Counter That Pokemon! - Round 20
- Thread starter Professor Palutena
- Start date
RE: Counter That Pokemon! - Round 7
Metagross @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Meteor Mash
- Ice Punch
- Bullet Punch
- Stealth Rock
Hurricane from Tornadus-T has a 0% chance of 2HKOing even with hazards up and a chance of missing the 3HKO (might need hazards not to be present for that to happen though). Meteor Mash or Ice Punch on one turn followed by Bullet Punch is a guaranteed KO, and Stealth Rock can be used if the Tornadus-T switches or uses U-Turn in order to hurt it drastically when it next switches in-Stealth Rock damage combined with Meteor Mash or Ice Punch is an OHKO.
Metagross @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Meteor Mash
- Ice Punch
- Bullet Punch
- Stealth Rock
Hurricane from Tornadus-T has a 0% chance of 2HKOing even with hazards up and a chance of missing the 3HKO (might need hazards not to be present for that to happen though). Meteor Mash or Ice Punch on one turn followed by Bullet Punch is a guaranteed KO, and Stealth Rock can be used if the Tornadus-T switches or uses U-Turn in order to hurt it drastically when it next switches in-Stealth Rock damage combined with Meteor Mash or Ice Punch is an OHKO.
RE: Counter That Pokemon! - Round 7
Terrakion @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Justified
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Nature: Jolly (+Spe, -SpA)
-Close Combat
-Stone Edge
-X-Scissor
-Rock Slide
Standard Choice Scarf Terrakion that out speeds Tornadus-T and avoids an OHKO from Hurricane or Superpower, even with SR up. It should probably use Rock Slide because it is a guaranteed OHKO after Life Orb damage, and if you're feeling risky, you can go for Stone Edge, which isn't even necessary. Good counter in my opinion. Not the best, but still reliable, even in Rain.
Hurricane to Terrakion = 77.46 - 90.74 (2HKO after SR)
Superpower to Terrakion = same amount of damage as Hurricane
Stone Edge to Tornadus-T = 132.44 - 155.18%
Rock Slide to Tornadus-T = 99.66 - 117.05%
Terrakion @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Justified
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Nature: Jolly (+Spe, -SpA)
-Close Combat
-Stone Edge
-X-Scissor
-Rock Slide
Standard Choice Scarf Terrakion that out speeds Tornadus-T and avoids an OHKO from Hurricane or Superpower, even with SR up. It should probably use Rock Slide because it is a guaranteed OHKO after Life Orb damage, and if you're feeling risky, you can go for Stone Edge, which isn't even necessary. Good counter in my opinion. Not the best, but still reliable, even in Rain.
Hurricane to Terrakion = 77.46 - 90.74 (2HKO after SR)
Superpower to Terrakion = same amount of damage as Hurricane
Stone Edge to Tornadus-T = 132.44 - 155.18%
Rock Slide to Tornadus-T = 99.66 - 117.05%
RE: Counter That Pokemon! - Round 7
Chansey @ Eviolite
Natural Cure
252 Def/252 HP/4 Sp Def
Bold
- Thunder Wave
- Seismic Toss
- Stealth Rock
- Softboiled
Yeah, fairly standard yet effective counter. Chansey can tank any hit from Tornadus (including Superpower) and Twave to cripple Tornadus for the rest of the match or wear it down with Seismic Toss. SR because Stealth Rock is probably the most important mechanic right now.
Also @The Yoshi: I don't really like Terrakion as a counter because if he has taken any prior game (or if a layer or two of Spikes is up) he'll be OHKO'd. He's a check at best.
Chilledit: Tornadus' Superpower only 3HKOs, not including Attack drops.
Chansey @ Eviolite
Natural Cure
252 Def/252 HP/4 Sp Def
Bold
- Thunder Wave
- Seismic Toss
- Stealth Rock
- Softboiled
Yeah, fairly standard yet effective counter. Chansey can tank any hit from Tornadus (including Superpower) and Twave to cripple Tornadus for the rest of the match or wear it down with Seismic Toss. SR because Stealth Rock is probably the most important mechanic right now.
