Finished Duck Hunt - Cancelled

[NinjaPenguin]

FoS on Keldeo for voting two veterans for no reason on his first post. It looks like you want to eliminate the people who are most likely to find out you are scum.

Yeah, I don't think rainy is going to flip dog, which is why I haven't voted for him. This is his first forum mafia game and he needs time to learn all the differences between live and forum versions of the game, evidenced by his reasoning like "you are using what he says to try and make him seem like mafia!" That's because in live mafia you have tools like body language to take advantage of.

Our primary objective is to lynch dogs, not people who aren't finding the dogs very well. Rainy could have ended up being useful in the end -- it's the first day of our first mafia game with him, so it's way too early to make the call over who will be useful or not. Fact is, Rainy posted more words than anyone else today by a long mile. That dedication would have been nice to have around.

The issue is, Rainy has declared himself to be rooting for the scum. That kind of person could never help the town.

 

[Celever]

Not at all. You're extraditing that one statement for all it's worth when he's said hundreds of others which are fine.

 

[Nyora]

Yeah, I don't think rainy is going to flip dog, which is why I haven't voted for him. This is his first forum mafia game and he needs time to learn all the differences between live and forum versions of the game, evidenced by his reasoning like "you are using what he says to try and make him seem like mafia!" That's because in live mafia you have tools like body language to take advantage of.

Our primary objective is to lynch dogs, not people who aren't finding the dogs very well. Rainy could have ended up being useful in the end -- it's the first day of our first mafia game with him, so it's way too early to make the call over who will be useful or not. Fact is, Rainy posted more words than anyone else today by a long mile. That dedication would have been nice to have around.

##QUACK: Blakers

yes I'd aggre that's where I suck. I've just started online mafia but I'm very expierenced in real life, so the transition for me is kinda confuzzling.

 

[Nyora]

FoS on Keldeo for voting two veterans for no reason on his first post. It looks like you want to eliminate the people who are most likely to find out you are scum.

The issue is, Rainy has declared himself to be rooting for the scum. That kind of person could never help the town.

Not at all. You're extraditing that one statement for all it's worth when he's said hundreds of others which are fine.

yes I agree with that as I don the know who the dogs are! It actually doesn't matter who I root for unless I know who the dogs are! It's like I'm a traitor but I don't know who I'm siding with and I really can't do much to help. While I do root for mafia, I'll make decisions I feel will make the game challenging for both sides. Eliminating @bbninjas is a good example. Being an expierenced mafia player, eliminating him would make it harder for us town to find out who the dogs are or make it harder on dogs if he is a dog. (Which he could very well be just as me)

 

[Nyora]

And also "rooting" and "helping" are completely different. For example, if gather enough evidence to believe that @Mora is the Mafia and everyone agrees with it, "rooting" in this situation would be me saying "dang, I hope your not mafia" or "oh well, maybe with 1 left they can still win" against the helping which some people think I am doing which is "No, mora would never be mafia!" Or "here are some reasons mora isn't mafia" even though it's almost 99% guaranteed they are mafia. In this game, I "root" for mafia, but certainly not "helping" them. And also, nothing on the 1st night has any evidence at all, making everything just a random completely unestimmated guess, which by people talking such as me and saying things people don't like, makes them think I'm mafia without reason at all.

 

[NinjaPenguin]

Not at all. You're extraditing that one statement for all it's worth when he's said hundreds of others which are fine.

Here are his posts:

##Quack: bbninjas
##Quack: Blazers

I swear I don't lurk, I've been on Thanksgiving break the past couple of days and I've had to help spout at a harvest carnival.

RVS.

Yes that was edited because I said "hadn't" when I meant to say "had"

mainly because if I didn't say that it'd have an entirely different meaning.

Fluff posts related to editing.

Oh i just checked I know he's voting for me but I just want him out early. (mainly because he's good at everything and eliminating him would give me a bigga chance of being the winner) Also, shouldn't we PM you our votes? This would prevent (as @double o squirtle explained well) people from literally waiting till the last minute to cast their vote. I dont do this ive just been inactive awhile if you check my profile you'll see I've barely done anything in the past couple of days. (Except for this morning.)

This is where he feels he wins if he eliminates his own team. As a IRL mafia veteran, he should know this makes no sense. This is a common newbie scum idea (vote out veterans so they won't have to kill them.)

