ORAS Changes to the Hoenn Pokédex?
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Blob55 said:
I can't think of a good place to put Unown in Hoenn, they might have to make a new one. But availability doesn't necessarily mean it needs to be in the main game, they can put some in post game.
Blob55 said:
Unown is an interesting case.
It hasn't had any love in any of the 5th gen games or X/Y so it's definitely in need of something.
They weren't in the original R/S/E... but theres kinda an ingame reason.
Unown has always been one of those Pokemon thats a 100% encounter in a cave, and the thing is there isn't really a cave in Hoenn (3rd gen Hoenn anyway) that would really fit it.
They could add some random cave in somewhere to fill that purpose... but considering the majority of Hoenn does look like its c/pasted from original R/S then it looks rather unpromising.
I think the only real way they could incorporate Unown is to include some small cave somewhere thats specifically for them.
I do agree with you, they really do need some sort of recognition. I mean... sure they're a gimmick but that doesn't mean they have to be neglected.
On a competitors site, it mentions a snippet in the new Coro leaks that states that new Pokemon are found in the Hoenn region that werent found there before- so I guess that pretty much confirms that the dex is being expanded... Now its just a question of how much and what will be added.
Bolt the Cat said:
I think it would fit Sealed Chamber and the Regis rooms or entrance rooms, if the braille was replaced by Unown. But, I prefer the use of braille to just Unown because it's fun to learn something new and also to raise awareness about blind people.
Bolt the Cat said:
Right after me talking about the sad vision we were getting, we get news about s.secret bases and a leak!
Well, I can see Ducklett/Swanna being available and a sort of rival for Wingull/Pelliper despite wanting to use and prefering the second!
Mitja said:
I just hope they don't take the road of new Megas like perhaps Jinx, Lapras, Glalie or Walrein (and others) and like they did with XY that ended up with a short Pkdex in part due to Mega-evolutions, considered (if I'm not mistaken) "new" Pokémon (yeah right)!
Well the remaining information from CoroCoro confirms that Phoebe has a Dusknoir as her main this time, so it looks like at the very least they're adding the cross gen evos. Now it's just a matter of whether or not they're going to add new families to the Dex, which I suspect they'll confirm soon (maybe next month).
Bolt the Cat said:
Yes, like I just done saying in the news thread, a properly expanded Hoenndex is now pretty much confirmed.
None of that Johtodex business where they only quietly put in the few level-up evos.
They even plain say pokemon are added to the Hoenn-dex in one of the scans, so I expect them to do what BW2 did with the Unova-dex: up it to 300.
Mitja said:
I wouldn't quite say it's confirmed yet, the "new Pokemon" comment is a little ambiguous. But I do think it's happening, it's just a matter of when they're going to announce it (hopefully next CoroCoro will show some 4th or 5th gen Pokemon in the Hoenn Dex).
Blob55 said:
Maybe they could separate it into two parts (with Rt. 118 being the dividing line), but I'm not sure if that would work out as neatly.
I added the 10 new evolutions, then reordered the hoenndex so its more grouped into areas (rather than how you personally meet the pokemon), and cut it up into those.
Looking at it like that, the more boring areas seemed to be the routes around Fortree, the safari-zone, Shoal cave, and Seafloor cavern.
I carefully added pokemon from gens I,II,IV,V to each group, trying not to overdo it, but adding at least something interesting in most of them.
This is the result:
-Poliwags in freshwater places, as surfing on those is REALLY boring (actually, it could be Tympole though to avoid too many Water Stone evolutions, but Water/Ground is overdone in comparison to Poliwrath)
-Pinecos and Cherubis I was thinking to add to petalburg woods at first, but now I've remembered the berry-tree encounters in XY, and seeing these two both imitating stuff that falls from trees, if that feature is in, those two would be cool. (Forretress adds a Bug and Steel diversity that isn't Escavalier/Scizor for a change, while Cherubi is unavailable in XY)
-Buneary above Rustburo somewhere (Hoenn lacks friendship evolutions and Buneary was one of those actually unavailable pokemon in XY).
-Drifloon (an early ghost-type is so refreshing) perhaps doing it's weekly appearance on the shore north of Rustburo somewhere
-Frillish around the Abandoned ship. Sold.
-Alomomola and Mantine to add diversity to the open sea surfing experience
-Shellos simply deserves a place in this region somewhere for almost making it into RSE, although it's ending type combo is not that exciting with Swampert/Whiscash around. It even has a land vs sea vibe in it's form difference, Im convinced that was a thought somewhere in its origin.