Also @The Yoshi: I don't really like Terrakion as a counter because if he has taken any prior game (or if a layer or two of Spikes is up) he'll be OHKO'd. He's a check at best.
Chilledit: Tornadus' Superpower only 3HKOs, not including Attack drops.
RE: Counter That Pokemon! - Round 7
Rotom-W @Leftovers
252 HP/252 SpAtk/4 Spe
Modest Nature
-Hydro Pump
-Pain Split
-Will o' Wisp
-Volt Switch
Best Tornadus-T can do is 3HKO:
252SpAtk Life Orb Tornadus Therian (Neutral) Hurricane vs 252HP/0SpDef Leftovers Levitate Rotom (Neutral): 35% - 41% (107 - 126 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO.
While Rotom can OHKO with both Hydro Pump and Volt Switch (assuming rain) and can troll with Pain Split:
252SpAtk Rotom (+SAtk) Hydro Pump in Rain vs 0HP/0SpDef Leftovers Tornadus Therian (-SpDef): 113% - 133% (339 - 399 HP). Guaranteed OHKO
252SpAtk Rotom (+SAtk) Volt Switch vs 0HP/0SpDef Leftovers Tornadus Therian (-SpDef): 88% - 104% (264 - 312 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 27% chance to OHKO.
Note that Volt Switch is preferred, it OHKOs after two Life Orb recoils by Tornadus-T and if Tornadus-T U-Turns you also switch out after to gain the upper hand.
Rotom-W @Leftovers
252 HP/252 SpAtk/4 Spe
Modest Nature
-Hydro Pump
-Pain Split
-Will o' Wisp
-Volt Switch
Best Tornadus-T can do is 3HKO:
252SpAtk Life Orb Tornadus Therian (Neutral) Hurricane vs 252HP/0SpDef Leftovers Levitate Rotom (Neutral): 35% - 41% (107 - 126 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO.
While Rotom can OHKO with both Hydro Pump and Volt Switch (assuming rain) and can troll with Pain Split:
252SpAtk Rotom (+SAtk) Hydro Pump in Rain vs 0HP/0SpDef Leftovers Tornadus Therian (-SpDef): 113% - 133% (339 - 399 HP). Guaranteed OHKO
252SpAtk Rotom (+SAtk) Volt Switch vs 0HP/0SpDef Leftovers Tornadus Therian (-SpDef): 88% - 104% (264 - 312 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 27% chance to OHKO.
Note that Volt Switch is preferred, it OHKOs after two Life Orb recoils by Tornadus-T and if Tornadus-T U-Turns you also switch out after to gain the upper hand.
RE: Counter That Pokemon! - Round 7
Bippa, you forgot to give me a point for the last round.
Anyways, here's how to counter Tornadus-T
Bronzong @Leftovers (2 Speed IV's)
252 HP / 84 Atk / 80 Def / 92 SDef
Sassy Nature
-Stealth Rock
-Hidden Power Ice
-Gyro Ball
-Toxic/Earthquake
It's bulky enough to withstand all of Tornadus-T's moves multiple times, and it can finish off Tornadus-T either with HP Ice or by doing that while Toxic-ing it. If it decides to Superpower Bronzong, it's lowering it's defenses for an incoming Gyro Ball. Toxic can stall it out with added damage per turn while Earthquake provides more coverage against Steel Types that wall Bronzong but in this situation since we're dealing with Tornadus-T, Toxic is a better option.
Bippa, you forgot to give me a point for the last round.
Anyways, here's how to counter Tornadus-T
Bronzong @Leftovers (2 Speed IV's)
252 HP / 84 Atk / 80 Def / 92 SDef
Sassy Nature
-Stealth Rock
-Hidden Power Ice
-Gyro Ball
-Toxic/Earthquake
It's bulky enough to withstand all of Tornadus-T's moves multiple times, and it can finish off Tornadus-T either with HP Ice or by doing that while Toxic-ing it. If it decides to Superpower Bronzong, it's lowering it's defenses for an incoming Gyro Ball. Toxic can stall it out with added damage per turn while Earthquake provides more coverage against Steel Types that wall Bronzong but in this situation since we're dealing with Tornadus-T, Toxic is a better option.
