#9: Obesity

While PokeChamp did go a bit far in saying obesity has no ill effects, he is closer to the right idea than most are.

Here is some information for you all:

-Recent studies are showing overweight (not obese per se) people might have a slightly longer life expectancy than "normal" weight or underweight people.
-Obese people are more likely to survive more aggressive surgeries, as the weight they lose won't affect anything. A thin person, losing weight though is BAD.
-It is better for your health to be fat than really thin.

If I have to link, I will.

However said 400-500 calories is a big problem.....wow. That is about what I have at each meal, and my BMI suggests I have a anorexia. =/ (Though BMI itself is an inaccurate measure of saying if you are "fat" or "skinny".)

Also, some people who are obese just can't go out and "lose weight". Some of these people have other things that get in the way of cooking a healthy meal, purchasing a "healthy" (note the quotation marks) meal at some place, or have time to exercise for more than an hour.

On how to fix this "problem" (we have a lot to worry about before this)...I doubt it will be fixed. You can't just make someone go to a weight loss clinic if their BMI gets above 25. (and I'll say it again, a BMI of 25 is healthier than one of 20.) That is a total invasion of someone's personal freedom. Also, in order for a weight loss to "work" one of the following would have to occur:

A) The government would keep you there until you lose weight...almost like a prison. Apparently 65% of America is right now committing a crime. =/
B) The person would actually have to be "motivated" to do so. (Are you ever motivated to do something when someone forces you? I don't think so.) Also, those who aren't can just eat junk when ever they aren't at the clinic. (Thus the reason for the "prison" idea.)

Being obese isn't the best thing for your health, but it certainly should not be among our top concerns. When we find cures to cancer, feed the hungry, and fix the world economy, then we might be able to move onto this matter.
 
My BMI is 21.9, and my doctor says I'm quite overweight, so I don't understand how having a BMI of 25 can be healthy. Maybe adult BMIs work differently to teenagers.
 
BMI is quite ridiculous anyway. All it takes is your height and weight. Nothing else. Not you body fat %, not your muscle mass, nothing.

And yes, it does work a bit different for adults than teenagers, as teenagers are not fully grown until about 18.

Besides, it's a study. We aren't fully sure yet. However, more studies are starting to show that. IIRC, the "healthiest" BMI range is about 22 to 24, which hovers close to the overweight line.
 
Fridge said:
I'm talking abotu pre-bough and pre-packaged salds that you buy in shops/supermarktes. Homemade stuff, you choose what goes in it. That goes without saying.
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Ahh, I see. Well, if the obese person is smart, they'll buy it with the salad dressing on the side or something.

dmaster out.
 
I don't understand how being fat isn't bad?

1. Shortness of Breath
2. arteries clogged up with fat
3. Your diaphragm is pushed up due to the fat.
4. You are slower due to fat
5. You are not as smart as it is harder for a fat person to connect brain waves together (something like that, just google it)
6. You are less flexible
7. You probably don't look very pleasent
8. Chance of diabetes
9. Chance of blood pressure
10. More susceptible to cancers

Now that is 10 things of the top of my head. So if I actually googled this I am sure there are many possibilities to how being overweight or obese is bad for you.

It is not good, never has been and unless we somehow evolve never will be.
 
This is the choice of some Americans. They don't want to be active and eat of a lot of food. But, now this isn't just an American problem.
 
this is obviously not an american problem. I just don't understand why people abuse what they are given. If we were intended to be fat then this planet would be much more easier to scale. Yet if we were slim we are more flexible, supple and faster to move around the world.

We were ment to be slim.

Also why does our skin stretch when we are fat? Surely we wouldve evolved skin that wasn't affected if nature intended us to be fat...
 
kashmaster said:
I don't understand how being fat isn't bad?

