Discussion Crown Zenith Partial Set List

beatbox2000 said:
Think you've looked at the wrong card? It's Paras.

But anyway, you can just check the current Japanese order. (Look at where Manaphy is placed, but really everything revealed should show you that there are too many and not enough spaces.) Based on the all the identified Pokemon, the line up is impossible following traditional order. Now that they have revealed the 9 connecting cards though, it makes sense once you move them to the back.

And I don't think the 9 cards are ordered via energy either but how you would look at them in a 3x3 binder.

edit: If you're on the Discord, just post something so I can send you the link.
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I have Discord, do you have the link
 
beatbox2000 said:
Think you've looked at the wrong card? It's Paras.

But anyway, you can just check the current Japanese order. (Look at where Manaphy is placed, but really everything revealed should show you that there are too many and not enough spaces.) Based on the all the identified Pokemon, the line up is impossible following traditional order. Now that they have revealed the 9 connecting cards though, it makes sense once you move them to the back.

And I don't think the 9 cards are ordered via energy either but how you would look at them in a 3x3 binder.

edit: If you're on the Discord, just post something so I can send you the link.
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my discord is dineinunes#1797
 
So I decided to compile the japanese numberings so we can get a better look (and better speculate) and also updated my list to reflect this.

[173] AR Hisuian Voltorb (Astral Radiance)
[174*] AR Kricketune (Astral Radiance)
[175*] AR Magmortar (Brilliant Stars)
[176] AR Oricorio (Fusion Strike)
[177] AR Lapras (Brilliant Stars)
[178] AR Manaphy (Brilliant Stars)
[179*] AR Keldeo (Astral Radiance)
[180*] AR Electivire (Brilliant Stars)
[181*] AR Toxtricity (Fusion Strike)
[182] AR Galarian Articuno (Chilling Reign)
[183] AR Mew (Celebrations)
[184] AR Lunatone (Pokémon Go)
[185] AR Deoxys (Fusion Strike)
[186] AR Diancie (Pokémon Go)
[187*] AR Comfey (Lost Origin)
[188] AR Galarian Zapdos (Chilling Reign)
[189] AR Solrock (Pokémon Go)
[190] AR Galarian Moltres (Chilling Reign)
[191] AR Absol (Astral Radiance)
[192] AR Thievul (Astral Radiance)
[193] AR Magnezone (Astral Radiance)
[194] AR Altaria (Evolving Skies)
[195] AR Latias (Fusion Strike)
[196] AR Hisuian Goodra (Lost Origin)
[197] AR Ditto (Pokémon Go)
[198] AR Dunsparce (Fusion Strike)
[199] AR Miltank (Astral Radiance)
[200] AR Bibarel (Brilliant Stars)
[201] AR Riolu (Brilliant Stars)
[202] AR Swablu (Evolving Skies)
[203] AR Duskull (Brilliant Stars)
[204] AR Bidoof (previously unreleased)
[205] AR Pikachu (Lost Origin)
[206] AR Turtwig (Brilliant Stars)
[207] AR Paras (Lost Origin)
[208*] AR Mareep (Evolving Skies)
[209*] AR Poochyena (Astral Radiance)
[210] SAR Leafeon VSTAR (Promo)
[??] SAR Charizard V (Brilliant Stars)
[??] SAR Charizard VMAX (Darkness Ablaze)
[212] SAR Charizard VSTAR (Brilliant Stars)
[213] SAR Entei V (Brilliant Stars)
[214] SAR Simisear VSTAR (previously unreleased)
[215] SAR Suicune V (Evolving Skies)
[216] SAR Lumineon V (Brilliant Stars)
[217] SAR Glaceon VSTAR (Promo)
[218] SAR Raikou V (Brilliant Stars)
[219] SAR Zeraora VMAX (Promo)
[220] SAR Zeraora VSTAR (Promo)
[221] SAR Mewtwo VSTAR (Pokémon Go)
[222] SAR Deoxys VMAX (Promo)
[223] SAR Deoxys VSTAR (Promo)
[224] SAR Hatterene VMAX (previously unreleased)
[225] SAR Zacian V (Celebrations)
[226] SAR Lucario VSTAR (Promo)
[227*] SAR Galarian Moltres V (Speculation)
[228*] SAR Drapion V (Speculation)
[229*] SAR Darkrai VSTAR (Astral Radiance)
[230] SAR Hisuian Samurott VSTAR (Astral Radiance)
[231*] SAR Genesect V (Speculation)
[232] SAR Zamazenta V (Brilliant Stars)
[233] SAR Regigigas VSTAR (previously unreleased)
[234] SAR Hisuian Zoroark VSTAR (Lost Origin)
[235*] SAR Colress's Experiment (Speculation)
[236] SAR Irida (Astral Radiance)
[237] SAR Raihan (Evolving Skies)
[238*] SAR Grant (Speculation)
[239] SAR Cynthia's Ambition (Brilliant Stars)
[240] SAR Adaman (Astral Radiance)
[241*] SAR Cheren's Care (Speculation)
[242] SAR Roxanne (Astral Radiance)
[243] SAR Gardenia's Vigor (Astral Radiance)
[244*] SAR Melony (Chilling Reign)
[245] SR Volo (Lost Origin)
[246] SR Elesa's Sparkle (Fusion Strike)
[247] SR Friends in Sinnoh (previously unreleased)
[248*] SR Professor's Research - Professor Rowan (Speculation)
[249] SR Friends in Hisui (previously unreleased)
[250*] SR Boss's Orders - Cyrus (Brilliant Stars)
[251*] SR Grass Energy
[252*] SR Fire Energy
[253*] SR Water Energy
[254*] SR Lightning Energy
[255*] SR Psychic Energy
[256*] SR Fighting Energy
[257] SR Darkness Energy
[258*] SR Metal Energy
[259] UR Palkia VSTAR (Astral Radiance)
[260] UR Dialga VSTAR (Astral Radiance)
[261*] UR Giratina VSTAR (Speculation)
[262] UR Arceus VSTAR (Brilliant Stars)
 
