Ruling Beedrill RR ruling?

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If you have a Memory Berry attached to Beedrill RR and use Kakuna RR's Dangerous Evolution, what will happen:

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Kakuna LV.8 - Grass - HP80
Stage 1 - Evolves from Weedle

Poke-Body: Hard Body
Any damage done to this Pokemon by attacks is reduced by 20.

[G] Dangerous Evolution: The Defending Pokemon is now Poisoned. Flip a coin, if heads search your deck for an Evolution card that Evolves from Kakuna and play it on top of Kakuna to Evolve it. Shuffle your deck afterward.

Weakness: Fire (+20)
Resistance: none
Retreat: 2

Beedrill from Bonds to the End of Time
Beedrill LV.47 - Grass - HP110
Stage 2 - Evolves from Kakuna

Poke-Power: Wing Beat
You can use this Power once during your turn. Search your deck for 1 Grass-type Pokemon card, show it to your opponent, and put it in your hand. Shuffle your deck afterward. This Power can’t be used if this Pokemon is affected by a Special Condition.

[G][C][C] Needle Shock: 30 damage. The Defending Pokemon is now Poisoned and Paralyzed. If any of your Pokemon used Needle Shock during your previous turn, ignore the effect of Poison and Paralysis.

Weakness: Fire (+30)
Resistance: none
Retreat: 1
 
Kakuna's name is replaced with Beedrill's name, and since there is no evolution after Beedrill, you don't search your deck.

It'd read as: [G] Dangerous Evolution: The Defending Pokemon is now Poisoned. Flip a coin, if heads search your deck for an Evolution card that Evolves from Beedrill and play it on top of Beedrill to Evolve it. Shuffle your deck afterward.

Since the game knows there is no evolution after Beedrill, I'm going to assume you wouldn't search your deck.

Then again I could be wrong.
 
We can't be sure on rulings on cards that aren't out until they are released in English.
But, because Beedrill can't evolve you would only get to do the Poison. I'm pretty sure that you don't get to flip and if heads search your deck for nothing, because it is public knowledge that Beedrill wouldn't be able to evolve.
 
If that's the case, then you wouldn't be allowed to search your deck because it would be like playing a switch when you have no benched Pokemon.

But seriously, who would use that attack anyway? You've already got Beedrill...
 
Taylor45 said:
If that's the case, then you wouldn't be allowed to search your deck because it would be like playing a switch when you have no benched Pokemon.

But seriously, who would use that attack anyway? You've already got Beedrill...
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Who knows? Maybe there's an active Gengar with 100 damage on it.
 
Hmm... I would say that you do get to search your deck, but you cannot find anything.

But Alakazam using Abra MT's Ultra Evolution with Memory Berry would surely evolve Alakazam into Alakazam. xD
 
The game knows that there is no evolution though, so it knows you cannot search your deck for an Alakazam/Beedrill if they're already at that stage.
 
Amt said:
The game knows that there is no evolution though, so it knows you cannot search your deck for an Alakazam/Beedrill if they're already at that stage.
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you can still search your deck.
 
#1weavile said:
Amt said:
The game knows that there is no evolution though, so it knows you cannot search your deck for an Alakazam/Beedrill if they're already at that stage.
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you can still search your deck.
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For what reason would you search you deck anyway if you can't get anything out other than probably checking if something prized or if you just want to shuffle your deck.
 
#1weavile said:
Amt said:
The game knows that there is no evolution though, so it knows you cannot search your deck for an Alakazam/Beedrill if they're already at that stage.
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you can still search your deck.
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Didn't Amt just say that you couldn't, along with several others?
Anyways, I'm pretty sure that the same would also go for using a Level Max and knowing that none of your Pokemon have a Lv. up.
 
Just to put an end to this thread...

If it is common knowledge that an action cannot be performed to the end, then the action can not be performed!
If you play a Switch, and you have no benched Pokemon, you're not allowed to play the Switch!
If you play Night Maintenance without anything in your Discard Pile at all, you suck! That's another illegal move!
If you were going to search your deck for an evolution of Beedrill, you can't search your deck since there is no other evolution after that! It's that simple.
 
What about Abra's "Ultra Evolution"? Technically speaking, you can evolve your Alakazam into another Alakazam, as it'd read, "Search your deck for Alakazam and put it into Alakazam (this counts as evolving Alakazam). Shuffle your deck afterward." Unlike with Kakuna, it specifically searches for a card named Alakazam and forces the Pokémon to evolve into that.

Also, would this mean that if you have Ditto (Legends Awakened) who fulfills the Energy requirement for Ultra Evolution or you flip heads with Smeargle's "Trace" and you happen to have Alakazam in your deck, you could evolve Ditto or Smeargle into Alakazam?
 
No. It does not. The official rulebook (as if anyone reads them) states that such a thing is known as an illegal evolution, and since neither Ditto nor Smeargle evolve into Alakazam, the attack would fail.
 
Actually, you are wrong, Zyflair. Alakazam doesn't really have an evolution link, technically. Abra just says to put it on Abra. It doesn't matter what the Pokemon is. Alakazam goes on top of it.
 
Zyflair said:
No. It does not. The official rulebook (as if anyone reads them) states that such a thing is known as an illegal evolution, and since neither Ditto nor Smeargle evolve into Alakazam, the attack would fail.
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going from this:
IF you are right, then alakazem couldn't be put onto abra, as that is an "illegal evolution".
also, the rules say that in this case you should replace abra with "this pokemon" and it doesn't say that it has to evolve from abra in any way.
 
All right, to clear everything up I decided to get something from the Compendium. I know it's referencing some old cards, but here it is.
Q. If a Promo Eevee is against a Ditto, can the ditto us the power just to look through his/her deck without evolving?
A. Nope. Ditto can't evolve, so can't even do that. (July 27 2000 WotC Chat)

Here are links to the cards if you'd like.
http://www.bbtoystore.com/Merchant2/pokemon/PK_PROMO_11.jpg Eevee
http://pokebeach.com/scans/fossil/18-ditto.jpg Ditto
 
The Compendium said:
Wake-Up Punch

Q. Vigoroth has the attack "Wake-Up Punch" which does 60 damage instead of 10 damage if Vigoroth evolved from an asleep Slakoth during this turn. If I use Broken Time-Space stadium to evolve from Slakoth to Vigoroth to Slaking all in one turn, then attach a Memory Berry to Slaking and use Vigoroth's "Wake-Up Punch", how much damage does it do?
A. Using Memory Berry substitutes "this Pokemon", i.e. Slaking, in the Wake-Up Punch attack, by the self-referencing rule. In that case, Slaking did not evolve from Slakoth this turn, but rather from Vigoroth. Therefore, the attack does only 10 damage. (Mar 26, 2009 PUI Rules Team)
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By this, it means in the case of a self referenceing attack you replace the name of the Pokemon with "this Pokemon." This would apply in all cases, not just Slaking/Vigoroth.

Does anything evolve from "this Pokemon", whether it be Alakazam or Beedrill? No, thus, it is a illegal evolution, you do not search your deck. The Game knows nothing evolves from Alakazam or Beedrill, so it knows there is nothing to search for.
 
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