Also notice how @Mora 's title s "Silently Chaotic."
That's gonna change my vote
##Unquack: blakers
##Quack: Mora
Wonder how dogs can quack?? Hope dogs win! (For those who don't know how I play Mafia, I ALWAYS root for Mafia. Which is also why I'm voting Mora and bbninjas.) <<Not dogs

He literally says he wants the scum ro win. I have no clue how you can defend that.

thanks for telling me how I play Mafia games. that's where it gets HARD. we ha e no clue who is who until numbers start decreasing. And also, who would be dumb enough to basically outright say that they are the Mafia using the words I did. If I were Mafia, I would use the same word choice. It's just how I play. And it normally results in the loss for town because luckily I'll be alive with like 5 people remaining, I've done my analysis, I give a good explanation,and nobody believes me and town loses. That's why I ALWAYS win as Mafia. ALWAYS. And if I'm not Mafia, I ALWAYS lose. (pretty cool vibe dontcha think?)

Wonderful. Maybe you should think about changing this playstyle that results in you always losing when you are town (which should happen ~75% of the time.)

Btw Mafia should thank me for rooting for them I've got your back @NinjaPenguin this behavior you demonstrate is the except same of one of my friends when we play Mafia whenever he is Mafia, it's pretty easy to tell.

1. ALWAYS active. Of your Mafia, you've got to ALWAYS be there and try to change EVERYTHING said to go your way. Believe me, if I was Mafia, I would've made time during the past couple of days for this. I've only chatted a lot this morning to make up for being gone th roast couple of days.
2. Using what somebody says as a reason to lynch them. Pretty suspicous Mafia behavior right? I'd agree. NinjaPenguin says that we win as a team, (and since I'm a towns duck, we lose as I stated above) and since I'm not with that team, he's voting me. I'm fine with it, Mafia games stress me enough.

Also, never trust me? Or do you? That's why people always lose when I'm town! The lack of trust in this game is so harsh that when I'm teamed up with towns ducks, it changes the game. But that's why I play like this. Being so untrustworthy, it give the Mafia what seems a big advantage to use what I say to lynch me, but if that DOESNT happen, I'm able to give a logical explanation on who I think the Mafia is.

With all that said, even though I think NinjaPenguin is the Mafia, I won't vote for him. (As I stated in previous posts)

Ciao, y'all! How the dogs win!

This post is ridiculously scummy. He declares his alliegnace to the scum again, uses terrible scumtells (though that can be blamed on him being new), doesn't vote for the person he thinks is scum, and ends it with more scum alliegnace.

That's where you wrong. When I'm eliminated, guess what. The very next night there is the same amount of Mafia kills, which guess what? Means I'm not Mafia. You've really got to have my brain to understand how I play.

This posts makes no sense. I can't analyze it at all.

yes your right I totally understand and seeing as how this has been of excess, I'd assume everyone else who logged in within the next hour and read everything mypight assume that either @NinjaPenguin or myself are mafia, as we have had the biggest discussion thus far. You have a small chance of me actually being the dog, and other than me saying that I like the dogs and that they are cool and that I wanna lynch tpsome townspeople, you have no reason to lynch me. Just I have no reason to lynch Mora or bbninjas. This is the first round, we don't know much yet, so this is all guessing. However one of the traits of mafia is to watch it all and make it go your way and make everyone believe you, which as I stated above, would make people think that either you or me are mafia. With all that said, would the Mafia ever do this? (Nothing in the rules I've seen says I can't)
##Unquack: bbninjas
##Quack: rainyman123

He declares himself town by doing a high propensity scum move, and tries to polarize us (guaranteeing one of us is scum). This is a good move to make townies fight amongst themselves (e.g. Drac and I being plain Team GR).

Guys, mafia would never vote hisself. So this would mean I'm obvious town. You could eliminate me and them get 2 more elimainated next night, or you could be a bit smarter and use a small chance to at least kill 1 mafia.
##Unquack: Mora
##Quack: bbninjas

Read what Jesi says just afterwards.

nup not offended but I voted for me self BEFORE people started voting me. (popularity come to me )

Everyone pls stop using MLK as an abbreviation i can't ever focus on who it is cuz it always reminds me of this stupid Martin Luther King song.

Pure fluff.

##Unquack: rainyman123
##Quack: MylittleKeldeo

raisins. By the way @TheSceptileMaster it's not necessarily defenseive as much as me not caring wether or not I die.

“In situations like this, don't fear death. It calms you.”