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SAR Charizard V and/or SAR Charizard VMAX is probably gonna be a japanese promo (they still have around 30 missing promo numbers). I think the VMAX is more likely to be the promo.

SAR Lucario VSTAR should sit between 223 and 229.

I thought every pokémon that had a gold card during this year would get a SAR but sadly there's no space for Serperior (unless both Charizard cards are promos) and Palkia (unless they pull that shenanigan of putting Palkia before everyone like they did in Space Juggler),
 
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Ok, so based on the reveal of VSTAR Universe there are some problems. I was expecting some new cards to be revealed to fill some holes (for example, we are missing one Grass/Fire/Water card so that the numbers we have can fit). There are at least 4 cards missing but in other places there are more cards than numbers we can fit them. So I'd say unless they intend to shove some straight reprints (like they did Mimikyu V in Brilliant Stars) they are likely gonna rearrange the numbers.
 
Also, based on the set description for Crown Zenith, we still have 1 V missing but one more VSTAR than they said there will be i the set.

POKÉMON V (16/17)

Leafeon V (Special Card Set Grass Leafeon VSTAR - Hong Kong & Taiwan, Promo)
Quagsire V (Gym Promo)
Kyogre V (Gym Promo)
Glaceon V (Special Card Set Ice Glaceon VSTAR - Hong Kong & Taiwan, Promo)
Zeraora V (VSTAR Universe, Promo)
Mew V (VSTAR Universe, Fusion Strike)
Unown V (Paradigm Trigger Mystery Box, Silver Tempest)
Hatterene V (VSTAR Universe)
Zacian V (VSTAR Special Set)
Zamazenta V (VSTAR Special Set, Brilliant Stars)
Duraludon V (Dragon Pokémon V Get Challenge Campaign Promo, Evolving Skies)
Eevee V (CoroCoro Start Deck)
Lugia V (Paradigm Trigger Mystery Box, Silver Tempest)
Regigigas V (VSTAR Universe)
Stoutland V (Start Deck 100, Battle Styles)
Greedent V (Start Deck 100, Fusion Strike)

POKÉMON VMAX (5/5)