-Klink is really the only proper candidate to add to New Mauville (Tynamo doesn't strike me as something that would live in manmade places), probably even makes more sense than a natural cave for it like we've seen so far.
-Cottonee and Hoppip, some floaty Grass types east and west of Mauville (also a second Sun Stone user and an extra Fairy-line in this Dark dex)
-Darumaka for the Fiery path and around the volcano, brofisting with Machops ;D
-Clefairy (I was surprised they put Jigglypuff in the games that promoted the Fairy type instead of Clefairy.) and Elygems are highly appropriate for Meteor falls what with Solrock/Lunatones around the place, especially if they get any sort of expansion or secret area /wishful thinking
-improving the desert with some Sandstream (Hippopotas. which actually makes freakin sense compared to them on the cliff on the Rhyhorn path in XY.. ), gliding scorpions (Gligar) and more flora (Maractus).
-Finneon for more freshwater fishing diversity. (yet another of those few unavailable in XY)
-Yanma, Carnivine to make the paths around Fortree more exotic, perhaps some fake trees to go along with invisible chameleons.
-Larvesta for that lone cave east of Fortree.
-Misdreavus as a third ghost in the tower (it has like 5 stories IIIRC lol)
-Litwick fits Mt.Pyres theme very well, and Bronzor adds the same ritualistic feel Chimecho is there for already.
Safari:
much could be done here, but it's kind of unneeded with how diverse and colorful Hoenn already is.
-Mankey (more fighting diversity always welcome)
-Snubbull (as is Fairy)
-Stantler (Girafarig is in there so wynaut)
-Teddiursa (Phanpy is in there so wynaut)
-Nidorans for some serious 3 stage poison line action (and as a nod to Kantos safari)
-Zebstrika (it's just cool and a zebra xD)
(there'd still be room for some Hoothoots or Shuckles or Houndours (obvious Emerald bias I know) or more... like Mareeps...but we've had Mega fabulous-line in XY and BW2, so rather not)
-Shellder and Qwilfish for more spiky underwater stuff
-Tynamo and Dwebble for underwater caves (seafloor cavern)
-Seel and Sneasel for Shoal cave and Ice diversity
and that brings the number quite close to 300 already. I've had more thoughts behind thee additions than I bothered writing by the end of the list..
Last few is either some fanservice I'm hesitant to add (more pseudo legends, eeveelutions...), another starter set gaining new megas (Johto if any), or who knows what.
Looking at it like that, the more boring areas seemed to be the routes around Fortree, the safari-zone, Shoal cave, and Seafloor cavern.
I carefully added pokemon from gens I,II,IV,V to each group, trying not to overdo it, but adding at least something interesting in most of them.
This is the result:
-Poliwags in freshwater places, as surfing on those is REALLY boring (actually, it could be Tympole though to avoid too many Water Stone evolutions, but Water/Ground is overdone in comparison to Poliwrath)
-Pinecos and Cherubis I was thinking to add to petalburg woods at first, but now I've remembered the berry-tree encounters in XY, and seeing these two both imitating stuff that falls from trees, if that feature is in, those two would be cool. (Forretress adds a Bug and Steel diversity that isn't Escavalier/Scizor for a change, while Cherubi is unavailable in XY)
-Buneary above Rustburo somewhere (Hoenn lacks friendship evolutions and Buneary was one of those actually unavailable pokemon in XY).
-Drifloon (an early ghost-type is so refreshing) perhaps doing it's weekly appearance on the shore north of Rustburo somewhere
-Frillish around the Abandoned ship. Sold.
-Alomomola and Mantine to add diversity to the open sea surfing experience
-Shellos simply deserves a place in this region somewhere for almost making it into RSE, although it's ending type combo is not that exciting with Swampert/Whiscash around. It even has a land vs sea vibe in it's form difference, Im convinced that was a thought somewhere in its origin.
-Klink is really the only proper candidate to add to New Mauville (Tynamo doesn't strike me as something that would live in manmade places), probably even makes more sense than a natural cave for it like we've seen so far.
-Cottonee and Hoppip, some floaty Grass types east and west of Mauville (also a second Sun Stone user and an extra Fairy-line in this Dark dex)
-Darumaka for the Fiery path and around the volcano, brofisting with Machops ;D
-Clefairy (I was surprised they put Jigglypuff in the games that promoted the Fairy type instead of Clefairy.) and Elygems are highly appropriate for Meteor falls what with Solrock/Lunatones around the place, especially if they get any sort of expansion or secret area /wishful thinking
-improving the desert with some Sandstream (Hippopotas. which actually makes freakin sense compared to them on the cliff on the Rhyhorn path in XY.. ), gliding scorpions (Gligar) and more flora (Maractus).
