(2) All Names Possibly Revealed, More 'Black' and 'White' English Names Revealed [1/13]

[Augustice9]

um exuse my random double posting, i was kinda click happy

lets get back on subject! this is NOT the hate war thread!

i think the names are nice, but if theyre fake, im ok with it. btw, that was spanish for "spanish forums are calmer than this one."

 

[Rotom479]

Going along with that, if they are fake, I'll probably be disappointed. The names are really growing on me. If they are fake, I'm totally naming my Ononokusu Haxorus, Mebukijika Sawsbuck, and Gigigear Klinklang.

 

[SuperMatt142]

Agreed. Fake or not, there are some cool... some not. I ready for some to be confirmed though. For example, Golurk. That totally personifies something that is a ghost golem.

 

[Metalizard]

Wow... you know what, I'm tired of discussing this... I get it, I'm the bad guy... I explained myself, you guys simply don't understand me... We can't say anything in this forum...

 

[nikohesus]

^If you're not going to say anything that isn't self-pitying or derogatory then you have permission to leave this discussion. You haven't been saying anything constructive at all in this discussion. Good day sir.

 

[Metalizard]

^Like I said, you're the smart one...

 

[SuperMatt142]

Metalizard said:

Wow... you know what, I'm tired of discussing this... I get it, I'm the bad guy... I explained myself, you guys simply don't understand me... We can't say anything in this forum...

If you're the bad guy, it's because you decided that if you seemed angry enough then you could make it seem like you were right. UNfortunately, many of us aren't willing to appease someone throwing a tantrum. You can be sad about it, or learn from it. Up to you. I don't see why you can't just simply make a point without coming off as a jerk. I think anyone can if they try.

It's not a smart contest. You don't have to win. Make a point, then let it go. If your right, great. If your wrong accept it. That's life.'

AGAIN.. this is all of topic. Pokémon names. Fun stuff. I like to nickname them.

 

[Juliacoolo]

Back on topic, please.

I don't like the names at all.... some of them sound more foreign than the japanese names. (Not that there is anything wrong with foregin names)

I'll probably just stick with fan names, and hopefully the rest will settle in.

 

[SuperMatt142]

I don't like the names at all.... some of them sound more foreign than the japanese names. (Not that there is anything wrong with foregin names.)

That statement kills itself. But yea, just give it some time.

 

[XieRH]

I like to nickname them.

I always though everyone nicknames their pokemon. Adds a personal touch. Although back in Gen I and II, I avoided nicknames because I hated having to fly to one specific location in the entire world just to rename the pokemon... but by Gen III I realised this trend wasn't going to change so I lived with it.


(same sentiments towards move deleter and move relearner)

Make a point, then let it go. If your right, great. If your wrong accept it. That's life.

It's not about right or wrong (opinions can't be "right" or "wrong"). He just had an attitude problem.

 

[TomSkylark]

Well... when the guys raging about the "friend" in Cofagrigus are tired of beating that dead horse, they'll move on to the "bra" in braviary

Who's "raging," and how could the topic be a "dead horse" when the list has been out for all of three days, and there's hardly been all that much discussion on the topic?

I understand that you don't want people to rant uncontrollably, and without reason--it doesn't help the level of discourse here, and it makes the board feel overly antagonistic, or simply heated if folks aren't careful with their words.

At the same time, though, I don't see the problem with folks actually debating the merits of a name choice, especially if one chooses to do so respectfully, and with an actual argument.

And not to beat the dead horse, but, since you continued the discussion...

I don't even think pokemon naming will serve to catalyse the process because if they already knew what "friend" means, it wouldn't change anything, and if they didn't... well the pokemon's name isn't going to end up teaching them what it means.

I see your "kids will be kids" point here absolutely, and I agree--it's not like children are all that innocent to begin with, and it's not like they'll be "discovering" anything from the game. That being said, though, this is still about what a company has chosen to do; not whether or not some children do or do not have prior knowledge of the word "friend," but that a company has chosen to include a slur in the name of a character who is part of a series of characters whose names always are based around puns, most of which are made by breaking down those names into their constitutive terms and syllables.

To introduce another hypothetical, I'm guessing that most fifth graders also know about the f-word, but I don't see TPCi putting that in the names of any Pokemon anytime soon for the same reason, even if it were spelled differently, such as without a "c," or with a "ph" instead of an "f" (assuming they didn't HAVE to use an "f" in order to keep the name under the ten character limit ).

Like I said in my first post on the topic, this isn't a big deal. At all. However, given snafu's in the past, this just doesn't seem like the best idea to me for reasons stated before. It's not the end of the world, and it's not indicative of anything else about this generation (or any other), it's just simply not the best choice.

 

[Metalizard]

@SuperMatt142: Seriously... I didn't fake my angry, ok? Man, is it so difficult to understand that what I simply wanted (my point as you say) was that people could say whatever they want about the names??? Why there must be a super-intellectual reason for not liking a name?

It's not about right or wrong (opinions can't be "right" or "wrong"). He just had an attitude problem.

THANKS. Finally, somebody got it. When I said they probably think they're smarter than the rest, I was talking about this. They just think their opinion is the right one.

