(1) 'Pokemon Peer' Scans and Information [9/9]
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I'm looking forward to seeing Shikijika's evolution, and I like how Victini's ears flare up...but wow, I thought I couldn't like Musharna any less. That thing is ugly.
Also, I'm laughing at the people complaining about how they don't like that it's based off of NYC because "America gets everything" or "It's cheesy." I mean, at least try to come up with better reasons than those since neither of those make any sense -_-
Also, I'm laughing at the people complaining about how they don't like that it's based off of NYC because "America gets everything" or "It's cheesy." I mean, at least try to come up with better reasons than those since neither of those make any sense -_-
They didn't show any signs of charmeleon gaining wings? And really, otter to bigger otter to sea lion isn't that far-fetched in pokemon. Also, maybe it just have characteristics of a samurai?
i agree reppasu.
Hm, true.
But, I don't really see the relation in its paws becoming flippers.
It doesn't really look like a samurai, especially since it's on all-fours. How is it going to wield a katana like that?
Plus, the shells are completely different from Miju's. Don't tell me it's not going to keep its signature move?
Edit: I noticed we're getting off-topic here, so my apologies.
But, I don't really see the relation in its paws becoming flippers.
It doesn't really look like a samurai, especially since it's on all-fours. How is it going to wield a katana like that?
Plus, the shells are completely different from Miju's. Don't tell me it's not going to keep its signature move?
Edit: I noticed we're getting off-topic here, so my apologies.
Yeah, exactly reppasu. They could easily just make the shell more katana-like but still keep the same basic design. Like use the existing shell as a "hilt" with the middle part coming up as a katana blade.
And yeah, they should have given some signs of it becoming quadrupedal in the second stage. About the Charmeleon gaining wings comment, Charmeleon looked draconic already, and Charizard gaining wings was not such a drastic change as the 2 Miju forms to that.
@scuba steve I know it looks like a sea lion, but looking like a samurai is debatable. I'll admit that using one's imagination, the leg shells are somewhat like samurai armor. But overall certainly dosen't scream "SAMURAI" the way a consistent bipedal version could look like. You really have to think about it about and look for it.
Also, aside from the inconsistency of the design itself, someone made this pic detailing all the design flaws:
Also, @Pokemontage. Sorry, but IS cheesy, especially with stuff like football player trainers. The only reason they are doing it is because America is hugely popular in Japan. America does not have any interesting mythology or folklore compared to Japan, China, Africa, European countries, South America, Australia, or...anywhere else really.
I mean, they can draw from Native American designs and mythology, which is awesome, but so far the only example of this is Wooguru.
It's also dissapointing because now I fear that Desukan will be given to you in a museum or something -.-
And yeah, they should have given some signs of it becoming quadrupedal in the second stage. About the Charmeleon gaining wings comment, Charmeleon looked draconic already, and Charizard gaining wings was not such a drastic change as the 2 Miju forms to that.
@scuba steve I know it looks like a sea lion, but looking like a samurai is debatable. I'll admit that using one's imagination, the leg shells are somewhat like samurai armor. But overall certainly dosen't scream "SAMURAI" the way a consistent bipedal version could look like. You really have to think about it about and look for it.
Also, aside from the inconsistency of the design itself, someone made this pic detailing all the design flaws:
Also, @Pokemontage. Sorry, but IS cheesy, especially with stuff like football player trainers. The only reason they are doing it is because America is hugely popular in Japan. America does not have any interesting mythology or folklore compared to Japan, China, Africa, European countries, South America, Australia, or...anywhere else really.
I mean, they can draw from Native American designs and mythology, which is awesome, but so far the only example of this is Wooguru.
It's also dissapointing because now I fear that Desukan will be given to you in a museum or something -.-
Uh ok. >_> I mean making a sea lion with paws would be kind of stupid.
Well I read that interview again and I think that Ken was trying to base Mijumaru off a samurai, not it's evolutions. And that they were just basing the starters off of western, chinese, and japanese. Go read it again.
Edit: @Tarazuma: WPM has said that those "errors" could of happen through scanning. So really to me, those don't prove anything.
