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I just upped and liked every post that opposes YPPY because it simply is detrimental on a forum of this size. You can't have both, it just doesn't fit and YPPY takes activity away from other more intuitive games. All this is gonna do is end in something nasty that nobody wants to happen.
 
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You really shouldn't be scared of the Game section being in jeopardy. I'll protect it with my life. :D

Celever, it doesn't take up slots at all. We have limitations for posting games. Werewolf and The Challenge are also games for which we don't want too many of the same game happening simultaneously, since it will often be too much to focus on many games and it would split up those with time for only one. That we have (a limited amount of) posting games going on, doesn't mean we allow less other games next to those.

We also put time limits on posting games for a reason. We won't approve another counting game right after one ended; if that was the case there we wouldn't be a need to end the previous one. This goes for all posting games; we won't allow similar games fast after one another. As you can see in the second post (the approval post) they don't last that long. You can see different games that are proposed once in a while for a limited amount of time and they won't be repeated again until maybe a few months later (can be more if a bigger variety of posting games are proposed and the waiting list is longer). Because we have so many limitations to posting games, I really don't think it will endanger the activity of the other games (significantly) at all. It is also something new members can easily start with and for them to play easy games with the more experiences players to become part of the Forum Game community.

For now let's just give it a shot with the new limitations (something we didn't have in the past) and if it really doesn't work out we can always destroy the forum game section make some changes.

I'd like to hear more about your idea too, professorlight.
 
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I know for a fact that the count to 50 game /literally/ goes on forever unless there's some sort of miracle, and the Ban Game is just spamspamspam. It's just a bad idea in general.
 
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With all due respect Drohn, I feel that this is a decision which should be msde by the community; the people who are going to play the games. This is why I created that survey earlier which ks still open, but the results are already incredibly one-sided.
 
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@Scorched Feathers: They cannot due to the time limit.

@Celever: The decision is made by the community. The games are proposed by and played by the community.

I used to never even look at the forum game section. VG was my place to be. I liked IRC Werewolf, because it was fast and fun. I didn't realise other games that required more time were also fun until I had to moderate these forums and tried them for myself. These easy to join games can have a similar effect of getting people involved with the section.

I also quite like some of the posting games and others do to.
 
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Hey, don't go assuming all the mods were in favour of this decision. :p For my part, I don't plan on touching the PC++ games with a 10-foot pole unless absolutely necessary.

I also have a fun, more involved game that I plan to post up and run when I get back home after my vacation, so stay tuned. :D
 
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Drohn said:
@Celever: The decision is made by the community. The games are proposed by and played by the community.
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Hardly. It seems a large portion of the community are against post games, many of them having been around to see the old game corner deleted. From what I can see, only a handful of members actually support it.
 
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As I said, I won't let the Game section be deleted. :p Not everyone likes the same games, but that doesn't mean we should forbid them all. They shouldn't get in the way of other forum games with the mentioned limitations.
 
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Drohn said:
@Scorched Feathers: They cannot due to the time limit.

@Celever: The decision is made by the community. The games are proposed by and played by the community.

I used to never even look at the forum game section. VG was my place to be. I liked IRC Werewolf, because it was fast and fun. I didn't realise other games that required more time were also fun until I had to moderate these forums and tried them for myself. These easy to join games can have a similar effect of getting people involved with the section.

I also quite like some of the posting games and others do to.
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This argument is false, since YPPY was only removed a short while ago. Hurt/Heal is an example of a YPPY game, the last this subforum has had for a few months, and even I was around to see that sorry mess. So not getting into FG because of it being all large games isn't really an argument. In fact, I'm prett sure this subforum has seen an increase in users since I joined the site? Active ones, anyway. There were some which signed up for games but then just sorta left for a while, like Poseidon or Rock Wrecker iirc.

Besides, I actually think that the larger games like Werewolf are better for getting into the community. We might look like a mean bunch here, but almost everyone here is helpful and kind to new users. Take it from me, since the community has only had a few additions since I joined and no one of note has really left. People like MTC and WW were really welcoming for me, and guess how I met them? The Challenge Season 4, not the various pc++ games that were being thrown about! Things users do in games like Werewolf and Kingdoms are memorable (great fire lord king adrian :p) but in pc++ games you don't get to know a person. You don't looka t someone and think "lol they banned me for [insert reason here] in that one thread!", do you? As such, communities full of pc++ games can be quite hostile to a new user interested in joining the community. This is not a danger in games like Werewolf, because you will always learn about different players in the game even if you just read it. So pc++ is bad for people trying to get into the community.

