#6: Selective Genes

I don't think the controversy with gene selection is the actual selection of genes. Rather it is looking at the fetus and judging whether it is desirable or undesirable; if it has desirable genes, then you keep it. Conversely, if it has undesirable genes, it is discarded. I foresee this being applied to genetic disorders (dear god that is a dangerously vague term) and "violent", or "evil" genes. I'm serious about the last one. If (when) scientists discover what genetic factors influence violence and evil, there will most definitely be a push to congress for legislation allowing mandatory screening of all fetuses to ensure that they will not grow up into serial killers or rapists. What then would happened I don't know but probably abortion of the fetuses. And that's where the gene selection controversy would truly begin: the scrutiny of undesirable genes and the destruction of fetuses carrying those genes. It would be just like eugenics only this time around the reasoning would be, "we're saving lives."
 
Pandamore, I said that stopping diseases is where you draw the line too. You misunderstood my post - I was emphasising how pick and mix children is wrong.
 
afstandopleren said:
We are the most advanced species on this planet, yet the voice of reason reaches us. How can you explain that?
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I was talking to pandamore regarding her view upon China. I am trying to say if you don't seek to learn then you will never understand.

@ Heavenly, Shouldn't we just leave it to evolution to help us since it has done so well for us so far. why change now?
 
Heavenly Spoon said:
Why would we want the human race to die out?
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I didn't say I want the human race to die out, I only pointed out it will die out over time, and there's nothing we can do about it.
 
kashmaster said:
@ Heavenly, Shouldn't we just leave it to evolution to help us since it has done so well for us so far. why change now?
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We're limited to sexual selection, there's barely any natural selection occurring anymore, and even those less fit to survive on this planet find a partner and breed (monogamy as one of the reasons). We're also the most powerful species on the planet ATM, we're the main predator. We're also not an isolated group, we're a global group, which also significantly slows down evolution. Protecting us from pandemics is something evolution CAN do, but it's too slow and leaves too many casualties.
So yeah, if we want to secure our dominance on this planet, we'll have to take matters into our own hands.
 
oh ok so if we leave it down to evolution we will go extinct right? Can there be rapid evolution? I also heard people have developed immunity to diseases without having to take any medicine or vaccination.
 
Urm well if you read, I am trying to discuss with HS:F the possible ideas of leaving evolution to deal with our disease problems and so on.
 
If you want to talk about evolution, go back to the other thread, as it's an off topic for this topic. This thread is about discussing selective baby making. Or does HS just want to talk about something he's good at 'discussing'?

I personally think that viral deceases can't be programmed into genes. Just info to have a more reactive immune system.
 
Well firstly we are talking about evolution compared to the selective gene process. If you are going to argue then at least have a viable point. Also HS is not only good at talking about evolution he is a very nice person and you shouldn't judge him too hastily. If you don't like him fine, no need to spam it up on this thread
 
I can read more then just the words. That is exactly why I am able to 'judge' him the way I do as you mean it due to the happenings in the other thread.
 
I think discussing evolution fits the topic fine. There's no reason this conversation should be so linear.
 
Medaforcer said:
I think discussing evolution fits the topic fine. There's no reason this conversation should be so linear.
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Thankyou it gives diversity to the discussion thus giving us more viable solutions for the question :3
 
The next step after Gene selection is genetic manipulation. This would allow us to take evolution into our own hands. Selecting genes is just another form of natural selection, the motor of evolution. Of course evolution is relevant here. It's the foundation of biology, how can it not be?

And Kash asked a question, I answered him, I don't see what the big deal is...
afstandopleren said:
HS just want to talk about something he's good at 'discussing'?
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Oh, I'm sorry, I'll just discuss things I'm terrible at discussing from now on ._.

And note that it was kash who 1st mentioned evolution, I was just talking about the future of the human race and how this would affect this.

afstandopleren said:
I personally think that viral deceases can't be programmed into genes. Just info to have a more reactive immune system.
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And the strength of our immune system depends on our genes, like pretty much everything in our body.
 
Heavenly Spoon :F said:
The next step after Gene selection is genetic manipulation. This would allow us to take evolution into our own hands. Selecting genes is just another form of natural selection, the motor of evolution. Of course evolution is relevant here. It's the foundation of biology, how can it not be?

And Kash asked a question, I answered him, I don't see what the big deal is...
afstandopleren said:
HS just want to talk about something he's good at 'discussing'?
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Oh, I'm sorry, I'll just discuss things I'm terrible at discussing from now on ._.

And note that it was kash who 1st mentioned evolution, I was just talking about the future of the human race and how this would affect this.

afstandopleren said:
I personally think that viral deceases can't be programmed into genes. Just info to have a more reactive immune system.
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And the strength of our immune system depends on our genes, like pretty much everything in our body.
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Yes, I noted, still, you are doing much of the work.

There are so many things you still need to learn on how to have a proper conversation.

Wow, no brainer there.>_> But that does not counter my opinion on genes not being able to take viral deceases hands on.
 
afstandopleren said:
Wow, no brainer there.>_> But that does not counter my opinion on genes not being able to take viral deceases hands on.
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Doesn't mean they won't help. Genetic selection and manipulation won't be the cure for all diseases, but it might be combined with better medication, better vacines and better perhaps stuff like nanobots.
 
If you're missing a chromosome, evolution will not deal with that. A genetic disorder is not "weeded out" by evolution. Instead evolution weeds out the carriers of the disorders. Allowing nature to just run its course in this way is unacceptable; a person's life is more valuable than a natural process and as a species we are obligated to help those in need.
 
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