(1) Rumor: New Pokemon Greninja, Hawlucha, and Binacle Revealed? [9/29]

[Axell Starr]

Found on /vp what do you guys make of this?

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I'm going to say that looks pretty legitimate. Do you think it's a chimeco evolution, or just a wind-chime like pokemon?

Also, what's with the little note saying look at the upper screen???Is that normal???

Also, the picture looks like it's taken directly over the 4chan site it posted on...If it's a photoshop and fake, it's still a really good one...

things...seem off with it. It looks too metallic, and the "look at the upper screen" seems odd. Kinda makes it fishy. It's cute, I'll give it that. I watched gameplay of the demo, it might have shown the bottom screen. Don't quite remember.

 

[spiralofvertigo]

I'm following the thread, but the Original Poster isn't being very forth coming anymore... which is kind of strange. They say they are not "far enough into the game" to show a screen shot of the stat screen. That makes it sound fake. Like I said, to me what proves it's legitmacy is that the first photo shown in that spoiler tag is literally taken over the thread the OP posted on. So he/she is responding to the demands for another pick immedately and uploading it... I guess you could have had the image done previously and added the images overtop, but that was still done reasonibly fast, and the angles of the DS screens look okay...

Not sure what to call it. Apparently 4chan is a bad place for leaks because it's almost never true, but I have no previous experience.

Yea that's what I was wondering; about the OP being so quiet now. Maybe they are just messing with us; posting legit info and watching everyone freak out in silence, but who knows really?
We'll see! I really like the design of this Pokemon so I hope it's real but oh well; we'll know in two weeks.

 

[D Dog master of war]

I'm following the thread, but the Original Poster isn't being very forth coming anymore... which is kind of strange. They say they are not "far enough into the game" to show a screen shot of the stat screen. That makes it sound fake. Like I said, to me what proves it's legitmacy is that the first photo shown in that spoiler tag is literally taken over the thread the OP posted on. So he/she is responding to the demands for another pick immedately and uploading it... I guess you could have had the image done previously and added the images overtop, but that was still done reasonibly fast, and the angles of the DS screens look okay...

Not sure what to call it. Apparently 4chan is a bad place for leaks because it's almost never true, but I have no previous experience.

Yea that's what I was wondering; about the OP being so quiet now. Maybe they are just messing with us; posting legit info and watching everyone freak out in silence, but who knows really?
We'll see! I really like the design of this Pokemon so I hope it's real but oh well; we'll know in two weeks.

I find Greninja and all those leaks fake. And it is one week till the game are released cuz its release on October 12th.

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I'm following the thread, but the Original Poster isn't being very forth coming anymore... which is kind of strange. They say they are not "far enough into the game" to show a screen shot of the stat screen. That makes it sound fake. Like I said, to me what proves it's legitmacy is that the first photo shown in that spoiler tag is literally taken over the thread the OP posted on. So he/she is responding to the demands for another pick immedately and uploading it... I guess you could have had the image done previously and added the images overtop, but that was still done reasonibly fast, and the angles of the DS screens look okay...

Not sure what to call it. Apparently 4chan is a bad place for leaks because it's almost never true, but I have no previous experience.

I do like how they say "They are not far in the game" then show us Greninja and Hackluach at lv.60 something LOL! Complete liers. And 4Chan is a lie.

 

[spiralofvertigo]

Yea that's what I was wondering; about the OP being so quiet now. Maybe they are just messing with us; posting legit info and watching everyone freak out in silence, but who knows really?
We'll see! I really like the design of this Pokemon so I hope it's real but oh well; we'll know in two weeks.

I find Greninja and all those leaks fake. And it is one week till the game are released cuz its release on October 12th.

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I'm following the thread, but the Original Poster isn't being very forth coming anymore... which is kind of strange. They say they are not "far enough into the game" to show a screen shot of the stat screen. That makes it sound fake. Like I said, to me what proves it's legitmacy is that the first photo shown in that spoiler tag is literally taken over the thread the OP posted on. So he/she is responding to the demands for another pick immedately and uploading it... I guess you could have had the image done previously and added the images overtop, but that was still done reasonibly fast, and the angles of the DS screens look okay...

Not sure what to call it. Apparently 4chan is a bad place for leaks because it's almost never true, but I have no previous experience.

I do like how they say "They are not far in the game" then show us Greninja and Hackluach at lv.60 something LOL! Complete liers. And 4Chan is a lie.

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This isn't the same person that leaked Greninja and Hawlucha though this is a completely different person.
So who knows?

Also it's over a week closer to two weeks but either way haha 12 days.

 

[Aerodactyl]

I'm following the thread, but the Original Poster isn't being very forth coming anymore... which is kind of strange. They say they are not "far enough into the game" to show a screen shot of the stat screen. That makes it sound fake. Like I said, to me what proves it's legitmacy is that the first photo shown in that spoiler tag is literally taken over the thread the OP posted on. So he/she is responding to the demands for another pick immedately and uploading it... I guess you could have had the image done previously and added the images overtop, but that was still done reasonibly fast, and the angles of the DS screens look okay...

