(1) Supposed 'X' and 'Y' Insider Information [5/11]

[Ex-91]

The next time I see the "people can just not read spoilers" argument, I'mma punch a wall. There are plenty of good points that people have brought up (better site revenue, it's probably going to get leaked elsewhere anyway, people are going to keep asking for it); all of which I think are valid, even if I still disagree with that ultimate decision. But it is nigh impossible, if you spend any amount of time on fan sites or even many social media sites, to avoid especially hyped-up information leaks. Just. arrgh no that doesn't work.

True! That never works, if it leaks somewhere, everyone will find out sooner or later. But I really think that people who didn't want things to be spoiled, can choose not to believe what was leaked. After all, it's not true until it's officially revealed.

But, it would be easier for everyone to know if we want the leaks, if we knew at least what kinds of news would be given to us.


Anyway, all the stuf is bound to come out one day. From another leak or from nintendo itself.

 

[Cody Gordon]

The next time I see the "people can just not read spoilers" argument, I'mma punch a wall. There are plenty of good points that people have brought up (better site revenue, it's probably going to get leaked elsewhere anyway, people are going to keep asking for it); all of which I think are valid, even if I still disagree with that ultimate decision. But it is nigh impossible, if you spend any amount of time on fan sites or even many social media sites, to avoid especially hyped-up information leaks. Just. arrgh no that doesn't work.

I understand, unfortunately there is no good answer for those who don't want to know. Your right, it will come out eventually, and the news will be everywhere, and yes it will be unavoidable. But that is something you must come to terms with, either avoid the internet entirely or risk getting spoiled. Please don't punch a wall though, it makes a mess, and it hurts your hand.

 

[evilpacman]

I wouldn't really care if he released small tidbits over time since that's basically what TCPi does already. But the more he leaks, the more discussions are going to get flooded with people asking for all the info.
"You gave us this much; why not all of it? Why are you holding out on us?"
I don't think there is a solution that makes everyone happy; some people want all the info now, and some want to discover it in-game. I'd argue that conceding to the latter group would slightly more justified, since those who don't want to be spoiled can't be un-spoiled, and those who do will find out eventually anyways.

either way i think we've maybe opened a pandora's box

the info always gets out before the game release, now if its a few days from the release or months its the same, so i chose months

It sort of does matter though because if its revealed only a few days before release, its much easier to not see the spoilers. Months ahead of time sort of restricts you from being able to use the forum. And unfortunately, it is life that things will be unfair for others. But its people that are asking for things to be unfair for others that even allows the "thats life" statement to be said.

 

[Nightingirle]

The next time I see the "people can just not read spoilers" argument, I'mma punch a wall. There are plenty of good points that people have brought up (better site revenue, it's probably going to get leaked elsewhere anyway, people are going to keep asking for it); all of which I think are valid, even if I still disagree with that ultimate decision. But it is nigh impossible, if you spend any amount of time on fan sites or even many social media sites, to avoid especially hyped-up information leaks. Just. arrgh no that doesn't work.

Well, I'm pretty sure that if more stuff is revealed here it will be on other sites as well, but I didn't find it hard to avoid big, substantial spoilers(I would still read them somewhere, sometimes but I couldn't know if they were true and read a lot of wrong stuff as well) in the past if I didn't want them(of course I couldn't be on many not so controlled/big/well administrated forums)... I mean on here it obviously wouldn't be allowed to post the stuff in other threads and you'd have to agree to not doing it before reading them or something.
On other sites like reddit there are spoiler tags, I know, not everyone uses them but hey if you don't want anything spoiled you shouldn't be on pokemon reddit anyway,since people there suck at tagging things and 4 chan is full of weird rumors, I don't know why anyone would believe anything from there. You would probably have to stick to this forum here and some other good ones and I see how that could be a problem if you're very active in some other online community. :/
Nevertheless I'm pretty sure that this 'insider' will sooner or later contact other people and then it would probably be everywhere and spoiled for everyone, so wouldn't it be better to do it in a more controlled way?

