Elitism in the Pokemon TCG

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I know some people on the Beach that act like they're better than everybody. They're petty and I quite frankly feel sorry for them, because you know they can't have that many friends. I go to tournaments and don't really care about performance. I generally Top Cut, but it doesn't bother me if I don't. I hang with friends and have a downright good time. I'm no little guy, so I don't think people talk much trash to me anyways. :p Let the elitists think what they want to. And if you trade smart enough, you don't have to spend any money.
 
Rikko145 said:
I know some people on the Beach that act like they're better than everybody. They're petty and I quite frankly feel sorry for them, because you know they can't have that many friends. I go to tournaments and don't really care about performance. I generally Top Cut, but it doesn't bother me if I don't. I hang with friends and have a downright good time. I'm no little guy, so I don't think people talk much trash to me anyways. :p Let the elitists think what they want to. And if you trade smart enough, you don't have to spend any money.
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I trade smart and you call it ripping people off? What makes it okay for you to rip people off? You must consider yourself to be an Elitist.

On topic. There isn't that much of a problem with elitists in this game. Go play yugioh and than see if you still want to complain.
 
I don't rip people off. I trade for what I need or things I can trade for what I need, as well as make sure I have a stockpile of things that probably won't be rotated. That's called managing your resources and trading smart. You traded 6$ in sleeves for $30 in Lv.X's last week and strip the little kids at our league for any good cards you can scam off of them. I see myself as one of the good old boys. I try to help people out when they need it, not be an elitist.

But like I said, let people think what they want. You can only control your own actions.
 
I can easily sell them for $20 a set if i want to. And your actions make you seem like an arrogant elitist
 
The whole concept of "ripping off" is not a bona fide matter of elitism, but is a different issue entirely. However, if it were a matter of elitism, it would only extend so far as "Group A has information that Group B does not, and thus takes advantage of that information." And quite frankly, it's really freaking weak if information and its application are the only two barriers to entry into a group of elites.

Oh yeah, and take your drama llama elsewhere, thanks.
 
Yeah, I'm not getting into this. This is not the time nor the place for this twaddle.
 
Sally, lots of kids get ripped off at leagues everywhere :/ I've seen it, and that's when you approach the kids and tell them to keep an eye on troll and toad or to ask the league leader if it's a good trade. Most leaders will tell the truth to keep it fair and their league kids coming back to keep playing. More kids = more supplies.

On to the topic of elitism, I think it's mostly due to higher player count. More people means more jerks. Not a higher percent of jerks, just a higher overall number increasing the odds of playing vs a jerk.

Pokémon: 3 darkrai + 4 catcher + other stuff to make a dark deck = 200ish.

Magic: 4 cavern of souls + 4 entreat the angels + 2 tamiyo + deck staples = $400ish.

Pokémon is a hobby, all hobbies cost time, effort, and money. There is pride in doing well. But all the actual top players in the country have fun, win or lose. The downers never make it far, or stay long. Maybe two years, tops.
 
In my observation elitism exists in every hobby on some level. Not just Pokemon or Yugioh, not just in Magic, not just in card games. It exists in video games and in real life (public school anyone)? It's part of life and you learn to either deal with it, ignore it or just plain avoid it. The Yugioh league I sometimes attend isn't too bad, and when I attended Pokemon league there was only one person who was kind of an...elitist, we'll say.

@Purim: Mind you this was over ten years ago when Neo Genesis was the new set but at that time the store who ran the league let certain players teach the newcomers Pokemon. I always used my strongest deck a Rain Dance Deck BUT what I would do is show them the set up as I do it, and then even though I would set myself up to the point I knew I should win I would then turn around let the game run longer than I would in a real match so they could learn and so that they weren't beaten right off the bat (something my rain dance deck was very capable of). Admittedly the draw out occasionally allowed them to turn around and win, but that's what can happen.

As for trading, I have always gone with a general idea that the cost of cards in a trade shouldn't be the only factor, To me it also is considered if its something I need. If what they want might be a bit more expensive but is something that I have no use for as opposed to something I need for a deck (or just want) then to me the trade can be considered fair. And if they want to do some sort of trade that doesn't involve cards then if it's something that interests me then I'll do it too. I've sold cards, I've bought a few, and I've traded between games (like trading Yugioh cards for Pokemon). Everyone has their trading methods, and others do not have to like it but that is beyond their control.
 
About ripping off younger/less experience kids:

It isn't really that wrong to "rip off someone." If they want to trade the card that you need for something, they probably have a reason. If a kid has a fire deck, trading a Reshiram EX for their Raikou EX isn't that wrong. They probably don't go to tournaments and have little intentions of playing a Tier 1 deck. Still, you should like lie about prices or something, but it isn't wrong to do a trade that is in your favor. I traded a Groudon EX and a TON of staples to a kid at my league for a Darkrai EX. He didn't need it and he needed the other cards. Price wise, it was in my favor, but it was a win win in the end.
 
iisnumber12 said:
About ripping off younger/less experience kids:

It isn't really that wrong to "rip off someone." If they want to trade the card that you need for something, they probably have a reason. If a kid has a fire deck, trading a Reshiram EX for their Raikou EX isn't that wrong. They probably don't go to tournaments and have little intentions of playing a Tier 1 deck. Still, you should like lie about prices or something, but it isn't wrong to do a trade that is in your favor. I traded a Groudon EX and a TON of staples to a kid at my league for a Darkrai EX. He didn't need it and he needed the other cards. Price wise, it was in my favor, but it was a win win in the end.
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I do not see this at all.

You are effectively giving someone $2 for $50. That is not a win win situation. When they grow older and find a bunch of Pokemon cards in a bin that they want to sell, they would like it a lot more if they had that $50 card.
 
alexmf2 said:
I do not see this at all.

You are effectively giving someone $2 for $50. That is not a win win situation. When they grow older and find a bunch of Pokemon cards in a bin that they want to sell, they would like it a lot more if they had that $50 card.
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Cards don't keep their value that long. It is also not that huge of a difference. It is a win win if both people get what they want.
 
It doesn't matter if it's the same price. It matters if it's still valuable.

edit: And Leafeon Lv. X.
 
What is it that you need verifying? That someone would still want something if it's worth money? Because I don't think that really needs verifying.
 
alexmf2 said:
What is it that you need verifying? That someone would still want something if it's worth money? Because I don't think that really needs verifying.
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I would just like verification that the price has stayed about the same. I didn't play competitively back then, so I would like info that I know is true.
 
It shouldn't matter. It's still worth money, it doesn't matter how much it was worth back then.
 
Leafeon is about the same, however, glaceon lv x went up...

And, come September, darkrai will cost less than groudon. It's still a shady trade unless when you say a ton of staples you mean 20 juniper, 15 N, and 40 Cheren.

iisnumber12 said:
I would just like verification that the price has stayed about the same. I didn't play competitively back then, so I would like info that I know is true.
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Leafeon was legal last year though...
 
Blui129 said:
I hate to say it, but I agree, three years ago it was more abut having fun, since then prizes have gotten better and only the wealthy are only ones who constantly perform well. I stilllike to play and I don't have problem with money, but I feel sorry for those who come to play some fun games and get a nice experiance.
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I'm a poor person and I do well. Well, not poor, but not well off. I drive a 20 year old car!
 
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