RE: Counter That Pokemon! - Round 7
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Zapdos @Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
Calm Nature
248 HP/228 SpDef/32 Spe
~Discharge
~Roost
~Heat Wave
~Hidden Power Grass
The EVs allow Zapdos to tank Hurricanes very effectively. Discharge, while not the most powerful option can threaten to paralyze, which is huge in OU. Roost to heal itself, since we have to assume Stealth Rock is up. Last 2 moves are irrelevant for countering Tornadus, but they give it the best coverage in OU, for Ferrothorn, Scizor, and Gastrotdon.
Hurricane vs 252/228 Calm Zapdos
23.5-27.42%
4 hits to KO factoring in Stealth Rock
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Zapdos @Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
Calm Nature
248 HP/228 SpDef/32 Spe
~Discharge
~Roost
~Heat Wave
~Hidden Power Grass
The EVs allow Zapdos to tank Hurricanes very effectively. Discharge, while not the most powerful option can threaten to paralyze, which is huge in OU. Roost to heal itself, since we have to assume Stealth Rock is up. Last 2 moves are irrelevant for countering Tornadus, but they give it the best coverage in OU, for Ferrothorn, Scizor, and Gastrotdon.
Hurricane vs 252/228 Calm Zapdos
23.5-27.42%
4 hits to KO factoring in Stealth Rock
RE: Counter That Pokemon! - Round 7
No, because the only hazard we assume is up at the point is Stealth Rock, so Terrakion lives. I agree it is a shaky check, but it gets its job done. I could actually even invest in SpD a little bit to take Hurricane a bit better, but it really isn't necessary.
Edit: @One Approved, I just a did a damage calc, and:
HP Ice vs. Zapdos = 37.33 - 44.12%
That's about a 70% chance to KO after Stealth Rock, and also:
Discharge to Tornadus-T = 86.28 - 101%
That's a 12.5% chance to OHKO, so unless you KO it, it will beat. It's a shaky counter.
Chillarmy said:
No, because the only hazard we assume is up at the point is Stealth Rock, so Terrakion lives. I agree it is a shaky check, but it gets its job done. I could actually even invest in SpD a little bit to take Hurricane a bit better, but it really isn't necessary.
Edit: @One Approved, I just a did a damage calc, and:
HP Ice vs. Zapdos = 37.33 - 44.12%
That's about a 70% chance to KO after Stealth Rock, and also:
Discharge to Tornadus-T = 86.28 - 101%
That's a 12.5% chance to OHKO, so unless you KO it, it will beat. It's a shaky counter.
RE: Counter That Pokemon! - Round 7
But this game is called Counter That Pokemon, not Check That Pokemon. If it was the latter I would post my Focus Sash Alakazam for half these rounds.
I'm actually kind of suprised this Tornadus-T has HP Ice. You're already beating Dragonite, Landorus, and Gliscor with Hurricane, while Thundurus-T can't really take repeated hits at all. I would much rather see Taunt on that Tornadus-T
But this game is called Counter That Pokemon, not Check That Pokemon. If it was the latter I would post my Focus Sash Alakazam for half these rounds.
I'm actually kind of suprised this Tornadus-T has HP Ice. You're already beating Dragonite, Landorus, and Gliscor with Hurricane, while Thundurus-T can't really take repeated hits at all. I would much rather see Taunt on that Tornadus-T
RE: Counter That Pokemon! - Round 7
HP Ice beats them better. :3
Not accepting Zapdos and Terrakion, because they are checks at most. Try again if you want Points.