Zeraora VMAX (VSTAR Universe, Promo)
Hatterene VMAX (VSTAR Universe)
Rayquaza VMAX (VMAX Climax, Evolving Skies)
Rayquaza VMAX (Special Deck Set Rayquaza VMAX, Evolving Skies)
Duraludon VMAX (VMAX Climax, Evolving Skies)

POKÉMON VSTAR (9/8)

Leafeon VSTAR (VSTAR Universe, Promo)
Charizard VSTAR (Special Deck Set Charizard VSTAR, Brilliant Stars)
Simisear VSTAR (VSTAR Universe)
Rotom VSTAR (VSTAR Special Set)
Zeraora VSTAR (VSTAR Universe, Promo)
Zacian VSTAR (VSTAR Special Set)
Zamazenta VSTAR (VSTAR Special Set)
Lugia VSTAR (Lugia Get Challenge Campaign Promo, Silver Tempest)
Regigigas VSTAR (VSTAR Universe)
 
dineinunes said:
Also, based on the set description for Crown Zenith, we still have 1 V missing but one more VSTAR than they said there will be i the set.

POKÉMON V (16/17)

Leafeon V (Special Card Set Grass Leafeon VSTAR - Hong Kong & Taiwan, Promo)
Quagsire V (Gym Promo)
Kyogre V (Gym Promo)
Glaceon V (Special Card Set Ice Glaceon VSTAR - Hong Kong & Taiwan, Promo)
Zeraora V (VSTAR Universe, Promo)
Mew V (VSTAR Universe, Fusion Strike)
Unown V (Paradigm Trigger Mystery Box, Silver Tempest)
Hatterene V (VSTAR Universe)
Zacian V (VSTAR Special Set)
Zamazenta V (VSTAR Special Set, Brilliant Stars)
Duraludon V (Dragon Pokémon V Get Challenge Campaign Promo, Evolving Skies)
Eevee V (CoroCoro Start Deck)
Lugia V (Paradigm Trigger Mystery Box, Silver Tempest)
Regigigas V (VSTAR Universe)
Stoutland V (Start Deck 100, Battle Styles)
Greedent V (Start Deck 100, Fusion Strike)

POKÉMON VMAX (5/5)

Zeraora VMAX (VSTAR Universe, Promo)
Hatterene VMAX (VSTAR Universe)
Rayquaza VMAX (VMAX Climax, Evolving Skies)
Rayquaza VMAX (Special Deck Set Rayquaza VMAX, Evolving Skies)
Duraludon VMAX (VMAX Climax, Evolving Skies)

POKÉMON VSTAR (9/8)

Leafeon VSTAR (VSTAR Universe, Promo)
Charizard VSTAR (Special Deck Set Charizard VSTAR, Brilliant Stars)
Simisear VSTAR (VSTAR Universe)
Rotom VSTAR (VSTAR Special Set)
Zeraora VSTAR (VSTAR Universe, Promo)
Zacian VSTAR (VSTAR Special Set)
Zamazenta VSTAR (VSTAR Special Set)
Lugia VSTAR (Lugia Get Challenge Campaign Promo, Silver Tempest)
Regigigas VSTAR (VSTAR Universe)
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The missing V is probably the reprint of Simisear V, since the VSTAR is in the set. Remember Crobat VMAX in Shining Fates? Yeah, same goes to this one.
 
N's Rhyperior said:
The missing V is probably the reprint of Simisear V, since the VSTAR is in the set. Remember Crobat VMAX in Shining Fates? Yeah, same goes to this one.
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Yeah, I mentioned the reprint possibility in the post before this one. The problem is that Charizard VSTAR, Rotom VSTAR and Rayquaza VMAX also don't have Vs in the set. Would be weird to reprint only Simisear V and not the others. If they are all included that would put us at 20 possible Vs. If we assume we are correct about Quagsire V and Lugia V/VSTAR being promos then we will be with just one more V. Based on the numberings we have, without them rearranging it, then Mew V or Unown V would need to be cut.
But can we even assume there will be any more SWSH promos since they already revealed the line up for Crown Zenith up until may?
 
Ok, so after adding Charizard V, Simisear V, Rotom V and Rayquaza V, I've found something interesting. If we exclude all the cards associated with Paradigm Trigger products (like Lugia VSTAR, Unown V from the Mystery Box and the Gym Promos series 12), we get the complete setlist with no errors. It's like they did the list without knowledge of these cards.
 
