoulSilver said:
Or it could be remakes. :3 We don't know either way.

You keep dogmatically preaching that we are getting remakes. Aside from saying that it is "too early" for a Gen VI game (that is false, see the time between early Generations for proof), what is your evidence that 2013 will bring us remakes? So far, you've given nothing but your opinion. I'd like to see what you based that opinion on. Clearly, with a username like yours, you are a fan of remake games. I am too. But, given Nintendo's current hardware situation, I don't see a remake coming. Prove me otherwise. I'd love to finally experience the nostalgia of playing my first Pokemon game (Ruby) on new technology (the Nintendo 3DS). But I fear that I have a year or more wait ahead of me.

Obviously none of us know what the actual announcement will be, but at least many others and I have provided concrete evidence that points to a Generation VI.

Even THIS. Has bashing.


Flygon2071 said:
This goes like this:

RSE remakes have some support
but the 6th Gen has more...
You get your ideas (which are legit)
but someone else gets a flaw on it
or has better coverage for 6th Gen.

Well maybe this:

Teal said:
Even B3W3 is more likely than R/S remakes!
And sometime Mitja passes the line but most are just stating a point (like Bolt's and Blui's)
That was just Teal being arrogant. That was definitely bashing behind that. And I didn't see anything funny about it.
 
Poison evolution for Eevee. In addition, poison now becomes super-effective against water-type and dragon-type. Poison desperately needs a boost. The second evolution should be steel. I hope the manage to make the design of a steel-type Eevee flow well and not look like a walking heap of trash.

EDIT: A legendary in the game should also be a giant poison-type hydra-cobra with an ability that damages the opponent each turn if they aren't poison-type or steel-type.
 
NachoMan said:
HeatRotomFTW97 said:
You keep dogmatically preaching that we are getting remakes. Aside from saying that it is "too early" for a Gen VI game (that is false, see the time between early Generations for proof), what is your evidence that 2013 will bring us remakes? So far, you've given nothing but your opinion. I'd like to see what you based that opinion on. Clearly, with a username like yours, you are a fan of remake games. I am too. But, given Nintendo's current hardware situation, I don't see a remake coming. Prove me otherwise. I'd love to finally experience the nostalgia of playing my first Pokemon game (Ruby) on new technology (the Nintendo 3DS). But I fear that I have a year or more wait ahead of me.

Obviously none of us know what the actual announcement will be, but at least many others and I have provided concrete evidence that points to a Generation VI.

Even THIS. Has bashing.

You have a very loose definition of bashing if you think that's bashing. No one's attacking anyone in that example. At any rate, you still haven't given me one good reason why RS remakes are coming next.
 
When did I say that was funny? I said that was Teal being arrogant. For the other quote. It may be in some posts ( he also didn't make clear why was he saying that it would be Gen 6). I say that argument about the bashing and the bashing should be left alone. Just forget what happened because that brings bad moods.
 
Flygon2071 said:
This goes like this:

RSE remakes have some support
but the 6th Gen has more...
You get your ideas (which are legit)
but someone else gets a flaw on it
or has better coverage for 6th Gen.

Well maybe this:

Teal said:
Even B3W3 is more likely than R/S remakes!
And sometime Mitja passes the line but most are just stating a point (like Bolt's and Blui's)
No, I wasn't bashing. B3W3 are more likely because they could easily shift the perspective to a lower one (it can even be done on HGSS with codes) and sell it all again as a 3(D) version on the 3DS. They would only need to remake the overworld sprites and just use Pokédex 3D stuff on the battle screens. Why is it more likely than RS? Because there is less to do + ORIGINAL DRAGON STORY DUN DUN. Will it happen? No. Will RS happen? No.

Bashing bashing bashing blah blah. YOU are bashing me for saying that I am bashing you while I am not. -.-
 
Give me one good reason why RS is happening now.
Also I said B3W3 is NOT happening. -.-
 
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