Fakemon Competition- Discussion Thread
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So what is the MAIN problem?
All of these problems seem minor to me. If we can find one main problem that we need to fix, then I would be happy to discuss it. I personally think we should keep public voting AND we should keep the previous winner in the comp.
And computer images shouldnt be judged differently. I mean, most of scampy's are drawn only and they won haha
I just use the computer because I think it makes MY ART look better. YOU dont HAVE to do it if you dont want to.
All of these problems seem minor to me. If we can find one main problem that we need to fix, then I would be happy to discuss it. I personally think we should keep public voting AND we should keep the previous winner in the comp.
And computer images shouldnt be judged differently. I mean, most of scampy's are drawn only and they won haha
I just use the computer because I think it makes MY ART look better. YOU dont HAVE to do it if you dont want to.
I like the idea of going sketch -> final artwork/sprite(Hey, if you do a sprite bit that'd be really cool =P)
scampy said:
Yes. Yes we do. Without a point system or grading criteria, some entrys will have unfair votes.
It does not complicate things. WHen you join a pokebeach clan, you fill out a form listing the info they want you to put.
It also helps the members for future contests. If you merely dont vote for them, they know you didnt like it, but they dont know why.
With a point system or grading criteria, you can easily see what areas you lack in or need to improve on.
Large official contests like this should have full DETAILED criteria.
Just saying: "Oh I like this one." Is not good enough. It doesnt give a full fair evaluation of the entry nor does it help the artist improve.
Bacon, you should understand that more then anyone.
I dont mind losing this. No i dont. I just think entrys like mine deserve a better evaluation.
(But I bet Scampy or Xous could take my entry and computer edit it to look amazing.)
ON a different note, if you are trying to create a full new pokedex, you need more then just 1 good bug entry.
You should pick 2 or 3 good entrys from each contest.
The 1st Gen pokedex has....lets see....more then 4 bug types. Gen 4 has more then 6.
The main problem is people voting for the pretty art rather than for concept. This will hopefully be solved by splitting the two functions (in separate contests), so we can have both, instead of one or the other.safariblade said:
Pretty much the idea.shadoworganoid said:
To the contrary. A long, mundane form to fill out will make new people unwilling to pitch in and vote, concentrating the vote in fewer hands (i.e. making it less fair).shadoworganoid said:
Maybe, then, along with every vote, mandate some constructive criticism to someone you didn't vote for? Seems easier and more direct.shadoworganoid said:
... and many are boring pure Bug or Bug/Flying.shadoworganoid said:
You need a separate contest for each line of bugs, not several identically typed and branching lines.
When does the next contest start?
And what will the criteria be? Could I suggest a line of 2 or 3 ending in a Rock/Electric pokemon as the criterion?
Well regardless of what we decide, all I really need to know is this: DO I or Do i not need to computer edit these???
-because its pointless for me to enter if my entry will be ignored and disliked for that reason.
-because its pointless for me to enter if my entry will be ignored and disliked for that reason.
shadoworganoid said:
No, as long as the image looks completed and isn't hard to see, I believe that's the only visual requirement for the piece - the medium doesn't matter.
And if you feel it's pointless to enter just because you feel your piece won't get the recognition you think it deserves, then that's not really going to make you push yourself to improve, will it? Anyone entering to win or get recognition seems to be missing the point of friendly competition, at least in my opinion - it's about growing and learning how to get better, no matter what place you come in.
No, i dont mean it like that.
What I mean is; how can my entry be that bad to only get 1 vote!?
-I know my sketch isnt my best work. I post some of my really good work before.
-But the consept was good. It was fairly original.
-And took forever to finish. lol
There just seems to be a bias towards computer edited entrys. They received all the votes. LOL
What I mean is; how can my entry be that bad to only get 1 vote!?
-I know my sketch isnt my best work. I post some of my really good work before.
-But the consept was good. It was fairly original.
-And took forever to finish. lol
There just seems to be a bias towards computer edited entrys. They received all the votes. LOL
shadoworganoid said:
Well, I'm not going to try and say any entry deserved more or less votes, because that's up to the voters. I don't think it's really fair to call what they voted for into question, either - they honestly voted for what they thought was best, and I don't think I have the right (or know for sure) to say that they're biased. I'm sure they took every aspect of every entry into account before voting and voted fairly.