-Finneon for more freshwater fishing diversity. (yet another of those few unavailable in XY)
-Yanma, Carnivine to make the paths around Fortree more exotic, perhaps some fake trees to go along with invisible chameleons.
-Larvesta for that lone cave east of Fortree.
-Misdreavus as a third ghost in the tower (it has like 5 stories IIIRC lol)
-Litwick fits Mt.Pyres theme very well, and Bronzor adds the same ritualistic feel Chimecho is there for already.
Safari:
much could be done here, but it's kind of unneeded with how diverse and colorful Hoenn already is.
-Mankey (more fighting diversity always welcome)
-Snubbull (as is Fairy)
-Stantler (Girafarig is in there so wynaut)
-Teddiursa (Phanpy is in there so wynaut)
-Nidorans for some serious 3 stage poison line action (and as a nod to Kantos safari)
-Zebstrika (it's just cool and a zebra xD)
(there'd still be room for some Hoothoots or Shuckles or Houndours (obvious Emerald bias I know) or more... like Mareeps...but we've had Mega fabulous-line in XY and BW2, so rather not)
-Shellder and Qwilfish for more spiky underwater stuff
-Tynamo and Dwebble for underwater caves (seafloor cavern)
-Seel and Sneasel for Shoal cave and Ice diversity
and that brings the number quite close to 300 already. I've had more thoughts behind thee additions than I bothered writing by the end of the list..
Last few is either some fanservice I'm hesitant to add (more pseudo legends, eeveelutions...), another starter set gaining new megas (Johto if any), or who knows what.
Mitja said:
Joltik and Rotom say hi.
I agree about Tynamo though, when we encountered it in Unova, it was always found in caves. Definitely better for Seafloor Cavern.
Mitja said:
Finneon doesn't seem very appropriate for freshwater environments, I'd put it in a sea route.
Mitja said:
At this point in the game, they can bump them up to Eelektrik and Crustle.
Also, what about Cave of Origin and Victory Road? Those places could use more interesting stuff. Victory Road in particular could use a major distribution overhaul, half of the Pokemon there are NFE counterparts of the others. They should drop the NFEs and replace them with something else.
EDIT: I think in general, you're putting the wrong focus on the wrong areas distribution wise. I mean, Rt. 111, Rt. 119, and the Safari Zone already have a diverse, unique distribution of Pokemon, but some of the areas like Rt. 112/Rt. 113/Jagged Pass, Rt. 121, and Rt. 123 either have too few Pokemon or don't have any unique species there. Rt. 123 I feel is especially important because aside from the Berry Master's House, there's not much reason to go there.
Why don't they add the Pokémon only found post-game in Emerald to the Pokédex?
That way you'd get Aipom, Ambipom, Teddiursa, Ursaring, Ledyba, Ledian, Sunkern, Sunflora, Hoothoot, Noctowl, Pineco, Forretress, Houndour, Houndoom, Miltank, Shuckle, Ditto, Smeargle, Mareep, Flaaffy, Ampharos, Spinarak, Ariados, Gligar, Gliscor, Snubbull, Granbull, Stantler, Wooper, Quagsire, Remoraid, Octillery, Bonsly, Sudowoodo, Meowth and Persian all added to the dex.
That's already 36 Pokémon right there.
And if you add the 9 Pokémon not originally in the Hoenn dex, because they weren't discovered you, you get 45.
Now, assuming this Pokédex will have about 300 Pokémon in it, we already have 247.
I'd rather see Cryogonal and Bergmite.
That way you'd get Aipom, Ambipom, Teddiursa, Ursaring, Ledyba, Ledian, Sunkern, Sunflora, Hoothoot, Noctowl, Pineco, Forretress, Houndour, Houndoom, Miltank, Shuckle, Ditto, Smeargle, Mareep, Flaaffy, Ampharos, Spinarak, Ariados, Gligar, Gliscor, Snubbull, Granbull, Stantler, Wooper, Quagsire, Remoraid, Octillery, Bonsly, Sudowoodo, Meowth and Persian all added to the dex.
That's already 36 Pokémon right there.
And if you add the 9 Pokémon not originally in the Hoenn dex, because they weren't discovered you, you get 45.
Now, assuming this Pokédex will have about 300 Pokémon in it, we already have 247.
Mitja said:
I'd rather see Cryogonal and Bergmite.
Blob55 said:
Those are good choices if you're running out of ideas, but I can't see most of these guys solving type or distribution problems.