Dead decks?

Slowbro

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Are these decks dead after ND? I'd like to know if they're things I'd encounter at states, or if they are possible options for states.
-Chandelure (Vile and no vile)
-Eelzone
-Magneboar
-6 Corners
-Durant

On a side note, has MTC liven up to the hype? Is it really that good?
 
6 Corners, EelZone, and ChandyPlume are definitely not dead. Exspect to see multiple of these at states. DonChamp has definitely taken a fall, but may still see some play (because someone in my area always plays it). Durant is a complicated decision. It is kind of iffy. MagneBoar will increase in the hype because of its ability to basically shut down EXs.
I believe that MTC will not live up to the hype. It is a great deck, but no the BDIF!
 
I have been testing a lot with friends and I have to say that magneboar is pretty much dead even with twins it cant catch up to MTC. Eelzone is okay but not great. Chandelure(With vileplume) has a 50-50 matchup with MTC depending on how fast you set up. Donchamp without vileplume sucks but with vileplume is decent. 6 corners IDK and durant is the same
 
Durant definetly isnt dead. Ive actually beaten Reshiboar EX which I find very funny.
 
I take it EelZone sucks now because it needs to LZ 4 energies to take out an EX with Magnezone when Zoroark BW can KO EX's faster with Foul Play? Zekrom EX and Mewtwo EX would be great in EelZone but so far I haven't had much success pulling them at PR's let alone getting them from anyone at all. D&D (Donphan & Dragons) is pretty much dead Post-ND, as is DonChamp.
 
Card Slinger J said:
I take it EelZone sucks now because it needs to LZ 4 energies to take out an EX with Magnezone when Zoroark BW can KO EX's faster with Foul Play? Zekrom EX and Mewtwo EX would be great in EelZone but so far I haven't had much success pulling them at PR's let alone getting them from anyone at all. D&D (Donphan & Dragons) is pretty much dead Post-ND, as is DonChamp.

I don't understand how foul play is so good. It doesn't ko an EX. Magnezone can lz 4 energy for 2 prizes, which is a very good prize exchange.
 
It would have to 2HKO it for 2 prizes with Foul Play, and Zone usually doesn't have trouble setting up 4 energies to Lost Burn especially If you have Thundurus as your Starter to get energies in your Discard Pile for Eelektrik's Dynamotor.
 
Card Slinger J said:
I take it EelZone sucks now because it needs to LZ 4 energies to take out an EX with Magnezone when Zoroark BW can KO EX's faster with Foul Play? Zekrom EX and Mewtwo EX would be great in EelZone but so far I haven't had much success pulling them at PR's let alone getting them from anyone at all. D&D (Donphan & Dragons) is pretty much dead Post-ND, as is DonChamp.
What? 120/150 isn't enough to OHKO a 180-200HP Pokémon. And Mewtwo won't ever get the seven energy on it it needs for Zoroark to Foul Play KO it for a DCE. Shaymin is the only one it will be OHKOing.

Magnezone would expect to Lost Burn three energy to take one prize before. Now it can expect to Lost Burn four for two prizes. That's a GREAT exchange, especially compared to Zoroark.
 
The only problem with MTC is that it is the money-deck of the era like Luxchomp...
 
Chandelure is most likely going to die off. It can only deal 60 a turn, which isn't going to be enough to even phase the EXs. Reshiram, Zekrom, Magnezone Prime and Mewtwo EX can plow through Chandelure, OHKOs hurt it is a deck. Same goes for google's, it is most likely going to die off as well, at least die down sufficiently, simply because things can now scrape the OHKO, and the format just got much faster. Donchamp was died after Nationals, so yeah, it is amazing how bad Machamp fairs against Mewtwo. I don't know why it is on this list. I think everything else on that list will be ok, the format change doesn't work in Durant's favor, and Magneboar is outclassed by Reshiboar EX, and Magnezone Eels, but I feel both of those decks with still see some play.
 