Now, will they rearrange the numbers to fit those cards in? Will they be promos or will they leave us without them? Makes no sense to leaves us without them, at least not the mechanically unique ones (like Aerodactyl, Tranquil Park and the CoroCoro Hisuian Braviary).
 
All of the cards that were cut from Silver Tempest, and the cards in the VMAX Ultimate set that was recently released will need to be added to this set list to fill in the missing blanks for Crown Zenith, our 16th (this number includes the other three Holiday sets) and final Sword and Shield set. Then we can predict what cards will be in Scarlet and Violet Base Set, which will be released in January in Japan as Scarlet ex and Violet ex. If they bring the theme decks back, then they could use the Japanese names as the Deck names.
 
Kangaflora said:
All of the cards that were cut from Silver Tempest, and the cards in the VMAX Ultimate set that was recently released will need to be added to this set list to fill in the missing blanks for Crown Zenith, our 16th (this number includes the other three Holiday sets) and final Sword and Shield set. Then we can predict what cards will be in Scarlet and Violet Base Set, which will be released in January in Japan as Scarlet ex and Violet ex. If they bring the theme decks back, then they could use the Japanese names as the Deck names.
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Already done that.
 
So, now that we have basically all the cards from VSTAR Universe, a couple new "problems" arise with the setlist for Crown Zenith:

There are no pokémon Full Arts and no Rainbow cards, this means we only have 153 cards on the set so far (not counting the intentionally excluded ones). They said that the set would have over 160 cards. If they include the ones we excluded then the number of pokémon V/VSTAR they announced would be wrong. Considering we already got SAR Charizard VMAX as a promo which hasn't been announced in Japan yet (it is officially not in VSTAR Universe) and Japan still has around 30 promo numbers to fill, I think we might get some cards that will eventually be promos in Japan already in this set. This would also account for the FA Hoopa V that they said would be #147 but still has an unknown origin (it's also officially not in VSTAR Universe).

Also, FA Gym Trainer (that we got in Silver Tempest) doesn't seem to be in VSTAR Universe either, which means we are probably getting early Japanese promos.
 
So, we have a GG of 70, taking away Charizard V, Charizard VSTAR, G. Articuno, G. Moltres, G. Zapdos, Lucario & Bosses Orders, that is 7 Promo cards to take away from the cards we know. There are also 8 energies which will will most likely not get so. That means it will leave 75 cards; so what 5 cards are being either cut or straight up added to Crown Zenith (but not the GG). If they were to make one more random promo card, they may then stick the 4 gold cards in Crown Zenith main set (which would be a shame).
 
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Nirvanna21 said:
So, we have a GG of 70, taking away Charizard V, Charizard VSTAR, G. Articuno, G. Moltres, G. Zapdos, Lucario & Bosses Orders, that is 7 Promo cards to take away from the cards we know. There are also 8 energies which will will most likely not get so. That means it will leave 75 cards; so what 5 cards are being either cut or straight up added to Crown Zenith (but not the GG). If they were to make one more random promo card, they may then stick the 4 gold cards in Crown Zenith.
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You're mistaking AR/SARs and SRs. There are 72 AR/SARs in the set, minus the 6 we are getting as promos (Boss is SR) that leaves with 66 plus the 4 gold ones, 70.
The SRs will be in the regular set, those are Elesa's Sparkle, Friends in Hisui, Friends in Sinnoh, Professor's Research and Volo.
It's all accounted for in my list in the first page.
 
dineinunes said:
You're mistaking AR/SARs and SRs. There are 72 AR/SARs in the set, minus the 6 we are getting as promos (Boss is SR) that leaves with 66 plus the 4 gold ones, 70.
The SRs will be in the regular set, those are Elesa's Sparkle, Friends in Hisui, Friends in Sinnoh, Professor's Research and Volo.
It's all accounted for in my list in the first page.
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Ahh I see, good to know then!
 
With the confirmation of the Illustration Contest winners coming as promos #303, #304 and #305, we now have new available promo numbers #300, #301 and #302.
 
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