Not sure what to call it. Apparently 4chan is a bad place for leaks because it's almost never true, but I have no previous experience.

Yea that's what I was wondering; about the OP being so quiet now. Maybe they are just messing with us; posting legit info and watching everyone freak out in silence, but who knows really?
We'll see! I really like the design of this Pokemon so I hope it's real but oh well; we'll know in two weeks.

Well, there will be another five pages of speculation on it, debating if it's real or fake, which will be a good time waster to help us pass those two weeks.It will be a stalemate argument...

If I had to guess type (under the assumption that it's real) I think it's psychic, and maybe even a chimeco evolution! If it's not a chimecho evolution, I'm going to guess that it's another fairy friend, maybe even fairy/steel. It probably has levitate, to capitilize on the sky battles.

One thing I'm wondering about the background... you can see those desert pod's or whatever. I don't think we've seen those before, but that's not saying they couldn't have been done by the artist either, right?

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Another image has been posted, but it's of froakie... I don't know how to do the spoiler tags so I can't post it. I'm going to compare it to other froakie stat pages on the official site...

(Also, is starting to vear into the "off topic" category, and should we move this conversation to the rumors and speculation thread?)

 

[98Greener]

Another image has been posted, but it's of froakie... I don't know how to do the spoiler tags so I can't post it. I'm going to compare it to other froakie stat pages on the official site...

(Also, is starting to vear into the "off topic" category, and should we move this conversation to the rumors and speculation thread?)

If you want to spoiler something, just put '[ spoiler ]' at the beginning of your text and then put '[ /spoiler ]' at the end of it.

I'd think it would be best to post the froakie pic in Rumors and Speculation. That's what I would think anyway...

 

[WitherSnow]

Oh, and just as a matter of opinion, I don't like how Binacle looks, but I don't think he's poorly designed. It think it's actually really fresh and original... wouldn't have him on my team because he's a little ugly to me... but good concept. Plus, he looks like he could evolve into something cool (even if it's something similar with an extra head or two).

I think pokemon like Binacle are what makes the game exciting, and make me appreciate the Pokemon I like the design of even more. If they only put in pokemon I liked the look of, their would be like 200 dog pokemon, 30 dinosaurs and the rest would just be cute fuzzy things. Once I've played through Kalos and collected my favourites, I know I'll start wanting to look and train some "different" pokemon, So I'm certain I'd train one of those little guys eventually and even enjoy it It would definitely grow on me (even if it's ugly).

Besides, if even one person likes a Pokemon like Binacle, I find it really hard for me to say "They shouldn't have made it" or "it's not original". Definitely don't like it, won't have it on my team, but at least some people are enjoying it and are excited about it (though I do also appreciate those of you who don't like how it looks).

I personally think it might be real, just because it's such a crazy looking Pokemon, I can't imagine someone designing it as a fake. It's really out there, I don't think I've ever seen any fakemons based on barncles.

Same. I will get my favs for my team and after im done im gonna train every Kalos poke.

Found on /vp what do you guys make of this?

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That looks awesme. Maybe Fairy/Steel or maybe even a new type!


What would be the chances of all the pokemon being revieled on the fourth?

 

[spiralofvertigo]

Just so you guys know; the neat looking wind chime pokemon was confirmed fake. The poster admitted and posted his sources including the original illustration of the fakemon that he drew up.

Very disheartening I really liked that critter.

 

[WitherSnow]

Same.
But thank god for these leaks. Could you imagine what we would do without these leaks?
I think the wait has turned me into a great soft jelly thing just waiting.

 

[Aerodactyl]

Same.
But thank god for these leaks. Could you imagine what we would do without these leaks?
I think the wait has turned me into a great soft jelly thing just waiting.

I hate to admit it... but I love speculating over leaks. Because it kills time, shortens the wait.not that I have tons of homework I should be doing instead or anything...shhh

Plus, some of the fakemon and fake designs people come up with are really cool. It sucks getting my hopes up on a fakemon I really like, but by the time the game comes around I'll forget about it and focus on important things. Like trimming my Furfrou's fur.

And... back on topic. Does anyone besides me think that the most fake thing about Hawlucha is just his name? It just doesn't quite roll of the tongue like other pokemon names, otherwise the pictures look pretty legit. I don't think anyone's noticed anything fake looking about the pics yet, have they?

 

[spiralofvertigo]

I don't think Hawlucha's name seems too fake; to be honest if someone came up to me and said there would be a new pokemon named Talonflame I would just..laugh at them but that name is real so who knows!

 

[WitherSnow]

Same.
But thank god for these leaks. Could you imagine what we would do without these leaks?
I think the wait has turned me into a great soft jelly thing just waiting.