Vulpix Yolk said:
Donchamp was died

^ omg this

- Chandy does more than 60 a turn if it can attack, so that's not really fair to say that it only does 60, but I agree it isn't very viable. Too many things ohko it and the overall damage output isn't enough.
- Eelzone fairs pretty well against the changes. As Celebi pointed out for 1 more energy you gain 1 more prize card, on average, save a possible recoiled Reshiram EX which swings even more so in Magnezone's favor. It's consistent and works pretty well with Mewtwo, so it can keep up on the prize race against most of the new EX decks.
-Magneboar is flat out outclassed by other Emboar variants and if you want to run Magnezone you are better off just running Eelzone, but it does fine if you want to run it. Not the safest play but Magnezone still has the same pros here as it does in Eelzone, but it's less consistent imo.
- Donchamp is dead, don't touch it. Or Lanchamp. Machamp is facerolled by Mewtwo so hard it's not even fun. Drop a Mewtwo + DCE and Machamp is gone, and nothing else in the deck can really stand up to it as a counter, even your own Mewtwos.
- 6 Corners is a toss up imo. Just tech in your own Mewtwos now and since prism energy makes the deck that much better, it gains enough to stay on par with the new meta, but it's now that much harder to play, too. Shaymin EX is another fairly obvious addition to the deck, but you have a lot more leeway in how you build your deck based on your particular meta since you don't even need most of it anymore.
- Durant won't really be affected by this very much, but if anything it's on the negative end of the changes because more things are constantly able to ohko it and the meta is getting faster. It only gets prism energy, unless I'm forgetting something, and that isn't really changing the deck to make it any better than it already is.

All this being said, none of these are bdif, but they aren't dead.
 
Vulpix Yolk said:
Reshiram, Zekrom, Magnezone Prime and Mewtwo EX can plow through Chandelure

You sure about that? I've played against ChandePlume with EelZone multiple times and I've only won at least once against it cause I managed to stop my Opponent from getting Trainer Lock with Vileplume on Turn 3 and got my setup going.

ChandePlume could run Cobalion NV as a tech against Mewtwo EX, and the deck itself usually doesn't have a problem getting around Reshiram or Zekrom. 95% of the time, ChandePlume will Trainer Lock on Turn 2 or 3 as there's too much luck riding on disrupting the lock early game.
 
Chandelure without Vileplume is dead. 90 anywhere on a good turn, a mere 60 on not so good turns isn't enough anymore. Chandelure with Vileplume certainly is not dead. It still has that awesome Lampent to drag up Emboars, Eelektriks, and other pokemon. It also has that amazing attack for late game, which really puts Mewtwo in it's place. It doesn't really have any bad matchups.

EelZone is not dead. It can KO an EX with one attack and take two prizes. It has pretty good matchups all around.

MagneBoar is not dead. Like EelZone, it can KO an Ex with one attack, but some could argue it is a bit easier as you only need one Emboar as opposed to 3 Eelektriks, though it is a bit clunky to set it all up.

DonChamp has been dead for a while. Now it gets even worse with Machamp being weak to Mewtwo.

6 Corners is not dead, but it gets worse. Everything with Outrage is too easy to KO now, and EXs other than Mewtwo all need at least 3 energy to attack, and you don't have any energy acceleration.

Durant is definitely not dead. It still has nice matchups across the board, but it will hurt from the rise in play of ReshiBoar and MagneBoar. The rise in EelZone and MTC is good for it though, as those are favorable matchups.

Yeah, MTC really is that good. It's certainly not BDIF, but it has good matchups all around, a huge possibility for donks, good early game with Tornadus and Terrakion, and a very nice late game with Mewtwo EX, Regigigas EX and Shaymin EX.
 
Card Slinger J said:
ChandePlume could run Cobalion NV as a tech against Mewtwo EX, and the deck itself usually doesn't have a problem getting around Reshiram or Zekrom. 95% of the time, ChandePlume will Trainer Lock on Turn 2 or 3 as there's too much luck riding on disrupting the lock early game.