Bandwagon+Fluff

Thanks for voting everyone! Can't wait to be president

More Fluff.

yes I'd aggre that's where I suck. I've just started online mafia but I'm very expierenced in real life, so the transition for me is kinda confuzzling.

It was for me too, but it still doesn't explain your behavior. This is more AtE than anything else.

yes I agree with that as I don the know who the dogs are! It actually doesn't matter who I root for unless I know who the dogs are! It's like I'm a traitor but I don't know who I'm siding with and I really can't do much to help. While I do root for mafia, I'll make decisions I feel will make the game challenging for both sides. Eliminating @bbninjas is a good example. Being an expierenced mafia player, eliminating him would make it harder for us town to find out who the dogs are or make it harder on dogs if he is a dog. (Which he could very well be just as me)

Your effort should be towards winning, not making the game interesting.

And also "rooting" and "helping" are completely different. For example, if gather enough evidence to believe that @Mora is the Mafia and everyone agrees with it, "rooting" in this situation would be me saying "dang, I hope your not mafia" or "oh well, maybe with 1 left they can still win" against the helping which some people think I am doing which is "No, mora would never be mafia!" Or "here are some reasons mora isn't mafia" even though it's almost 99% guaranteed they are mafia. In this game, I "root" for mafia, but certainly not "helping" them. And also, nothing on the 1st night has any evidence at all, making everything just a random completely unestimmated guess, which by people talking such as me and saying things people don't like, makes them think I'm mafia without reason at all.

But you should say "I really hope I'm right." When you don't have 100% loyalty, you are not an asset for town.

tl;dr
-Rooting Against Town
-Fluff posting
-Terrible Reasoning
-Classic Scum Plays
-Minor Scumtells
Would you rather have a 10% chance of lynching a scum, or a 100% chance of lynching someone who is rooting against us?
P.S. Sorry if the formatting is messed up. I don't have access to my computer right now.

 

[Nyora]

10%. Rooting or not, I've already said I'll help town, I just want the other side to win. Who I root for changes nothing! It seems just who I want to win. I'm still with town, I still help them, it's just I wish I was mafia cuz I want them to win. And yes I'd agree that the point of the game is to win, but it should be interesting too. (Like eliminating the best player for instance) and also say bbninjas was mafia! Then it REALLY pays off. And if not, oh well. That's how the game works. Your not always going to get mafia and almost never will round 1.

 

[Nyora]

And also here me out on this. If I was mafia, I wouldn't of posted until I think I could make a good reason to get somebody lynched. That's a bit classical ic assume to wait for something to happen like, uh, say, somebody says they want scum to win. Ah, perfect moment to give a billion reasons to kill them! Not saying @NinjaPenguin Is mafia or anything but this is how I'd think if I was mafia.

 

[Nyora]

Actually, allow me elaborate. Say somebody says they want scum to win. Good time to say that since they want scum to win yet they aren't and can't do anything to help them win I should make it know on that they are bad. I'd agree this would raise suspicion on the guy that says he wants scum to win, but that's no good reason to vote him out. In any case, I'd vote they guy who really wants home out (if you know what I mean)

 

[Nyora]

And last thing, I could say anything about anybody and we'd still have no clue who it is. I know 2 people are gonna have to die today and i hope one of them isn't me, but I'm just saying we are really probably only gonna have good evidence when mafia kills some people.

 

[Mora]

Either rainyman123 doesn't have a firm understanding of what's going on, being new and all, or he is trying to propagate chaos by making all of these wild statements. The more he talks, the more I wonder if we even should try to analyze what is being said. I mean if something is irrational (in this case, openly rooting for scum, etc.), then by definition, is it possible to analyze? I think the bottom line is whether he's dog or not, he's going to be a detriment to our game.

 

[Nyora]

Also I think everyone has someone they want to see stay in the game and yes even though bb is expierenced keeping him in as you said @NinjaPenguin could be a bad thing as he could be scum or *WO* you both could be scum. You want him saved, which could only mean rather you want him here because he's good or you want him here because he's scum. That'd be a good reason to really want him to stay and tell people not vote him. I'd say right now the best votes for people right now would be @bbninjas, @NinjaPenguin, myself, and anyone else you think is scummy.

 

[Nyora]

Either rainyman123 doesn't have a firm understanding of what's going on, being new and all, or he is trying to propagate chaos by making all of these wild statements. The more he talks, the more I wonder if we even should try to analyze what is being said. I mean if something is irrational (in this case, openly rooting for scum, etc.), then by definition, is it possible to analyze? I think the bottom line is whether he's dog or not, he's going to be a detriment to our game.

heck yes you should.