Well I read that interview again and I think that Ken was trying to base Mijumaru off a samurai, not it's evolutions. And that they were just basing the starters off of western, chinese, and japanese. Go read it again.
Edit: @Tarazuma: WPM has said that those "errors" could of happen through scanning. So really to me, those don't prove anything.
Stuff like Darumakka/Hihidaruma (based off the Japanese Daruma) and Munna/Musharna (based off Baku, the dream eating tapirs) would say otherwise, reppasu. There are most likely other Pokemon rooted in mythology in this gen too, there usually is.
@scuba steve he actually says Mijumaru AND his evolutions. Also, Tsutaja's evo is in no way a "western" design (American or Native American), and I fail to see how Pokabu's evos are in a Chinese style. If anything, the Tsutaja evo looks to be in the Chinese style, with Pokabu in a western style.
@scuba steve he actually says Mijumaru AND his evolutions. Also, Tsutaja's evo is in no way a "western" design (American or Native American), and I fail to see how Pokabu's evos are in a Chinese style. If anything, the Tsutaja evo looks to be in the Chinese style, with Pokabu in a western style.
First of all, describing it as "cheesy" makes no sense whatsoever. Nothing about B/W being based off NYC makes it tacky, gaudy, distasteful etc...because that's what "cheesy" means.
Second of all, there is nothing stopping B/W from containing Pokemon that are based on mythology from Japan or any other part of the world. Just because the region is based on America doesn't mean it will not have any Pokemon based on real life myths, cultures, traditions etc.
Example - the sarcophagus Pokemon, which obviously has it's roots in Egypt.
Example - Munna, who is based off of a Japanese incense burner and the Baku, a Japanese mythical creature.
And, as you said, Native Americans have a lot of mythology.
You also mentioned Australia, but I fail to see what makes that country any more mythological than the USA. They have aborigines who were the only inhabitants of the continent until Britain came along, just like the USA.
Third of all, what exactly is so bad about having a football playing trainer? We have Cyclists, Swimmers, Hikers, Rock Stars, Jugglers, Fire Breathers etc, so I really don't see why you would think a Quarterback is a bad idea.
Really, there is no reason to dislike it being based out of America unless you despise America for some irrational reason. America obviously has one of the largest Pokemon fanbases, and the whole premise of these games is that it takes place far away so that you can "start over." It makes perfect sense.
@Tatazuma: Gotcha 
Not once in that interview it said that. Oh now you're saying Ken is lying about tsutaja's about being based on western design? I mean I think he knows what he based his pokemon off of.
Not once in that interview it said that. Oh now you're saying Ken is lying about tsutaja's about being based on western design? I mean I think he knows what he based his pokemon off of.If they are changing countries, I want gen 6's region to be based on Iberian Peninsula...
and for the one who's talking about Charizard's line, just compare the whole line and tell me if they don't look similar from Charmander to Charizard. Starter Pokémon must be like this... There may be pokémon that evolve into others that don't make sense (remoraid to octillery), but the starters usually look very similar throughout the whole line. I don't see that in these supposed Mijumaru evos...
and for the one who's talking about Charizard's line, just compare the whole line and tell me if they don't look similar from Charmander to Charizard. Starter Pokémon must be like this... There may be pokémon that evolve into others that don't make sense (remoraid to octillery), but the starters usually look very similar throughout the whole line. I don't see that in these supposed Mijumaru evos...
@metalizard: We were talking about how charmeleon gained wings through evolution. Someone made a statement that mijumaru becoming quadrupedal is a unrealistic change through evolution. I used charizard's line as an example of a more drastic change. Read this and you know what we'll talking about: http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Pia_information_begins_to_surface
Y'all can go ahead with the samurai debate, but when Ken Sugimori said mijumaru's final evolution is based off a sea lion and the artwork we of it looks like a sea lion, gives me enough proof that these starter evolutions are real. So yeah I'm done here.
Y'all can go ahead with the samurai debate, but when Ken Sugimori said mijumaru's final evolution is based off a sea lion and the artwork we of it looks like a sea lion, gives me enough proof that these starter evolutions are real. So yeah I'm done here.