Anything can tech for anything, but Chandy doesn't normally have very much room in their lists to fit Coballion + new energies. And I'm pretty sure vulpix meant the EX versions, which plow through chandy since they can ohko easily and survive the low damage output.

It's not dead but it's not that great anymore.
 
I don't like MTC that much. It won't be used as BDIF, but it certaintly has been hyped a lot. On your list the only ting that is a dead deck in DonChamp. All the other decks may become slightly better with ND and are still playable. Wow Gothitelle should be on this list. XD
 
petertclo said:
The only problem with MTC is that it is the money-deck of the era like Luxchomp...

What?

Tornadus- Around 5 a piece
Celebi- 10 a piece
Mewtwo- 60-80 a piece.

This deck, assuming you use the standard 3 Tornadus, 4 Celebi, 2 Mewtwo should only run you 215$ in Pokemon, and maybe 20-40 more in T/T/S/Energy. It is definitely not the most expensive deck to build at the moment.


On topic, I see Chandelure as a dead deck. The amount of setup for it is insane, and when it's so easily OHKO'd/2HKO'd, and only being able to do a maximum of 60-90 a turn, it just isn't a good play anymore.
 
Zorua said:
This deck, assuming you use the standard 3 Tornadus, 4 Celebi, 2 Mewtwo should only run you 215$ in Pokemon, and maybe 20-40 more in T/T/S/Energy. It is definitely not the most expensive deck to build at the moment.

Not everyone has 215+ bucks to spend on Pokemon cards.

I pretty much agree with anyone who talked about EelZone being fine with this format, and 6 Corners will be a lot more difficult to play because of the strain on Energy. However, whoever said that Durant is on the negative side of this format is the person I'll have to disagree with. Durant is actually right in the middle; it loses to Reshiboar EX, Magneboar, and Tyram, but it has okay match ups when facing pretty much everything else, so I wouldn't rule it out completely.

Also, just putting this out there; TBH, I think TyRam will get better in this format. I may be wrong, but I know that Reshiram will like the prize advantage against EX Pokemon, and it will abuse Mewtwo EX to handle anything Reshiram cannot. TyRam will be Tier 1.5 IMO for sure. Hold onto your Typhlosions, everyone. The show ain't over for TyRam yet.

Edit: wow my grammar stinks today
 
Zorua said:
What?

Tornadus- Around 5 a piece
Celebi- 10 a piece
Mewtwo- 60-80 a piece.

This deck, assuming you use the standard 3 Tornadus, 4 Celebi, 2 Mewtwo should only run you 215$ in Pokemon, and maybe 20-40 more in T/T/S/Energy. It is definitely not the most expensive deck to build at the moment.


On topic, I see Chandelure as a dead deck. The amount of setup for it is insane, and when it's so easily OHKO'd/2HKO'd, and only being able to do a maximum of 60-90 a turn, it just isn't a good play anymore.

Only? I have to disagree with you that its not the most expensive deck. LuxChomp costed you around $150, and that was unheard of (as far as I know). And that was undisputed BDIF forever. Besides, if I had $215 to blow, it wouldn't be on Pokemon.

Btw, Chandelure isn't dead. It can easily phaze with its attack, and a tails on Confusion will win it the game against an EX.
 
venasour x said:
Only? I have to disagree with you that its not the most expensive deck. LuxChomp costed you around $150, and that was unheard of (as far as I know). And that was undisputed BDIF forever. Besides, if I had $215 to blow, it wouldn't be on Pokemon.

Btw, Chandelure isn't dead. It can easily phaze with its attack, and a tails on Confusion will win it the game against an EX.

I remember it costing around $300...

I would say it is expensive, especially considering you haven't added T/T/S and energy to the picture yet.


And DonChamp has been dead forever, so I'd take it off the list.
 
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