Thank you evilpacman for telling me
(Also, is there a way to edit my profile/signature? English is not my first language, so sometimes I might sound sort of weird/ rude, that's totally unintentional and I'm sorry if it happens, I'd like to put that in my signature or something)

 

[Frezgle]

I understand, unfortunately there is no good answer for those who don't want to know. Your right, it will come out eventually, and the news will be everywhere, and yes it will be unavoidable. But that is something you must come to terms with, either avoid the internet entirely or risk getting spoiled. Please don't punch a wall though, it makes a mess, and it hurts your hand.

Mm. I'm at terms with that fact (have been since gen 4 was leaking); I just get annoyed when people say that you can just choose not to read them, when in reality, doing that to any effective degree would mean avoiding many sites altogether. I would rather stay on the sites I usually do and take the risk but I would be just a little grumpy about it d:

Again though, small gradual leaks over time would be the best compromise here imo and something that I'd have no real problem with, despite it not being my personal ideal scenario. Is there anyone that honestly thinks having it all at once would be a good idea anyway?... Because that's all I'm worried about.

 

[Cody Gordon]

the info always gets out before the game release, now if its a few days from the release or months its the same, so i chose months

It sort of does matter though because if its revealed only a few days before release, its much easier to not see the spoilers. Months ahead of time sort of restricts you from being able to use the forum. And unfortunately, it is life that things will be unfair for others. But its people that are asking for things to be unfair for others that even allows the "thats life" statement to be said.

I disagree slightly, I don't want WPM to release the spoilers to ruin the fun of everyone else. I don't think anyone is doing it to be mean. I want him to release the news because I genuinely want to know what's coming up for the future. I've never understood why people don't like spoilers anyway. I can reread a book a hundred times and still get excited and filled with a sense of wonderment at the books climax, even though I knew what was going to happen. Is that not the same for everyone else?

 

[felichar]

the info always gets out before the game release, now if its a few days from the release or months its the same, so i chose months

It sort of does matter though because if its revealed only a few days before release, its much easier to not see the spoilers. Months ahead of time sort of restricts you from being able to use the forum. And unfortunately, it is life that things will be unfair for others. But its people that are asking for things to be unfair for others that even allows the "thats life" statement to be said.

one way or another it will leak soon, because the insider said the info to WPM its because it wants it to be leaked and i the WPM doesnt do it, someone else will and it will be pokebeach loss. he has the goose of the golden eggs and if doesnt say what he has is like killing the goose and lose a great oportunity to get the site more popular

 

[Teal]

Is that not the same for everyone else?

Absolutely not.

 

[evilpacman]

Well the site is pretty popular as it is but I dont think that should be his main concern. If the info will be revealed eventually, then there is nothing we can do about it. But until then, I think its most fair to everyone if WPM keeps it to himself. By chance, it wont be released by anyone. I can see where you are coming from though.

 

[felichar]

http://www.serebii.net/xy/46.jpg
http://www.serebii.net/xy/47.jpg
this shows how the region is divided, the coast, central and mountain kalos

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Well the site is pretty popular as it is but I dont think that should be his main concern. If the info will be revealed eventually, then there is nothing we can do about it. But until then, I think its most fair to everyone if WPM keeps it to himself. By chance, it wont be released by anyone. I can see where you are coming from though.

if the insider didnt wont the info to be leaked, it wouldnt have reached to WPM and told him what he knows. if WPM does not leak, the insider will reached another one from another site and tell him the info

 

[Mitja]

LOL
It has colors of the french flag too
gamefreak, we get it!

 

[Ex-91]

Well the site is pretty popular as it is but I dont think that should be his main concern. If the info will be revealed eventually, then there is nothing we can do about it. But until then, I think its most fair to everyone if WPM keeps it to himself. By chance, it wont be released by anyone. I can see where you are coming from though.

I like your point. It's true, some things that happen are fair to some and unfair to others.
But here I have the impression that there is more people who want to know than people who don't.
So if WPM doesn't reveal the leaks, it will be unfair for a majority of the community. (and I thinks it's a pretty big majority)!