 

[Mora]

And also here me out on this. If I was mafia, I wouldn't of posted until I think I could make a good reason to get somebody lynched. That's a bit classical ic assume to wait for something to happen like, uh, say, somebody says they want scum to win. Ah, perfect moment to give a billion reasons to kill them! Not saying @NinjaPenguin Is mafia or anything but this is how I'd think if I was mafia.

Right. So in addition to voting out rainyman123, we should vote out one of the 12 people who is voting for rainyman123.

 

[Celever]

tl;dr
-Rooting Against Town

Is irrelevant. Not optimal, maybe, but besides that it's 100% irrelevant. Rooting is by essence fluff which, speaking of...

-Fluff posting

...isn't a detriment. This is a weird case of a tell from live mafia being translated onto a forum game. Not saying anything of substance in live mafia is detrimental -- deadlines are short and discussion can be easily distracted. On a forum? Not the case. Just fluff posting can make you unuseful, but posting fluff in amidst other stuff is absolutely fine.

-Terrible Reasoning

Can be expected of a newer player (speaking of, did you read the Mafia stickies in our forum, @rainyman123? I feel like they could help you out! ). His reasoning isn't really terrible in a game of live mafia, which is where his experience lies. People relate the unknown with what's familiar to them, and that's exactly what rainy is doing. It's not scummy; it's human.

-Classic Scum Plays

You didn't name examples, so it frankly isn't a bullet point. The extent is his small focus on more experienced players, but he has at least backed up why he decided to vote for them, which is more than some other players in the game. Voting someone for poor reasoning means that the voter themself's reasoning is just as bad, as it's another term for "I'm clutching at straws lol".

-Minor Scumtells

Are minor! You have done minor scum tells, I have done minor scum tells. Everyone does minor scum tells because there are so many of them. Mafia isn't a checklist of scum tells for you to check off as people post. A bit of prioritising is needed.

All this said: Don't root for the other team, Rainy. That's kinda bad sportsmanship. Mafia isn't a game of "making it challenging for both sides", it's a game of winning and having fun while doing so!

 

[Blakers]

I think we're focusing on the wrong people. The people who appear to be the inactive ones probably make up at least one of the dogs, as they won't want to give themselves away.

 

[Celever]

I think we're focusing on the wrong people. The people who appear to be the inactive ones probably make up at least one of the dogs, as they won't want to give themselves away.

True. The idea behind voting inactives is that it's a lower risk with the same reward, as if they're not being useful anyway, it's fine.

 

[NinjaPenguin]

You didn't name examples, so it frankly isn't a bullet point. The extent is his small focus on more experienced players, but he has at least backed up why he decided to vote for them, which is more than some other players in the game. Voting someone for poor reasoning means that the voter themself's reasoning is just as bad, as it's another term for "I'm clutching at straws lol".

The ones I have are self-voting, veteran elimination (which said above), and polarization.

I think we're focusing on the wrong people. The people who appear to be the inactive ones probably make up at least one of the dogs, as they won't want to give themselves away.

I'm voting for Keldeo. He immediately voted for veterans when we were past RVS and hasn't posted otherwise. The other inactives didn't look that scummy.

 

[Professor Palutena]

Celever: 1 (Keldeo)
dos: 1 (Tempest)
ninjapenguin: 1 (simsands)
bbninjas: 7 (KX, sm, tsm, LodR, Pidove, rainy, MLK)
yuyoko: 2 (Blakers, dos)
KX: 1 (SM)
jesi: 2 (quaking, LotR)
keldeo: 6 (bb, Vracken, ninjapenguin, Celever, Mora, rainy)
mora: 2 (Vracken, quaking)
simsands: 1 (KX)
seel: 2 (Yuyuko, Pidove)
rainy: 10 (jesi, simsands, Yuyuko, Blakers, bb, ninjapenguin, Tempest, Seel, Mora, TSM)
pidove: 1 (seel)
Blakers: 1 (Celever

Not Voting: Jesi (has one vote left)

You have just over 10 hours left.

 

[VinculumStellarum]

##Quack: My Little Keldeo

What happens in the case that two people are tied for a lynch in the second slot?

Also, this may just be me and the way I think, but I'm actually having trouble comprehending some of Rainy's latest posts. I just can't get my head around them fully.