@Pokemontage: A football player is horribly cheesy design for a trainer. It really is. The rock stars were also very cheesy as well. There may have been some other bad ones I can't remember offhand, but the rock stars and football players have to be the worst.
@scuba steve I'm going to quote the interview right here:
And yeah, I'm gonna say it right now. If these evo's are real, and Sugimori thinks that Tsutaja's evo is a "western" design, then he has gone off the deep end and and dosen't know what the heck he is talking about. HOW IS IT A WESTERN DESIGN?! Anyone with eyes in their head can clearly see the resemblance to a CHINESE dragon.
Wheras Pokabu loooks in no way like a Chinese design, but definately looks like a western inspired creature, especially with it's dumpy "American body builder" second evo, and it's 3rd evo looks like a combination of Ganon, and a mythological European pig demon called the Cutty Black Sow.
However, there is a possible explanation for this. The translator, or perhaps the magazine itself, or even Sugimori himseld, could have simply just mixed up Pokabu and Tsutaja.
Also, Charmeleon gainiing wings IS NOT A DRASTIC CHANGE! It keeps the same basic form (bipedal, claws, flame tail) and gains wings because it's based off a dragon, and Charmeleon already looked slightly draconic to begin with! A DRASTIC change would be Remoraid to Octillery and Dragonaire to Dragonite, both of which I still think are ridiculous.
@scuba steve I'm going to quote the interview right here:
And yeah, I'm gonna say it right now. If these evo's are real, and Sugimori thinks that Tsutaja's evo is a "western" design, then he has gone off the deep end and and dosen't know what the heck he is talking about. HOW IS IT A WESTERN DESIGN?! Anyone with eyes in their head can clearly see the resemblance to a CHINESE dragon.
Wheras Pokabu loooks in no way like a Chinese design, but definately looks like a western inspired creature, especially with it's dumpy "American body builder" second evo, and it's 3rd evo looks like a combination of Ganon, and a mythological European pig demon called the Cutty Black Sow.
However, there is a possible explanation for this. The translator, or perhaps the magazine itself, or even Sugimori himseld, could have simply just mixed up Pokabu and Tsutaja.
Also, Charmeleon gainiing wings IS NOT A DRASTIC CHANGE! It keeps the same basic form (bipedal, claws, flame tail) and gains wings because it's based off a dragon, and Charmeleon already looked slightly draconic to begin with! A DRASTIC change would be Remoraid to Octillery and Dragonaire to Dragonite, both of which I still think are ridiculous.
I'm still incredibly skeptical about those evolutions. I really don't see how that final Mijumaru form could possibly wield a Katana. The shell on its head doesn't resemble a Katana at all, let alone any type of of sword, and it doesn't seem like it would be able to use it regardless since it's body design clearly does not support it standing on it's hind legs which is required to use the sword.
Sorry, not convinced one bit.
And if they are real, then that was either a horrid description of the final form of Mijumaru or it's just a design that requires you to stretch your imagination to great lengths in order to even get the concept.
Why is a Quarterback more cheesy than a Cyclist, Runner, Hiker, or Swimmer? They're all forms of physical activities, and none of them has anything to do with Pokemon (in fact, the only trainers that have anything to do with pokemon directly are the Pokefans and the Pokenerds and the Pokemaniacs). Trainer classes are just there to represent different types of people doing interesting things so that you don't get bored facing the same people with the same Pokemon. Not sure what makes you dislike that idea.
Sorry, not convinced one bit.
And if they are real, then that was either a horrid description of the final form of Mijumaru or it's just a design that requires you to stretch your imagination to great lengths in order to even get the concept.
Why is a Quarterback more cheesy than a Cyclist, Runner, Hiker, or Swimmer? They're all forms of physical activities, and none of them has anything to do with Pokemon (in fact, the only trainers that have anything to do with pokemon directly are the Pokefans and the Pokenerds and the Pokemaniacs). Trainer classes are just there to represent different types of people doing interesting things so that you don't get bored facing the same people with the same Pokemon. Not sure what makes you dislike that idea.
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