@Emvee: 4 SpAtk Reuniclus Psyshock vs 252 HP/216 Def Tentacruel (+Def) : 56.04% - 66.76% (2 hits to KO)
Tentacruel can set up a Toxic Spikes on the turn you switch in, put the second one up on the turn you Psyshock, and do the random spin on the turn you kill it. Reuniclus didn't stop Tentacruel from doing its jobs.
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HP Ice beats them better. :3
Not accepting Zapdos and Terrakion, because they are checks at most. Try again if you want Points.
@Emvee: 4 SpAtk Reuniclus Psyshock vs 252 HP/216 Def Tentacruel (+Def) : 56.04% - 66.76% (2 hits to KO)
Tentacruel can set up a Toxic Spikes on the turn you switch in, put the second one up on the turn you Psyshock, and do the random spin on the turn you kill it. Reuniclus didn't stop Tentacruel from doing its jobs.
Feel free to send me a Profile Comment or Private Message if you'd like to discuss this further.
RE: Counter That Pokemon! - Round 7
Alright I'll try again.
Bronzong @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 84 Atk / 80 Def / 92 SpD
IVs: 2 Spe
Nature: Sassy
-Stealth Rock
-Gyro Ball
-Toxic
-Earthquake
Tanks any hit from Tornadus with ease and fires back with a very powerful Gyro Ball because of the difference in speed. If Tornadus uses U-Turn and switches out, Bronzong can set up SR so it can OHKO from SR damage. Toxic and Earthquake are filler, but contribute to the viability of Bronzong in OU. Actually, if Tornadus uses Superpower on the switch, then Bronzong has a good chance to OHKO because of the Defense drop.
Superpower to Bronzong = 27.81 - 32.54% (4HKO after SR)
-1 Superpower to Bronzong = 24.85 - 29.28%
Gyro Ball to Tornadus-T = 62.54 - 73.57% (2HKO)
Gyro Ball to -1 Def Tornadus-T = 93.31 - 109.69% (62.5% chance to OHKO)
Alright I'll try again.
Bronzong @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 84 Atk / 80 Def / 92 SpD
IVs: 2 Spe
Nature: Sassy
-Stealth Rock
-Gyro Ball
-Toxic
-Earthquake
Tanks any hit from Tornadus with ease and fires back with a very powerful Gyro Ball because of the difference in speed. If Tornadus uses U-Turn and switches out, Bronzong can set up SR so it can OHKO from SR damage. Toxic and Earthquake are filler, but contribute to the viability of Bronzong in OU. Actually, if Tornadus uses Superpower on the switch, then Bronzong has a good chance to OHKO because of the Defense drop.
Superpower to Bronzong = 27.81 - 32.54% (4HKO after SR)
-1 Superpower to Bronzong = 24.85 - 29.28%
Gyro Ball to Tornadus-T = 62.54 - 73.57% (2HKO)
Gyro Ball to -1 Def Tornadus-T = 93.31 - 109.69% (62.5% chance to OHKO)
RE: Counter That Pokemon! - Round 7
Oh wow, um...I'll think of something else.
Edit: Okay this is my third try (hopefully).
Regirock @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 160 Def
Nature: Impish (+Def, -SpA)
-Stealth Rock
-Thunder Wave
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake
Regirock is actually very viable in OU because of its ability to act as a tank while it lays hazards and spreads paralysis, while tanking physical hits from multiple Fighting types in OU. This set works to counter Tornadus by taking a Superpower or Hurricane and then firing back the next turn with Stone Edge. The Superpower drop contributes to Regirock's ability to tank hits, and Hurricane is a possible 4HKO. Earthquake is filler, but is also what makes it viable in OU.
Hurricane to Regirock = 31.31 - 37.08% (guaranteed 4HKO)
Superpower to Regirock = 29.39 - 34.34%
Stone Edge to Tornadus-T = 96.32 - 113.04% (OHKOs after LO damage)
Oh wow, um...I'll think of something else.
Edit: Okay this is my third try (hopefully).