1. Shortness of Breath
2. arteries clogged up with fat
3. Your diaphragm is pushed up due to the fat.
4. You are slower due to fat
5. You are not as smart as it is harder for a fat person to connect brain waves together (something like that, just google it)
6. You are less flexible
7. You probably don't look very pleasent
8. Chance of diabetes
9. Chance of blood pressure
10. More susceptible to cancers
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And that, is where you are wrong. And I mean way wrong. It doesn't matter what you weigh. You can get diabetes if you are skinny as a rail, or fat as a cow. If it runs in the family, good luck. You can do whatever you want to try and prevent it, but being healthy overall isn't always going to work. My mother, who is far from fat (5' 8", approx 170 lbs) has been diabetic for well over 15 years. She was around 150 when she got it, and it runs heavily in her side of the family. And guess what? She's not obese. I had an aunt who died from diabetic complications. And she wasn't obese either. Diabetes is a very touchy subject for me, as I've learned that I'm sitting on the borderline of type 2 at this point. In my case, yes, weight did have something to do with it, as I've been on the larger side all of my life. But guess what? No amount of healthy eating, no amount of exercise, and no about of dieting has worked for me to lose weight. I have gland issues. But I can't afford to go to the doctor to get meds to take care of it, because I'm unemployed and without any form of health insurance.

Makes me wish that the government was willing to help out those of us who do want to lose weight, and have tried everything to no avail.

You think I liked getting picked on in elementary, middle, and high school about my weight? You think it was fun going through the daily ridicule because I was heavy? I ate well when I was young, spent a lot of time outside with my friends running around and playing, just as a normal active child should do.

But I guess it's me who is at fault for all of this, right?
 
^ why are you attacking me? Did I at all once say if you are slim you are safe from diabetes? I am relatively fit but I have about an 80% chance of type 2 diabetes, shocker ain't it?

I am not stupid and neither are you. You know if I was fat ATM then I would be more at risk of diabetes than I am now. So even if genetics can give you diabetes don't count yourself out, there is a possibility you can avoid it and the more healthy you are the higher this possibility gets.

Since we are on the subject of Diabetes, this is what it can do to you and this is from home experience. Imagine having 20 tabs a day, taking injections everyday, not being able to lose weight but just gaining.
Honestly you don't want to live life like this as it is a slow killer.

I also believed those with the problem of not being able to lose weight should know that if a doctor has diagnosed them with such a condition, then I am not scrutinising them. You should know I am talking to those who are overweight and can do something about it.

So next time don't underestimate what I know and say, I see both sides of the story.
 
Blue Thunder said:

Here is some information for you all:

-Recent studies are showing overweight (not obese per se) people might have a slightly longer life expectancy than "normal" weight or underweight people.
-Obese people are more likely to survive more aggressive surgeries, as the weight they lose won't affect anything. A thin person, losing weight though is BAD.
-It is better for your health to be fat than really thin.
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Ok well I think the results of these studies just don't mean anything. Let's break these down.

For the first statement, the word "might" is used. This isn't anything new. Of course the odd fat person is going to live a long life. But on average, you will find that obese people have a significantly shorter life span.

Second statement may be true. But hey wait, obese people are also more likely to have that surgery in the first place. ;p

Third statement... not only is this incredibly vague, but it also draws no comparison to what is defined as an average weight person. It compares being overweight to being underweight, which is the basis of no sane arguement in this context.
 
Secretsof2113 said:
kashmaster said:
I don't understand how being fat isn't bad?

1. Shortness of Breath
2. arteries clogged up with fat
3. Your diaphragm is pushed up due to the fat.
4. You are slower due to fat
5. You are not as smart as it is harder for a fat person to connect brain waves together (something like that, just google it)
6. You are less flexible
7. You probably don't look very pleasent
8. Chance of diabetes
9. Chance of blood pressure
10. More susceptible to cancers
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And that, is where you are wrong. And I mean way wrong. It doesn't matter what you weigh. You can get diabetes if you are skinny as a rail, or fat as a cow. If it runs in the family, good luck. You can do whatever you want to try and prevent it, but being healthy overall isn't always going to work. My mother, who is far from fat (5' 8", approx 170 lbs) has been diabetic for well over 15 years. She was around 150 when she got it, and it runs heavily in her side of the family. And guess what? She's not obese. I had an aunt who died from diabetic complications. And she wasn't obese either. Diabetes is a very touchy subject for me, as I've learned that I'm sitting on the borderline of type 2 at this point. In my case, yes, weight did have something to do with it, as I've been on the larger side all of my life. But guess what? No amount of healthy eating, no amount of exercise, and no about of dieting has worked for me to lose weight. I have gland issues. But I can't afford to go to the doctor to get meds to take care of it, because I'm unemployed and without any form of health insurance.
It is true that overweight people are at greater risk of Type 2 Diabetes. But it's also true that dieting and exercise don't work for some people. It's Type 1 that runs most unavoidably in some families.