 

[Cody Gordon]

Well the site is pretty popular as it is but I dont think that should be his main concern. If the info will be revealed eventually, then there is nothing we can do about it. But until then, I think its most fair to everyone if WPM keeps it to himself. By chance, it wont be released by anyone. I can see where you are coming from though.

I like your point. It's true, some things that happen are fair to some and unfair to others.
But here I have the impression that there is more people who want to know than people who don't.
So if WPM doesn't reveal the leaks, it will be unfair for a majority of the community. (and I thinks it's a pretty big majority)!

I agree, and coupled with the fact that they gave the direct impression that if the source was credible, that they would release all of the information.

 

[evilpacman]

Well the site is pretty popular as it is but I dont think that should be his main concern. If the info will be revealed eventually, then there is nothing we can do about it. But until then, I think its most fair to everyone if WPM keeps it to himself. By chance, it wont be released by anyone. I can see where you are coming from though.

I like your point. It's true, some things that happen are fair to some and unfair to others.
But here I have the impression that there is more people who want to know than people who don't.
So if WPM doesn't reveal the leaks, it will be unfair for a majority of the community. (and I thinks it's a pretty big majority)!

That makes sense to me but I still dont think it would be unfair to anyone if he didnt leak the information. Its a kind gesture of him to reveal anything. Its almost like someone saying they might give you a free ragecandybar and then decide not to do it because some people will not benefit from this. It might seem unfair to the people that might have gotten the free ragecandybar, but they never should have gotten it in the first place. I dont know if an explicit promise was ever made. If it was, that might change a few things I guess.

 

[Frezgle]

I like your point. It's true, some things that happen are fair to some and unfair to others.
But here I have the impression that there is more people who want to know than people who don't.
So if WPM doesn't reveal the leaks, it will be unfair for a majority of the community. (and I thinks it's a pretty big majority)!

TCPi could be called unfair for the same exact reasons. They clearly have all the info, why are they only giving us small amounts once in a while when most of the Pokemon fandom wants it all now?
Sometimes it's not about what's the most fair; sometimes it's about what's the most sensible in the eyes of the one holding the power. In TCPi's case, they likely have specific marketing reasons for the way they do things. WPM obviously wouldn't have their same reasons, but it's up to his discretion if he doesn't think it'd be a good idea.

That makes sense to me but I still dont think it would be unfair to anyone if he didnt leak the information. Its a kind gesture of him to reveal anything. Its almost like someone saying they might give you a free ragecandybar and then decide not to do it because some people will not benefit from this. It might seem unfair to the people that might have gotten the free ragecandybar, but they never should have gotten it in the first place. I dont know if an explicit promise was ever made. If it was, that might change a few things I guess.

Also this. We're all privileged to have been given as much info as we were.

 

[someguy]

First off, I respect WPM's consideration to think this through rationally. If I were in his position I probably wouldn't be so level-headed. But personally I think he should release the information. Maybe not right away. I mean, we just got a flood of new info. Let's wait for that to sink in first. And after a week or so it might be more appropriate to release said information. Maybe he could give us half of it and then the other half in another week or two.

 

[Ex-91]

That makes sense to me but I still dont think it would be unfair to anyone if he didnt leak the information. Its a kind gesture of him to reveal anything. Its almost like someone saying they might give you a free ragecandybar and then decide not to do it because some people will not benefit from this. It might seem unfair to the people that might have gotten the free ragecandybar, but they never should have gotten it in the first place. I dont know if an explicit promise was ever made. If it was, that might change a few things I guess.

Well he did say he was gonna reveal the rest of it if the source turned out to be credible. That source gave us the name of the Pokémons the day before they were revealed. So it has at least some credibility.

Also, I usually agree with you, in real life, about not doing some things for many people that can hurt even a few. But this is Pokémon. It will not waste anyone's life to know what COULD be true. We need to remember that until not revealed, it is not true, it is speculation. It would just spoil some of the surprise. I don't think that the insider knows everything about the games.