Regirock @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 160 Def
Nature: Impish (+Def, -SpA)
-Stealth Rock
-Thunder Wave
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake
Regirock is actually very viable in OU because of its ability to act as a tank while it lays hazards and spreads paralysis, while tanking physical hits from multiple Fighting types in OU. This set works to counter Tornadus by taking a Superpower or Hurricane and then firing back the next turn with Stone Edge. The Superpower drop contributes to Regirock's ability to tank hits, and Hurricane is a possible 4HKO. Earthquake is filler, but is also what makes it viable in OU.
Hurricane to Regirock = 31.31 - 37.08% (guaranteed 4HKO)
Superpower to Regirock = 29.39 - 34.34%
Stone Edge to Tornadus-T = 96.32 - 113.04% (OHKOs after LO damage)
RE: Counter That Pokemon! - Round 7
Lets get another Regi bro in here
Registeel
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Careful
EVs: 252 HP / 100 Def / 156 SpDef
- Stealth Rock
- Thunder Wave
- Iron Head
- Ice Punch
4/252 Naive Tornadus-Therian Hurricane vs. 252/100/156+ Registeel: 18.13% - 21.43%
4/252 Naive Tornadus-Therian Superpower vs. 252/100/156+ Registeel: 40.66% - 48.35%
0/0 Careful Registeel Ice Punch vs. Tornadus-Therian: 34.11% - 40.8%
0/0 Careful Registeel Iron Head vs. Tornadus-Therian: 27.42% - 32.44%
Not the best or most convincing counter but it will get the job done.
Lets get another Regi bro in here
Registeel
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Careful
EVs: 252 HP / 100 Def / 156 SpDef
- Stealth Rock
- Thunder Wave
- Iron Head
- Ice Punch
4/252 Naive Tornadus-Therian Hurricane vs. 252/100/156+ Registeel: 18.13% - 21.43%
4/252 Naive Tornadus-Therian Superpower vs. 252/100/156+ Registeel: 40.66% - 48.35%
0/0 Careful Registeel Ice Punch vs. Tornadus-Therian: 34.11% - 40.8%
0/0 Careful Registeel Iron Head vs. Tornadus-Therian: 27.42% - 32.44%
Not the best or most convincing counter but it will get the job done.
RE: Counter That Pokemon! - Round 7
For this reason, i'd like to bring Registeel, Regirock, and every Lanturn set that has been posted in this thread. They are not viable in OU. They aren't. Feel free to argue with me.
Also Bippa, if checks aren't counted for points, then why do you list the guidelines to being a check in the OP? in bold and in red? Just curious on that point.
The OP said:
For this reason, i'd like to bring Registeel, Regirock, and every Lanturn set that has been posted in this thread. They are not viable in OU. They aren't. Feel free to argue with me.
Also Bippa, if checks aren't counted for points, then why do you list the guidelines to being a check in the OP? in bold and in red? Just curious on that point.
RE: Counter That Pokemon! - Round 7
The criteria for a counter is there because it's obviously got to do with the game. Check's definition is there for completeness.
/me thinks Teapot should wait to see the points before he gets TM83'd.
Round 8 coming in a few hours. Nice creativity in this round everyone.
The criteria for a counter is there because it's obviously got to do with the game. Check's definition is there for completeness.
/me thinks Teapot should wait to see the points before he gets TM83'd.
Round 8 coming in a few hours. Nice creativity in this round everyone.
RE: Counter That Pokemon! - Round 7
Lanturn is actually pretty viable. Not only does it check/counter quite a few Pokemon (Tornadus, Thundurus, Politoed, Rotom-W, some Jirachi, and Starmie just to name a few), it's also a good defensive pivot and can really support its teamates with Heal Bell and Scald. It's a Pokemon that's only as good as the metageme lets it. The same can be said about Ditto, Gastrodon, and Dugtrio who can all be moved to lower tiers and still be good as long as they can do their jobs.
Fun fact: those six Pokemon I listed are all in the top 15 and are major parts to rain teams.