I hate to admit it... but I love speculating over leaks. Because it kills time, shortens the wait.not that I have tons of homework I should be doing instead or anything...shhh

Plus, some of the fakemon and fake designs people come up with are really cool. It sucks getting my hopes up on a fakemon I really like, but by the time the game comes around I'll forget about it and focus on important things. Like trimming my Furfrou's fur.

And... back on topic. Does anyone besides me think that the most fake thing about Hawlucha is just his name? It just doesn't quite roll of the tongue like other pokemon names, otherwise the pictures look pretty legit. I don't think anyone's noticed anything fake looking about the pics yet, have they?

I can see where you would see that. It's not my favorite so far but i think it's real.

 

[Rangermon]

I'm surprised people even thought the new image was real. It was clearly drawn because the shading was really off and the shadow didn't bend to the grass texture, which would happen with it being 3-D and all. If that grass texture was flat on the ground, it would have made sense but it was all off.

 

[Sharkly]

Personally i would have thought Hawlucha's name would be the other way around, Luchawk. Simply because it combines Lucha and Hawk in to one word.

 

[SynxS1N]

Personally i would have thought Hawlucha's name would be the other way around, Luchawk. Simply because it combines Lucha and Hawk in to one word.

Way better suggestion for the name. Although I'm still not into this pokemon. It looks like it would have a hard time walking and flyng. Like a ManBird experiment gone wrong. I love the idea of a fighting/flying I'm just hoping we get something a bit cooler.

 

[RedGamer3]

So after reading most of this forum I think I will play devil's advocate and voice my view on some of the arguments made.

First, I think a lot of people on both sides of the real/fake divide will agree that the design is not bad, but in the context of Froakie is where the larger divide is. I personally can see Greninja as a Pokemon but not in the Froakie line.

As far as the legitimacy of the leaks is concerned, I am inclined to believe the previous leaks that WPM was inclined to put because of supporting evidence. With the fact that two 'different' leakers posting the same Pokemon as proof of legitimacy, but really we don't know that it is two people. It could be one person with two accounts, or the photos faked by one person and he/she gave a friend some to leak so it looked like two people leaked the same Pokemon.

Now something that bothers me and was hit upon earlier but kinda died is the move extrasensory. While I am not arguing about move diversity, it still seems out of place on what is most likely a water/fighting type. While an offensive psy. move makes sense on other supernatural types like dark and ghost, it makes no sense on a fighting type. Yes, I realize that Polywrath learns hypnosis, but that is different it works with the hypnotic spiral on the belly. I just see no reason for this move.

Finally, the Samurott argument has been made but Samurott retains the dark blue and the shells. Greninja however, lightens up its previously darker blue, looses the trademark bubble scarf and the white dots on the nose, and the face becomes drastically angular. Also it has been said that the bubble scarf thinned in the evolution of Froakie, but it is a different scale, Frogadier's may look similar and still have more than Froakie.

 

[HikaruAyame]

@The people last page talking about reviewers and getting confirmation of Greninja being fake:

That's not usually how NDA works. Unless they've got a nonstandard version of it, they won't be able to talk about the starters AT ALL. Not about the real ones. Not about any fakes. Nothing. Because otherwise someone could go, "Hey, is Froakie's evo water/Flying?" "Nope" "How about Water/Steel?" "Nope" "How about Water/Dark?" "I'm under NDA, I can't say anything." Kinda obvious, ya know?

 

[AadmM]

Color argument doesn't apply against Greninja. The proof? Look at Torterra!

 

[Sharkly]

I'm the other way around on the design part, I'm trying to repress my growing love for the little dude just in case it turns out to be a fake. On first glance it didn't know what to make of it (probably dude to the blurriness of the initial image) but as i looked at it more and we got a few more better quality images (compared to the first anyway) i started to really really like it.

For me it's such an original and well inspired concept. I am a huge wrestling fan so to have a pokémon based on a variety of wrestling (Lucha) makes me excited, and that is where the Fighting type comes in. Though i am not a huge Lucha fan and i could be slightly wrong on this, but going off of the stuff i have seen (added with a basic knowledge of Mexican history) Hawks, eagles etc are used a lot in wrestler costumes as inspiration (as well as the Aztec's) which creates the Flying type part of this dude... plus Lucha Libre is very fast paced and high flying which adds to the Flying type.
(Probably haven't explained that too well, it seemed to be better in my head lol)

I can see Hawluch (If real) having high Speed, Flying types generally do, but going off of what Hawlucha is based off i can see it being even more so. I could also see it's HP and ATK being higher than it's other stats too.

 

[GDK]

Hawlucha looks a lot like one of the fakemons in the CAP metagame named Tomohawk except it's mexican instead of native american, and it shares the same type.

Also yeah I don't see greninja fit in the fraokie's line.
I mean, why syddenly the longue scarf when GF could have done a scarf with bubbles, it would still look like a ninja. But that won't be the first time GF is weird.