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shadoworganoid said:
That's just because people thought they were better. People like sugimori art better than digital art. So it's not like people are biased towards digital. Digital is usually better since you can do more quicker with it.
I don't want this thread to derail, so no more complaining about how many votes you recieved, it's not productive and ultimately it's going nowhere.
Right, here's the plan we will test out for 2 rounds. It's a simple system, but one that I think is superior to our old method. I ask that for now, nobody really criticises this- Although I care about your opinions, I think it is only fair that we test out something before passing judgement on it. You'll have your chance to comment on this in two months time, once it has been tested.
Step One: Characteristics (Time period: None, chosen during previous competition)
The first stage will be choosing the very framework of the Fakemon. People will submit their ideas for the very basic characteristics, such as:
-Typing
-Size/Build
-Evolution Line
-Anything else of note
For now, we won't have a vote on this. That's because I see us having so many entries that a vote would be practically impossible. I will simply pick what I feel is the most appropiate one, although I will probably ask around in private to gather additional opinions.
Step Two: Concept (Time period: 10 days to submit entries, 4 day vote)
Once the bare bones of the Fakemon have been decided, we move onto the Concept phase. Here, artists submit concept art of their Fakemon. Although we are not looking for polished pieces of artwork, the art must:
-Be reasonably neat
-Have sketches of the Fakemon at various angles (so we know what all of it looks like)
-Be in colour
As well as art, your entry must be accompanied by:
-Plenty of information about your Fakemon (Note: Not dex entries)
I will revert back to the old plan of voting on names, so do not include those in your entry. This is a community project, where a Fakemon is not created by an individual artist but by the opinions of the public. That is the entire philosophy of this competition.
The concept that wins a public vote in step two moves onto...
Step Three: Create! (Time period: 10 days to submit entries, 4 days to vote)
The final phase ties up everything together to create our final product. Here, artists submit polished pieces of art for the Fakemon concept that won the vote in step two. At the same time, votes will be held for:
-Names
-Dex entries (This is why it is important to give information about your concept in step two)
Once this final stage is over, the Fakemon will be complete! We then move onto the next round and repeat the process.
Right, here's the plan we will test out for 2 rounds. It's a simple system, but one that I think is superior to our old method. I ask that for now, nobody really criticises this- Although I care about your opinions, I think it is only fair that we test out something before passing judgement on it. You'll have your chance to comment on this in two months time, once it has been tested.
Step One: Characteristics (Time period: None, chosen during previous competition)
The first stage will be choosing the very framework of the Fakemon. People will submit their ideas for the very basic characteristics, such as:
-Typing
-Size/Build
-Evolution Line
-Anything else of note
For now, we won't have a vote on this. That's because I see us having so many entries that a vote would be practically impossible. I will simply pick what I feel is the most appropiate one, although I will probably ask around in private to gather additional opinions.
Step Two: Concept (Time period: 10 days to submit entries, 4 day vote)
Once the bare bones of the Fakemon have been decided, we move onto the Concept phase. Here, artists submit concept art of their Fakemon. Although we are not looking for polished pieces of artwork, the art must:
-Be reasonably neat
-Have sketches of the Fakemon at various angles (so we know what all of it looks like)
-Be in colour
As well as art, your entry must be accompanied by:
-Plenty of information about your Fakemon (Note: Not dex entries)
I will revert back to the old plan of voting on names, so do not include those in your entry. This is a community project, where a Fakemon is not created by an individual artist but by the opinions of the public. That is the entire philosophy of this competition.
The concept that wins a public vote in step two moves onto...
Step Three: Create! (Time period: 10 days to submit entries, 4 days to vote)
The final phase ties up everything together to create our final product. Here, artists submit polished pieces of art for the Fakemon concept that won the vote in step two. At the same time, votes will be held for:
-Names
-Dex entries (This is why it is important to give information about your concept in step two)
Once this final stage is over, the Fakemon will be complete! We then move onto the next round and repeat the process.
It's like the Smogon CAP but a lot less complicated. I like the frame. ^_^
I dunno, i liked the competitive aspect of the previous tournies. I also liked that it wasn't like CAP. :[
Well, I dont care how we go about this, as long as my odds of winning are not reduced by it not being computer edited.
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