Lanturn is actually pretty viable. Not only does it check/counter quite a few Pokemon (Tornadus, Thundurus, Politoed, Rotom-W, some Jirachi, and Starmie just to name a few), it's also a good defensive pivot and can really support its teamates with Heal Bell and Scald. It's a Pokemon that's only as good as the metageme lets it. The same can be said about Ditto, Gastrodon, and Dugtrio who can all be moved to lower tiers and still be good as long as they can do their jobs.
Fun fact: those six Pokemon I listed are all in the top 15 and are major parts to rain teams.
RE: Counter That Pokemon! - Round 7
Gonna get some points in before I go to bed.
SS gets 2 points.
TDL gets 1
DV gets 1
Chill gets 1
benny gets 1
Emvee gets 1
Yoshi gets 1
Pride gets 1
Round 8
Not going to post sprite cause on my phone.
Jirachi @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Substitute
- Calm Mind
- Thunder
- Water Pulse
Note: I'm going to spice up this game starting now with a challenge. If you want points this round, you cannot use the following Pokemon: Quagsire, Gastrodon, and any other Pokemon that is immune to both Thunder and Water Pulse.
I will update the points in the morning.
Gonna get some points in before I go to bed.
SS gets 2 points.
TDL gets 1
DV gets 1
Chill gets 1
benny gets 1
Emvee gets 1
Yoshi gets 1
Pride gets 1
Round 8
Not going to post sprite cause on my phone.
Jirachi @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Substitute
- Calm Mind
- Thunder
- Water Pulse
Note: I'm going to spice up this game starting now with a challenge. If you want points this round, you cannot use the following Pokemon: Quagsire, Gastrodon, and any other Pokemon that is immune to both Thunder and Water Pulse.
I will update the points in the morning.
RE: Counter That Pokemon! - Round 7
Abomasnow @ Leftovers
188 HP / 252 Atk / 68 Spe
Snow Warning
Adamant
- Ice Shard
- Seed Bomb
- Protect
- Earthquake
+0 Jirachi's Water Pulse: 6.8% - 7.9%
+1 Jirachi's Water Pulse: 10.1% - 12%
+5 Jirachi's Water Pulse: 23.4% - 27.7%
+0 Jirachi's Thunder: 13.3% - 15.8%
+1 Jirachi's Thunder: 20.1% - 23.6%
+5 Jirachi's Thunder: 46.7% - 55.2%
+0 Abomasnow's Earthquake: 47% - 55.4%
Earthquake is all that really matters. Protect for if you need a little bit of extra health. I guess you could run Leech Seed, but it's really not needed.
Beating this Jirachi is actually pretty hard due to the chance of full para and confusion. Most of the things that can take the hits (see: Grass- and Dragon-types) will not like the paralysis or, mostly in the Grass-type case, inability to break through Jirachi.
I would post Ninetales, but Abomasnow is a pretty cool guy who doesn't mind paralysis as much as Ninetales.
Abomasnow @ Leftovers
188 HP / 252 Atk / 68 Spe
Snow Warning
Adamant
- Ice Shard
- Seed Bomb
- Protect
- Earthquake
+0 Jirachi's Water Pulse: 6.8% - 7.9%
+1 Jirachi's Water Pulse: 10.1% - 12%
+5 Jirachi's Water Pulse: 23.4% - 27.7%
+0 Jirachi's Thunder: 13.3% - 15.8%
+1 Jirachi's Thunder: 20.1% - 23.6%
+5 Jirachi's Thunder: 46.7% - 55.2%
+0 Abomasnow's Earthquake: 47% - 55.4%
Earthquake is all that really matters. Protect for if you need a little bit of extra health. I guess you could run Leech Seed, but it's really not needed.
Beating this Jirachi is actually pretty hard due to the chance of full para and confusion. Most of the things that can take the hits (see: Grass- and Dragon-types) will not like the paralysis or, mostly in the Grass-type case, inability to break through Jirachi.
I would post Ninetales, but Abomasnow is a pretty cool guy who doesn't mind paralysis as much as Ninetales.