And let's face it. We're all having this argument because this time, Japan will have the game along with the rest of us. And every time before that, we always knew everything there was to know before the games came out in our respective countries. And i kinda got use to that

 

[evilpacman]

When I get back from my final exam (stop distracting me from studying guys!), I am going to lay down everything I think needs to be said about this without any opinion bias. I dont know if WPM goes through many of these posts, but maybe he will take our conversations into consideration.

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That makes sense to me but I still dont think it would be unfair to anyone if he didnt leak the information. Its a kind gesture of him to reveal anything. Its almost like someone saying they might give you a free ragecandybar and then decide not to do it because some people will not benefit from this. It might seem unfair to the people that might have gotten the free ragecandybar, but they never should have gotten it in the first place. I dont know if an explicit promise was ever made. If it was, that might change a few things I guess.

Well he did say he was gonna reveal the rest of it if the source turned out to be credible. That source gave us the name of the Pokémons the day before they were revealed. So it has at least some credibility.

Also, I usually agree with you, in real life, about not doing some things for many people that can hurt even a few. But this is Pokémon. It will not waste anyone's life to know what COULD be true. We need to remember that until not revealed, it is not true, it is speculation. It would just spoil some of the surprise. I don't think that the insider knows everything about the games.

And let's face it. We're all having this argument because this time, Japan will have the game along with the rest of us. And every time before that, we always knew everything there was to know before the games came out in our respective countries. And i kinda got use to that

My real concern is that I'm afraid they are going to say Electrode has an evolution before I get a chance to discover that myself :O

lol

 

[Ex-91]

TCPi could be called unfair for the same exact reasons. They clearly have all the info, why are they only giving us small amounts once in a while when most of the Pokemon fandom wants it all now?

Yes but TCPi is a company which has always done that.
Here we are in a kind of unique situation, where WPM is an individual. TCPi have regulations. Pokebeach does not (well I don't think so at least).*
So I don't think anyone can really tell what's fair or not, because this is unique. We have a chance like we never had before, to know some stuff they don't want to reveal yet (or else it have been already).
Noone can tell the outcome of this except WPM

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My real concern is that I'm afraid they are going to say Electrode has an evolution before I get a chance to discover that myself :O

lol

Aside turning him into a Masterball, I don't see how it can have one, but it could be fun lol

 

[Their Goominess]

for anyone who thinks that 'if you don't want to be spoiled then don't read the spoilers', it's not quite that simple.
Since the news could go anywhere, you could go onto a forum completely unrelated to PokeBeach, or even PokeBeach Forums, but you could still get someone who's c/pasted the spoilers for people to discuss.
So just saying that 'they don't have to read it' etc, chances are that there will be some place else they go people will still reference the spoilers.
edit: I'm not sure how many of you were here for this, but when B/W were first released in Japan and WPM posted them on the front page, he got a letter from Nintendo requesting that they be taken down. (I think that he was threatened with court). That was only for screenshots of a game that was released. (Nintendo probably didn't want their American audience who didn't keep up with all the Japanese news to know all about the games before they were released). If WPM posts all these rumours at once, Nintendo might do something bigger.

On whether I want the spoilers or not: I think a couple would do per month or so - maybe reveal some hints (of course, they wouldn't be hints since we know that WPM has all the spoilers) about a Pokemon that is unrevealed, imply certain moves (eg. does anyone think a high-powered Dark attack will appear in X&Y?), or maybe drop hints if a Pokemon is getting an evolution (eg. I wonder if there's more to *insert Pokemon here* than meets the eye?).
Another thing to do would be: whenever a new Pokemon is revealed through Smash/CoroCoro, its English name would be posted on PokeBeach, so we can immediately refer to it from its English name.
And nothing like 'the 3rd legendary is type1/type2, *detailed explanation of its design*, has this ability, has this relation to Xerneas/Yveltal.
I really want to play through X without every Pokemon being spoiled, and only have storyline elements that TCPi reveal to us. Ever since we found out that it was a simultaneous release I decided about this.