Makes me wish that the government was willing to help out those of us who do want to lose weight, and have tried everything to no avail.
The government? Honestly? Government healthcare and programs have NEVER worked. Ever. In any country. Just look at the UK's healthcare. What can government-employed doctors do? Nothing, because they're afraid of being accused of malpractice and getting fired to keep the public happy.

You think I liked getting picked on in elementary, middle, and high school about my weight? You think it was fun going through the daily ridicule because I was heavy? I ate well when I was young, spent a lot of time outside with my friends running around and playing, just as a normal active child should do.

But I guess it's me who is at fault for all of this, right?
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No offense, but I don't really understand why women worry so much about their weight.
 
Rhincodon Typus said:
No offense, but I don't really understand why women worry so much about their weight.
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This just made me laugh sooo fricken hard xD

FYI Guys worry about their weight too, not just women so categorizing it like that is pointless and stupid.
 
I dont see why people worry about weight so much if I was fat I would be hsppy to have some extra warmth.

Just because you are a bit larger than everyone else doesnt meaan you are a bad person.

I would just find something to get motivated with and work to get a little lighter.
 
lol :p
I think what he meant was that there is more pressure for a woman to be skinnier than there is for a man therefor woman as a whole worry more ?
Kick me if im wrong though :p
 
This thread shouldnt just be about america it should be about every country because there are fat people there too.
 
kashmaster said:
I don't understand how being fat isn't bad?

1. Shortness of Breath
2. arteries clogged up with fat
3. Your diaphragm is pushed up due to the fat.
4. You are slower due to fat
5. You are not as smart as it is harder for a fat person to connect brain waves together (something like that, just google it)
6. You are less flexible
7. You probably don't look very pleasent
8. Chance of diabetes
9. Chance of blood pressure
10. More susceptible to cancers

Now that is 10 things of the top of my head. So if I actually googled this I am sure there are many possibilities to how being overweight or obese is bad for you.

It is not good, never has been and unless we somehow evolve never will be.
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I was reading this and I was like, "Wow!" All of you people wanting to change fat people think that a person who is overweight is like some alien in society. Geez people, you want to chance society into some sort of perfect race of ultra skinny people. Come on, like that is going to happen. Obviously being overweight is a bad thing, but its not your job, or the government's job to change the habits of overweight people, it's that person's decision to make that change to improve their lifestyle. Statements like the one I bolded above are completely absurd. I will admit that I am not your vision of the perfect citizen (In your case skinny), but saying that fat people are not as smart as skinny people is just the same as saying one race is better than another. Again, I'll admit I'm a little overweight, but I graduated valedictorian of my high school class, and I don't think this statement makes any sense; besides I know A LOT of stupid skinny people (it works both ways). Also, I don't care if you "googled it", trying to change someone because of the way they look is wrong.
 
I'd like to take this time to say that I was 260 pounds in 10th grade and am now 180 pounds at a height of 6'3".

On top of this I would like to say losing weight is not very hard. Thank you.

Note: Unless you have some sort of physical ailment that has an effect on weight. (Which is more often no the case).
 
doodad126 said:
kashmaster said:
I don't understand how being fat isn't bad?

1. Shortness of Breath
2. arteries clogged up with fat
3. Your diaphragm is pushed up due to the fat.
4. You are slower due to fat
5. You are not as smart as it is harder for a fat person to connect brain waves together (something like that, just google it)
6. You are less flexible
7. You probably don't look very pleasent
8. Chance of diabetes
9. Chance of blood pressure
10. More susceptible to cancers

Now that is 10 things of the top of my head. So if I actually googled this I am sure there are many possibilities to how being overweight or obese is bad for you.

