#6: Selective Genes

I'll make this quick since I have to get packing for my vacation, but are some of us blatantly forgetting the fact that we have been essentially doing this already? Artificial selection, the process of producing the best "produce" or livestock for eating or whatever, has been done for many years now. If we are already trying to prepare the best food for our liking, how would this be any different? Obviously the whole idea around "super chickens" is kind of flawed, but the overall idea is the same.

With changing the genes around, we would be able to cure many more diseases and implications that one's self would acquire throughout their life spent on Earth.

Should there be restrictions on how far we are able to proceed with this? Of course there should be some boundaries, but how far are we actually able to go with this? Making ourselves look basically like clones wouldn't really change our emotions or who we actually are. The act of getting plastic surgery may change your outward appearance (for better or worse), yet nothing of your socialistic or brain functions have been altered (albeit more or less self esteem). So if people are already trying to look more "perfect", then what is really the difference?

The idea of super human is really laughable. Are we really scared of being a disease free world? Or is it the idea of us all getting smarter? Statistics have shown that the human race is getting smarter and will get smarter with the years to come.

I highly doubt that anyone is thinking of the idea "super humans" as robots, for that is just completely ludicrous. The idea of us having guns popping out of our hands and legs is kind of funny and unrealistic. Though, I'm sure some of you were thinking of that.

In conclusion, I don't really see anything majorly wrong with this. Obviously there are some religious bounds that you are breaking, but then again, how many interpretations of the Bible can we muster up? Thus we get all the different religions stemming off from the same book. In my opinion, just do what is best for the overall progress of the human race.
 
Maybe if it provides a significant benefit to health and prevention of disease (e.g. prevention of cancer etc.), but other than that....no.
 
Shouldn't we just leave all the gene manipulation and so on with evolution? It has been on our favour so far, why oppose it?
 
scampy said:
Hitler is an unfair comparison because Hitler was evil no matter what he did. He was also an artist- does that mean we should claim art to be bad? No of course not (unless it's modern art! :D)

Not really. For one, I respect Hitler purely based on his leadership. I mean, I can't believe people actually went along with his ideas. Those people clearly didn't think he was evil at the time. And most people don't believe the Holocaust even happened (dumb ***es), so I'm sure people don't think he's evil at all. Of course I do, it's just, he didn't believe it, so why should everyone else. And also, he was rejected for his art. So, I would say he wasn't an artist. He was just a mediocre person drawing and wanting revenge.

Anyway, I'm sorry for bringing religion into this kind of topic, but if God makes you the way you are, are you just going to cast yourself aside in favor being perfect or disease free? I don't think so. Don't play God. It'll only end you up in heck.

dmaster out.
 
d master342 said:
Anyway, I'm sorry for bringing religion into this kind of topic, but if God makes you the way you are, are you just going to cast yourself aside in favor being perfect or disease free? I don't think so. Don't play God. It'll only end you up in heck.
For anyone who followed the latest topic, this is what I was talking about when I was talking about religion holding us back and standing in the way of science.

But anyhow, I don't believe, with very good reason. So why should you be telling me what I should or shouldn't do? If all religious people are going to act like this, you'll all probably die of a pandemic at some point, whilst those who did act in favour of improving the human race will just have immunity (be it through nanobots or genetics).
 
Pandamore said:
Whats the NEED to control it?

I can see with diseases but humans have lived long enough for us to live on more. Especially because we haven't even had medicine over all the years humans have walked the erath.
 
Pandamore said:
Then what would that cause? Over population?
1 child/family? Life on Mars? (it'll probably be possible once genetics becomes this advanced)
There's always ways around everything.
 
I agree with everyone with the gene selection, but I just have a feeling they're going to go too far and something else is going to come up like a problem, like the invention of cars did, because the person who invented them didn't relize that gas isn't a renuable resource. Something like that happening from all this, but it doesn't even matter because if it makes our life easier, people are going to except. That's why I think this generation is F A I L
 
kashmaster said:
Come on God should have nothing to do with this. You should present a purely scientific argument :p

Unfortunately it does with our motives. It's fairly insignificant, as most people don't agree with this anyway. Or at least to a certain extent.

Heavenly Spoon :F said:
d master342 said:
Anyway, I'm sorry for bringing religion into this kind of topic, but if God makes you the way you are, are you just going to cast yourself aside in favor being perfect or disease free? I don't think so. Don't play God. It'll only end you up in heck.
For anyone who followed the latest topic, this is what I was talking about when I was talking about religion holding us back and standing in the way of science.