 

[SuperMatt142]

XieRH said: I always though everyone nicknames their pokemon. Adds a personal touch. Although back in Gen I and II, I avoided nicknames because I hated having to fly to one specific location in the entire world just to rename the pokemon... but by Gen III I realised this trend wasn't going to change so I lived with it.

Yea, going to the name rater IS a pain, but I realized it around the same time you did. Before Ruby/Sapphire I didn't nickname either, but around that time I had enough friends that played I wanted my guys to stand out. I like the personalization. Shrapnel (my Aggron), Bluescreen (my shiny Porygon Z), and Lockjaw (my Feraligatr) agree.

Metalizard said: Seriously... I didn't fake my angry, ok? Man, is it so difficult to understand that what I simply wanted (my point as you say) was that people could say whatever they want about the names??? Why there must be a super-intellectual reason for not liking a name?

There doesn't have to be a super-intellectual reason for not liking a name, but you can't be angry if someone IS intellectual when reasoning why they do like them. You say you want to be able to say what you want. I was expressing my point in the way I see fit. I never said other people couldn't do it their way. I simply stated it shouldn't be surprising that someone will make thier counterpoint known. The only reason I started pursuing you personally is because YOU singled me out first. Remember that?

 

[nikohesus]

I only nicknamed my Pokemon to have their names be lowercased- I can't stand the stupid uppercase letters in my Poke's names.
However, in Generation 5 all the names are in lowercase anyway, so renaming them= unnecessary. For me, of course.
Unless I find a REALLY good nickname for my Pokemon.

 

[SuperMatt142]

Nikohesus said: I only nicknamed my Pokemon to have their names be lowercased- I can't stand the stupid uppercase letters in my Poke's names.
However, in Generation 5 all the names are in lowercase anyway, so renaming them= unnecessary. For me, of course.
Unless I find a REALLY good nickname for my Pokemon.

Yea, I agree with you on the uppercase. Unfortunately several of my nicknamed guys from Ru/Sa are in upper because I didn't want thier names to not match up with some of the event guys I've raised (like my Space C Deoxys)... but now if I send them to Black and White they won't match the font style... not sure how I'm going to counter that yet. ;p

 

[Metalizard]

btw, about the nicknames... I never nickname my pokémon... maybe that's one of the reasons the name is so important to me... I prefer to call them by their species name...

 

[XieRH]

To introduce another hypothetical, I'm guessing that most fifth graders also know about the f-word, but I don't see TPCi putting that in the names of any Pokemon anytime soon for the same reason, even if it were spelled differently, such as without a "c," or with a "ph" instead of an "f" (assuming they didn't HAVE to use an "f" in order to keep the name under the ten character limit

The word "friend" doesn't have the same level as the F-word tbh... "friend" is a word that can be taken out of context if you focus on the naughty interpetation rather than say... the slang for cigarette, or it being the acronym for the guatemalan air force.

(well of course Muk backwards is the first 3 letters of "kumbayah")

The F-word on the other hand is hands-down explicit.

this just doesn't seem like the best idea to me

Well unfortunately there is no universally-accepted "best idea". There's always going to be some issue here and there.

It's funny really... when we were younger, stuff like this wouldn't be an issue at all... we just accepted whatever names were bestowed on them.

Maybe this is what some people say about "outgrowing pokemon".. that stage in life, when you suddenly start to apply adult-level perspectives on what should be a children-level franchise, and without realising it, you find that you're a lot more critical of the franchise than you were 10 years ago. I noticed that within myself when I stopped following the anime on a regular basis after Johto and even skipped playing DPPt (and probably will skip BW too... waiting for Gray at the very least)

You can replace the Mijumaru with anything that has been a controversial topic thus far... pokemon musicals... fags in pokemon names... gear(klink)'s evolutions recycling sprite designs... that ice cream pokemon... whatever the heck it was Metalizard was so uptight about...

 

[nikohesus]

How bout actually nicknaming them their species name?
Like I nicknamed my Rotom Plasma, and I might even nicknamed Gothitelle Astral Body.

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@SuperMatt actually any older Pokemon with uppercase letters will be changed to lowercase, good news for you and everyone else!

 

[TomSkylark]

Waaaaaay back in generaiton one, I nicknamed all of mine with their Japanese names.

Back then the internet wasn't really a thing yet, and the games had been out for a while before they brought them over, so there wasn't the same availability of names either before, or immediately after release. I had bought an awesome Pokedex book in San Francisco's Japantown before the games had come out (but after they had been alluded to in Nintendo Power, which was THE PLACE for Ninty news back then), and that was how I taught myself katakana.

It's sort of silly to think of it now, but naming them their Japanese names was like a little secret I had with myself (and, well, with all of Japan, and a good portion of everywhere else, but how could I have known that?). It also made battling weird for my opponents (all three of them, lol) because they hadn't been exposed to the Japanese names, for the most part.

Things are totally different now--we all get the Japanese names (and the full Pokedex to boot) way in advance of the US release, there's often an "unofficial" translation out even before that, and we can pretty much get supersaturated with all of the information we might need or want before we even play the games.

 

[nikohesus]

^Sorry, I don't understand your point. Is it that obtaining much information before the original release isn't fun anymore?
Looks like Metalizard is banned. Like I said, there's nothing wrong with opinions, but making a largely big deal out of it and insulting others isn't going to prevent nor change anything.