ORAS Changes to the Hoenn Pokédex?

[Bolt the Cat]

Deerling and Sawsbuck: Changing Seasons. how else?

I doubt they'd bring Seasons back, that requires a lot of other changes to the distribution and a few to the area layouts as well. And I'd rather not see Seasons again because they lasted waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long.

Lapras: Hoenn has a big ice type problem right now, with just walrein and glalie
available.

Well yeah, Hoenn needs more Ice types. But Rt. 119/120 aren't the right places for Lapras. If you want a nice, early Ice type, I was thinking make Vanillite a gift Pokemon, maybe in Seashore House on Rt. 109.

Yamask: Desert Underpass.

So if you miss it in Mirage Tower you have to wait until post game? I don't think I'd like that. I think Yamask (or rather, Cofagrigus) is probably better off post game, I can't think of any good place to put it in the main game.

Smeargle,Kricketot,Kricketune,Druddigon: Hey, B2W2 did it( corphish,crawdaunt)

True, but I'm hoping they don't do what BW2 did. BW2 had pretty poor distribution.

 

[Their Goominess]

Yamask: Desert Underpass.

So if you miss it in Mirage Tower you have to wait until post game? I don't think I'd like that. I think Yamask (or rather, Cofagrigus) is probably better off post game, I can't think of any good place to put it in the main game.

The only place I can think Yamask/Cofagrigus would make sense would be Mt. Pyre.

 

[Leaf_Ranger]

So if you miss it in Mirage Tower you have to wait until post game? I don't think I'd like that. I think Yamask (or rather, Cofagrigus) is probably better off post game, I can't think of any good place to put it in the main game.

The only place I can think Yamask/Cofagrigus would make sense would be Mt. Pyre.

Or in a room aboard the Abandoned Ship, accessible with Dive like Yamask's mask was some treasure being transported before sinking.

 

[Bolt the Cat]

So if you miss it in Mirage Tower you have to wait until post game? I don't think I'd like that. I think Yamask (or rather, Cofagrigus) is probably better off post game, I can't think of any good place to put it in the main game.

The only place I can think Yamask/Cofagrigus would make sense would be Mt. Pyre.

Eh, I think Yamask/Cofagrigus is better suited towards a ruins area, not necessarily a cemetary. But that's just me.

I also like Leaf_Ranger's idea of Abandoned Ship, that'd be a neat encounter.

 

[Their Goominess]

The only place I can think Yamask/Cofagrigus would make sense would be Mt. Pyre.

Eh, I think Yamask/Cofagrigus is better suited towards a ruins area, not necessarily a cemetary. But that's just me.

I also like Leaf_Ranger's idea of Abandoned Ship, that'd be a neat encounter.

Considering a few of Yamask's dex entries mention it rising from the spirits of people in graves, a cemetery does seem like it could work. (but I prefer the Abandoned Ship)
I like the idea that the Abandoned Ship could hold Ghosts, in the originals there were only Tentacool/cruel and Magikarp... not really anything spooky for an abandoned ship.
Frillish should definitely be there, Yamask I can kinda see, but I think thats about it for Ghost types that could be there... the other pure Ghosts seem better suited to Mt. Pyre and the part Ghosts have other types that would imply different areas.
The Abandoned Ship needs an overhaul in terms of its wild encounters... they don't even have Wingull/Pelipper, not that they need to be seen anymore than they are, but just because it seems logical that sea birds rest there.

 

[Mitja]

I don't feel Yamask fits in Hoenn at all. Unlike Frillish.

 

[Bolt the Cat]

I don't feel Yamask fits in Hoenn at all. Unlike Frillish.

It could fit Hoenn if we had a good desert ruins area in the game. The closest thing we have is Mirage Tower, which like I said is limited access and not a good idea for an exclusive species. Maybe if they added a more permanent one somewhere in the desert (like maybe if Desert Underpass let to a new ruins area), then I could see them adding it.

 

[Leaf_Ranger]

One thing that hasn't been discused is the look of the machine itself, the Pkdex.

I'm expecting a redesign that perhaps will follow the holo trend of XY. Despite this, I would like a touch-friendly one like in HG/SS. Also, I would like if we could chose the Dex's color from a palette and with theme like the PkGear in HG/SS, having one for each evil team.
I don't want it to have that slot-like scrolling look where the Pokemon above and below the one we're seeing are somewhat flattened! As for the features, I expect the same like the originals.

 

[Bolt the Cat]

One thing that hasn't been discused is the look of the machine itself, the Pkdex.