But anyhow, I don't believe, with very good reason. So why should you be telling me what I should or shouldn't do? If all religious people are going to act like this, you'll all probably die of a pandemic at some point, whilst those who did act in favour of improving the human race will just have immunity (be it through nanobots or genetics).

On the contrary, I'm not telling people how to act. I'm just expressing what I think of people who condone this. IMO there will never be complete immunity. Pure opinion here.

dmaster out.
 
Pandamore said:
Then what would that cause? Over population?

The countries that truly suffer from overpopulation are developing countries.

As in the ones this wouldn't really do anything too. That's not really the problem.
 
China isn't "developing" yet it's still overpopulated...
Medaforcer said:
Pandamore said:
Then what would that cause? Over population?

The countries that truly suffer from overpopulation are developing countries.

As in the ones this wouldn't really do anything too. That's not really the problem.

And like I said, this whole thing will lead into another problem stupidly overlooked. The only NEED for this is for pandemic sickness, or something alongs the lines of that, which are developed from human's fault, not sicknesses that have occured naturally which control the population of the world like the flu, or w/e.

So to put my whole arguement into something littler, there's no NEED for it, only to improve the race.
 
You're calling China developed? ._.

Pandamics caused by humans? How?
Also, most of the recent pandemics were flu variants, so I highly doubt you know what you're talking about...
These "sicknesses which control the population" generally target younger people, and kill large percentages of the world population, I seriously hope you're not justifying all those deaths because it "controls the population", that's just sick.
 
Heavenly Spoon :F said:
You're calling China developed? ._.

Pandamics caused by humans? How?
Also, most of the recent pandemics were flu variants, so I highly doubt you know what you're talking about...
These "sicknesses which control the population" generally target younger people, and kill large percentages of the world population, I seriously hope you're not justifying all those deaths because it "controls the population", that's just sick.

Being developed is in your point of view. I'm seeing it as since it's one of the most poluted countries in the world, I'd think it's developed enough so it could effect the world, but that's just me so I could care less what anyone else thinks.

Pandemics as in sicknesses caused by human interference, that I could understand having the need to use the Gene manipulation. But just using it to solve cancer, common cold, or any other sickness just for the sake of imrpoving the race is what I don't get. We're all going to die at some point, and man have never had a problem with it. Having the desire to live longer is your own opinion, but still is going to have some effect on the world, the "way things are", if you're going to mess with it, all there's going to come out of it is problems.

And what do you think controls the popultion of the world?

D E A T H

Minimizing that risk of sickness will of course cause less deaths, leading eventually to overpopulation. And sickness aiming at "young people"? It only depends on how well you immune system works, which barely narrows it down to your age.
 
Actually, no, one of the more recent pandemics, I think it was the Asian flu, had a very high mortality rate for people around the age of 20. The immune system is also optimal around the age of 40, and there's a very noticeable curve. If it depends on your immune system, age is a very big factor.

We're all going to die at some point, yes, but I'd prefer to die at 100ish instead of 40ish. This is my opinion, yes, but your opinion shouldn't be standing in the way of mine. Just because you want to stand still doesn't mean the rest of the world shouldn't be moving forwards. Overpopulation can be controlled anyway.

And what about improving the race don't you get? We've been doing it for centuries, medicine, health care, hygiene, clothing, houses, vehicles, all to make us, humans, dominant over other species. We could just stop doing this, or maybe even go back to caves and wait until a pandemic wipes us all out, or we can continue doing this and guarantee the survival of our species.

Everything we do has an effect on the world, but out of all things, this should be the least of your worries.
 
Don't get me wrong, of course I want to improve the race. But tell me this truthfully, do you really think people won't go overboard with this? Lead into something which is a global crisis? In my opinion yes, but this whole thing is just around your opinions, so I'll have mine, I won't have it stand in your way, and we'll see how the future goes. And that's another thing, it's hard to predict the future, so I won't argue anymore, I still have my whole life ahead of me and it's however this society developes. If it wants to control the genes? Let it go ahead and do it, but they better think it through.
 
Heavenly Spoon :F said:
You're calling China developed? ._.

Pandamics caused by humans? How?

To be fair, the increase in global temperature is leading to tropical diseases spreading further from the equator.
 
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