I wouldnt think so lol. I didnt say anything and that was an actual card in my hand. Im not lieing.
Bluffing: What's Legal and What's Not
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That's cheating, really, it is. You can't drop cards from your hand, I read it somewhere on a report and that person got in trouble.
Is it? Wow, luckily it wasn't an official tournament 
D I S Q U A L I F I C A T I O N !
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Well... if it helps this thread... here is some official information from POP.
From Pokemon Organized Play TCG Penalty Guidelines (Revised: 9/1/2009)
7.6.4 Cheating
Players who intentionally commit infractions are looking to gain an unfair advantage over other players at the event. The Head Judge should carefully consider whether an infraction was intentional or not before applying this penalty. If the Head Judge feels that an infraction was unintentional, this penalty should not be applied.
Examples of Unsporting Conduct: Cheating include:
(There are 11 infractions listed, here is the one pertinent to this thread)
● Use of dubious game actions intended to deceive your opponent into making misplays.
Recommended Starting Penalty:
Tier 1: Disqualification
Tier 2: Disqualification
EDIT:
Another of the 11 points is -
● Lying to the event staff.
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Well... if it helps this thread... here is some official information from POP.
From Pokemon Organized Play TCG Penalty Guidelines (Revised: 9/1/2009)
7.6.4 Cheating
Players who intentionally commit infractions are looking to gain an unfair advantage over other players at the event. The Head Judge should carefully consider whether an infraction was intentional or not before applying this penalty. If the Head Judge feels that an infraction was unintentional, this penalty should not be applied.
Examples of Unsporting Conduct: Cheating include:
(There are 11 infractions listed, here is the one pertinent to this thread)
● Use of dubious game actions intended to deceive your opponent into making misplays.
Recommended Starting Penalty:
Tier 1: Disqualification
Tier 2: Disqualification
EDIT:
Another of the 11 points is -
● Lying to the event staff.
#1weavile said:
I wouldn't call many of these examples as lying, but rather as intimidation( Such as pulling out a Duskull that has nothing to do with your deck). I actually find that intimidation is perfectly acceptable, as long as it has to do with cards in your deck. However, if you're verbally and/or physically intimidating someone, it is wrong. Intimidation is also undetectable. You have the right to put/use cards to psych your opponent. As a player, they should expect all of the options available to you as possible, until actually performed. Pokemon is like chess, you have to think ahead or like your opponent. If you predict them wrong, then it's your own fault for not getting inside of their head.
As for lying, unless you're an experienced con-person, it can actually be rather easy to detect. If they won't look you in the eye, act stiff, look you in the eye too much, laugh, can't keep a straight face, or can't keep a constant tone and volume of voice, then they probably are lying.
#1weavile said:
That comes down to failing on purpose, and announcing it so the opponent would definitely hear. If he was aware that there weren't any Lv.Xs in his deck, then I guess it could be on the edge. I really see bluffing and keeping a straight face as aspects of a game, after all, you do it in games made for lying, up to games like Go Fish.
To be honest, most bluffing is not able to be proven or disproven. Yes, it is easy to tell if someone is lying, however, other then that, you may not have any evidence against him. However, the biggest piece of evidence you have is that there is no evidence with him, either.
I think lying in a game is wrong. But getting to your opponent to think your going to do something, but your not is fine.
Like me, I'm playing SPs, and say I have 3 SP's in play and my opponent is going to use a power. I could take a card from my hand and sorta mess with it and stuff. Make they think I have a power spray.
Reading your opponent's face and mind can help you in your game. I believe GaleFail did a article on it or something.
Like me, I'm playing SPs, and say I have 3 SP's in play and my opponent is going to use a power. I could take a card from my hand and sorta mess with it and stuff. Make they think I have a power spray.
Reading your opponent's face and mind can help you in your game. I believe GaleFail did a article on it or something.
Bluffing is perfectly fine, in fact, it's an important part of any competitive player's game.
But uhh, don't use references for cards that aren't actually in your deck. That's against the rules and it's a person thing to do. I.e., don't have a Dusknoir reference when you don't actually have a Dusknoir in your deck.
But uhh, don't use references for cards that aren't actually in your deck. That's against the rules and it's a person thing to do. I.e., don't have a Dusknoir reference when you don't actually have a Dusknoir in your deck.
I'm with dmaster on this one.
Lying is fine, if my opponent asks how many power spray I play, and I play 3, I could say I play four, right?
The dusknoiur incident was wrong, but you shoulcn't even show your references untill you play the card anyways :/
You can make false statements, a good player wouldn't believe you anyways.
Lying is fine, if my opponent asks how many power spray I play, and I play 3, I could say I play four, right?
The dusknoiur incident was wrong, but you shoulcn't even show your references untill you play the card anyways :/
You can make false statements, a good player wouldn't believe you anyways.
red blastoise said:
Uhh, if you're using a reference because of a foreign card in your deck, you must show the reference at all times, from the start of the game to the end - even if you aren't going to use the card being referenced. Besides, didn't the rules change this season? You aren't allowed to use foreign cards anymore?
Only 10% of your deck is allowed to be foreign cards. That's 6 cards.Krucifier said:
Anyways, I don't get the problem with a Dusknoir thing. At my previous States, I finally got my hands on a Uxie Lv.X, and I wanted it to be kept out next to my desk box as a good luck charm. Many judges went by, and they had no complaints over it. I guess telling your opponent that this is just a charm would be fine, as long as it is fine by the judges (of course, then we go to lying and stuff.)
To bluffing, I really don't know what to say. I guess it is more to how big or how much you are bluffing.
Gliscor said:
Oh right. Originally they weren't going to allow any foreign cards at all. But they've made it 6 now? That still sucks. =[
99% of the time there is nothing wrong with having a good luck charm - as long as you say it is. I say 99% of the time because every now and again you will find a judge that *DOES* have a problem with it. But it is completely against the rules to have a card out like that, and say it is a reference for a card in your deck, when you don't actually have said card in your deck.
It doesn't matter how 'big or how much' you bluff. Bluffing is not against the rules. It's a pretty big part of any competitive player's game. Play some Poker and practice.
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I don't see why bluffing would be wrong at all. Like poker, pokemon is more than just a card game. It's a game of psychology. I think lying would be OK, as if it is private thing (Hand, deck) they are not entitled to know, so no matter what you say, the actual info remains hidden. As long as you don't cheat, your emotions, expressions, and "accidents" are only affecting your opponent if they chose to let it.
Doing something to confuse your oppant is just part of the game in some ways I mean if I do three TGW's in a turn you could say that is a mind trick and that is leagal and what Stephen did at worlds now that was just smart in my op but nobody can make a ruling it is up to the judge.
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Just make sure it doesn't become unsporting, like saying "this starting hand is totally going to blow you away, you'd better drop". Other than that I don't see how it would hurt, or how anyone would really even care.
Btw, seeing how there's a big Dusknoir discussion above here, I once heard about a decklist that just ran a single Duskull and 0 Dusknoir. Just drop the Duskull on the bench and see if they still flood the bench. Yeah, that's bluffing like a pro.
Btw, seeing how there's a big Dusknoir discussion above here, I once heard about a decklist that just ran a single Duskull and 0 Dusknoir. Just drop the Duskull on the bench and see if they still flood the bench. Yeah, that's bluffing like a pro.