I'm expecting a redesign that perhaps will follow the holo trend of XY. Despite this, I would like a touch-friendly one like in HG/SS. Also, I would like if we could chose the Dex's color from a palette and with theme like the PkGear in HG/SS, having one for each evil team.
I don't want it to have that slot-like scrolling look where the Pokemon above and below the one we're seeing are somewhat flattened! As for the features, I expect the same like the originals.

We've already seen what the Pokedex looks like, it basically looks like it did in the originals.

 

[Leaf_Ranger]

One thing that hasn't been discused is the look of the machine itself, the Pkdex.

I'm expecting a redesign that perhaps will follow the holo trend of XY. Despite this, I would like a touch-friendly one like in HG/SS. Also, I would like if we could chose the Dex's color from a palette and with theme like the PkGear in HG/SS, having one for each evil team.
I don't want it to have that slot-like scrolling look where the Pokemon above and below the one we're seeing are somewhat flattened! As for the features, I expect the same like the originals.

We've already seen what the Pokedex looks like, it basically looks like it did in the originals.

Ah yes...now I remember that after seeing that screenshot and being dissapointed I totally forgot about it!...This remake is more looking like just a Mega-evolution remake with updated graphics than a remake of another things!

 

[Bolt the Cat]

We've already seen what the Pokedex looks like, it basically looks like it did in the originals.

Ah yes...now I remember that after seeing that screenshot and being dissapointed I totally forgot about it!...This remake is more looking like just a Mega-evolution remake with updated graphics than a remake of another things!

My sentiments exactly. It's turning out to be disappointingly similar to the originals.

 

[Momaster12]

Ah yes...now I remember that after seeing that screenshot and being dissapointed I totally forgot about it!...This remake is more looking like just a Mega-evolution remake with updated graphics than a remake of another things!

My sentiments exactly. It's turning out to be disappointingly similar to the originals.

But isn't that what a remake is and supposed to do? I understand the Pokédex be exactly the same being a bit of a disappointment but I don't think it's fair to say the game is too much like the originals.
Also, it does look like the Pokédex will be touch friendly with that blue button at the bottom and those next to it.

 

[Leaf_Ranger]

My sentiments exactly. It's turning out to be disappointingly similar to the originals.

But isn't that what a remake is and supposed to do? I understand the Pokédex be exactly the same being a bit of a disappointment but I don't think it's fair to say the game is too much like the originals.
Also, it does look like the Pokédex will be touch friendly with that blue button at the bottom and those next to it.

If I had only played LG/FR I would say yes without a doubt but HG/SS made a new move when it comes to remakes for being a remake of paired versions and yet it absorbed the story from Crystal. Sure, those first remakes also added the Sevii Islands but aside from that, everything else remained more or less the same. When AS/OR were announced, people were thinking (I for sure was) that it would be more like HG/SS, namely having Emerald's story because Magma's hideout being in a cove in Lilycove looks ridiculous and having evil teams sharing the same exact dialogue and places to further their goals is lame, but from a couple of screenshots it seems otherwise.
Updating Hoenn with 3D and Mega-Evolution might be awesome for some but I'm thinking that most people were hoping for some more and those two features aren't enough to make most of people play the otherwise exactly same game as they've played some 10 years ago. Perhaps we had our hopes high, who knows.
Still, while I'm disappointed, I still know that there's Tokyo Game Show, there's some CoroCoro to be leaked and published and so in the meantime things can be revelaed that will change my opinion but, as it is, it's looking disappointing.

PS: I didn't saw that blue button at the bottom of the Dex (well done!) but still, it's looking to much the same like it was and way to bland.

 

[Blob55]

My sentiments exactly. It's turning out to be disappointingly similar to the originals.

But isn't that what a remake is and supposed to do? I understand the Pokédex be exactly the same being a bit of a disappointment but I don't think it's fair to say the game is too much like the originals.
Also, it does look like the Pokédex will be touch friendly with that blue button at the bottom and those next to it.

But FRLG completely re-did the Pokédex and HGSS looks nothing like the original from GSC.

 

[Bolt the Cat]

My sentiments exactly. It's turning out to be disappointingly similar to the originals.

But isn't that what a remake is and supposed to do? I understand the Pokédex be exactly the same being a bit of a disappointment but I don't think it's fair to say the game is too much like the originals.
Also, it does look like the Pokédex will be touch friendly with that blue button at the bottom and those next to it.

The only thing a remake needs to do is retain the core experience and fit it to work for a newer generation, that doesn't require them to make it a virtual copy/paste of the originals. They can take liberties where they need to. In fact, I would rather they do take liberties that improve the experience. There's several changes they can make to the region design, Pokedex, and storyline that would improve upon the originals yet they refuse to make those changes.

But isn't that what a remake is and supposed to do? I understand the Pokédex be exactly the same being a bit of a disappointment but I don't think it's fair to say the game is too much like the originals.
Also, it does look like the Pokédex will be touch friendly with that blue button at the bottom and those next to it.