It is not good, never has been and unless we somehow evolve never will be.
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I was reading this and I was like, "Wow!" All of you people wanting to change fat people think that a person who is overweight is like some alien in society. Geez people, you want to chance society into some sort of perfect race of ultra skinny people. Come on, like that is going to happen. Obviously being overweight is a bad thing, but its not your job, or the government's job to change the habits of overweight people, it's that person's decision to make that change to improve their lifestyle. Statements like the one I bolded above are completely absurd. I will admit that I am not your vision of the perfect citizen (In your case skinny), but saying that fat people are not as smart as skinny people is just the same as saying one race is better than another. Again, I'll admit I'm a little overweight, but I graduated valedictorian of my high school class, and I don't think this statement makes any sense; besides I know A LOT of stupid skinny people (it works both ways). Also, I don't care if you "googled it", trying to change someone because of the way they look is wrong.
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I am not singling out fat people. They could be extremely smart already (trust me I know a few) but if they lost weight their brain would be more sharp and have a quicker reaction time. I am just trying to put accross the negatives of being overweight. It is the truth and you should check it out. I hate people jumping to conclusions (its really annoying) did I say being slim automatically makes you superior in intelligience to fat people? I know the are very slim people who aren't intelligent.

So your argument is obsolete as your are trying to say being fat is fine. You say it isn't but you are arguing a fact. Do not listen to him saying this is some sort of discrimination or racism it isn't. I am simply trying to help others understand why being overweight is not good for you.

If you can't do anything about it, its obviously not your fault and I am not refering to you (you are not inferior and you can be as smart as anyone on this planet as long as you try :D)
 
kashmaster said:
doodad126 said:
I was reading this and I was like, "Wow!" All of you people wanting to change fat people think that a person who is overweight is like some alien in society. Geez people, you want to chance society into some sort of perfect race of ultra skinny people. Come on, like that is going to happen. Obviously being overweight is a bad thing, but its not your job, or the government's job to change the habits of overweight people, it's that person's decision to make that change to improve their lifestyle. Statements like the one I bolded above are completely absurd. I will admit that I am not your vision of the perfect citizen (In your case skinny), but saying that fat people are not as smart as skinny people is just the same as saying one race is better than another. Again, I'll admit I'm a little overweight, but I graduated valedictorian of my high school class, and I don't think this statement makes any sense; besides I know A LOT of stupid skinny people (it works both ways). Also, I don't care if you "googled it", trying to change someone because of the way they look is wrong.
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I am not singling out fat people. They could be extremely smart already (trust me I know a few) but if they lost weight their brain would be more sharp and have a quicker reaction time. I am just trying to put accross the negatives of being overweight. It is the truth and you should check it out. I hate people jumping to conclusions (its really annoying) did I say being slim automatically makes you superior in intelligience to fat people? I know the are very slim people who aren't intelligent.

So your argument is obsolete as your are trying to say being fat is fine. You say it isn't but you are arguing a fact. Do not listen to him saying this is some sort of discrimination or racism it isn't. I am simply trying to help others understand why being overweight is not good for you.

If you can't do anything about it, its obviously not your fault and I am not refering to you (you are not inferior and you can be as smart as anyone on this planet as long as you try :D)
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You shouldn't say my argument is obsolete because you obviously didn't understand my argument, I never said that being overweight was fine (you should have read what I typed). My argument was based on the fact that you people are trying to change fat people just because they're obese. You say it isn't discrimination, but it totally is discrimination (racism is discrimination against a certain race) since you want to make some sort of law or something through the government in order to get a perfect society. Well guess what, society isn't perfect. There will always be fat people, skinny people, and people in between, you cannot change that fact. Like Medaforcer said anybody can lose the weight, but you have to try first. It shouldn't be your job or the government's to change someone because they are obese. And besides are you willing to help every person who weighs over say 250 pounds or so? I don't think so. All I'm trying to say is that it has to be the person's own choice. Not yours or anybody elses.
 
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