If I had only played LG/FR I would say yes without a doubt but HG/SS made a new move when it comes to remakes for being a remake of paired versions and yet it absorbed the story from Crystal. Sure, those first remakes also added the Sevii Islands but aside from that, everything else remained more or less the same. When AS/OR were announced, people were thinking (I for sure was) that it would be more like HG/SS, namely having Emerald's story because Magma's hideout being in a cove in Lilycove looks ridiculous and having evil teams sharing the same exact dialogue and places to further their goals is lame, but from a couple of screenshots it seems otherwise.
Updating Hoenn with 3D and Mega-Evolution might be awesome for some but I'm thinking that most people were hoping for some more and those two feautres aren't enough to make most of people play the otherwise exactly same game as they've played some 10 years ago. Perhaps we had our hopes high, who knows.
Still, while I'm disappointed, I still now that there's Tokyo Game Show, there's some CoroCoro to be leaked and published and so in the meantime things can be revelaed that will change my opinion but, as it is, it's looking disappointing.

PS: I didn't saw that blue button at the bottom of the Dex (well done!) but still, it's looking to much the same like it was and way to bland.

I'd say even HGSS was too much of a copy/paste in some ways, I mean by 4th gen a lot of 1st and 2nd gen Pokemon were improved with new evolutions and they had finally designed enough Dragon and Ghost types for there to be a decent variety, but did HGSS even bother fixing those issues? No. Did they fix the issue with Johto being horribly small and Kanto being horribly empty? Well, they improved on Kanto a little bit, but it still felt like a downgrade from RBYFRLG, so no. To be fair some of GSCHGSS's problems are a part of their core design and Johto can't be completely redeemed until it gets a sequel that cuts its ties to Kanto, so I can give it some leeway compared to FRLG and ORAS, but there was definitely more they could've done to improve the experience.

Now for ORAS, the last game we got before the start of 6th gen broke new ground for the series and raised the bar for what we could see in mid gen games, so I expected that Game Freak would've applied some of those innovations to how they approach remakes and make more improvements to the originals than FRLG and HGSS did to their original games. But that's not the case, they seem intent on recreating the entire experience as it was in the originals onto 6th gen's engine, and the games feel like a step backwards as a result.

 

[Blob55]

But that's not the case, they seem intent on recreating the entire experience as it was in the originals onto 6th gen's engine, and the games feel like a step backwards as a result.

I hope they at least base it more on Emerald, as Emerald had more trainers and there was a whole cave of Ditto! Plus the BF, Gym Leader re-matches and I find it's one of the best third games ever made. It makes Platinum look empty in comparison.

 

[Bolt the Cat]

I hope they at least base it more on Emerald, as Emerald had more trainers and there was a whole cave of Ditto! Plus the BF, Gym Leader re-matches and I find it's one of the best third games ever made. It makes Platinum look empty in comparison.

I expect them to carry over most of those elements, but I disagree that Platinum is empty by comparison, because while Emerald mainly made storyline changes and added a handful of areas to post game, Platinum made much more significant changes to the game, most notably by expanding the Sinnoh Dex.

 

[Momaster12]

But isn't that what a remake is and supposed to do? I understand the Pokédex be exactly the same being a bit of a disappointment but I don't think it's fair to say the game is too much like the originals.
Also, it does look like the Pokédex will be touch friendly with that blue button at the bottom and those next to it.

But FRLG completely re-did the Pokédex and HGSS looks nothing like the original from GSC.

Yes and for a good reason, the original Pokédex was bland, and it had to be bland for the GB/C. I would be shocked to if it wasn't redesigned, especially with the new software with the GBA and DS. The RSE Pokédex started a new trend for the Pokédex (I know RSE and GSC are similar, but the RSE dex is a better example because of the updated info screen, the scrolling to but only a little). Every Pokédex since then has had scrolling names and an image next to those names, click on the Pokémon and an info screen would be shown (with the exception of FRLG). Then HGSS realized the clicking wasn't necessary because of the 2 screens showing information and added the boxes scrolling. Then BW went back to the more RSE route. Then XY was more like HGSS. All of these influenced by the RSE dex. Also, there will still probably be that top info screen like in HGSS.

Spoiler: Evolution of the Pokédex

If anything this Pokédex is more like the DPPt dex.

 

[Blob55]

I miss the FRLG dex, with the type of locations you'd find Pokémon in.
Also, I miss the DP dex, as it added the coolest features.

 

[Bolt the Cat]

CoroCoro mentioned that there are "different Pokemon in Hoenn than before", which means that an expanded Hoenn Dex is looking more and more likely.

Faith in this game restored.