Drohn said:
As I said, I won't let the Game section be deleted. :p Not everyone likes the same games, but that doesn't mean we should forbid them all. They shouldn't get in the way of other forum games with the mentioned limitations.
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I think you're missing the point of us bringing that up. While it is a worry, the main point of talking about the Game Corner being deleted before (or in my case various forum game subforums on various sites) is to show you just how detrimental pc++ games are. I have never seen a forum games sub forum which doesn't allow pc++ deleted,a nd there are a few sites like this. However, and I'm thinking mainly about Smogon here since I was around when it happened, another subforum, which was actually the social subforum which is hidden from guests without an account. Anyway, the mods there had the bright idea to post a few pc++ forum games, just to see how it would go down. It went down fantastically for the people who enjoyed those kinds of games, but every thread int hewhole entire subforum besides those game threads and the actual forum game section plummeted in activity. The whole social subforum was then deleted by the site owner for a year before reopening it recently. This shows that pc++ games are truly the problem, because the actual forum games subforum stuck around.

Many sites and forums now realize the impact that these sorts of games have and do not allow the, any more. This is why I don't even want to have these types of games reintroduced. The small minority of users who like these types of games will also enjoy longer games. If not, then, while I'm usually not utilitarian, I do believe that it is a good mindset to have in certain situations, and this is one of them. When you're makong decisions about a community you have to ask yourself "how many people are going to enjoy this?" If you look here, the vast majority do not like them. I'm not going to reveal the results for the survey because obviously not everyone has voted in it (it's in an earlier post if you want to vote! It's free! :D) but right now let's just say that if yout urned this ratio into a betting ratio, any man with sense would not go for it.
 
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Let's everyone chill out for a few seconds and breath for a while, shall we? xD If YPPY Games suddenly get uncontrolled or does not accomplish the expectations, they would simply be deleted themselves instead of the whole Game Corner. As simple as that.

professorlight said:
I've been thinking since a while ago, and especially since the downfall of my gen7 project, to run a project runway style game but with fakemon, sort of like the CAC contest. I think you guys have your hands full of games now, but if you ever want to give it a try, just let me know.
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You mean like the CAP Project [smod]PG24[/smod] and King Arceus held ages ago?

http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-pokebeach-create-a-pokemon-project
http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-create-a-pokemon-art-submissions
http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-cap-1-naming-and-pokedex
http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-cap-theorymon
http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-cap-1-has-finished

Phew, it took me like an hour to find it again, the Forums were a mess beck then. Some part was in the Artist's Studio, other in the PokéBeach Central and one in Competitive VG... xD

Edit: If this were to happen(which I really do hope so :D ), I think it would be appropriate for it to go in the Fan Fakes Forums, to tie in with the CaC.
 
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Luispipe8 said:
Let's everyone chill out for a few seconds and breath for a while, shall we? xD If YPPY Games suddenly get uncontrolled or does not accomplish the expectations, they would simply be deleted themselves instead of the whole Game Corner. As simple as that.
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You'd think so, but that's not how it works. Eventually the YPPY games get so popular that they are the Game Corner to the perception of others, so the whole sub forum is deleted, despite the WW games being played at the time. This is because the WW games will end up getting increasingly smaller in length, size, and fun. Once YPPY games are deleted, lots of the community just disappears, because the majority of them would have moved on to other sites due to the pc++. It would just be history repeating itself, and I don't want it to happen here because this is the best Forum Games community I've run into. ;_;
 
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Do you understand the limitations I explained? From your whole text and all your responses I really think you don't. Posting games will be around occasionally from time to time for some variety/nostalgia. After the games have ended (and a time limit is already set from the start as seen in the second post for each game) it will be a while before we have another posting game. The amount of posting games we do allow and the limited times they are available won't give them the chance to take over the forum. It's just for everyone to enjoy once in a while every few months.
 
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Looks like we have tons of members who don't like the idea of posting games and will stick to playing the more intellectual games like WW and Resistance... awesome! That means the type of games we have now will stay active and posting games can exist separately from them. I wasn't around for the original age of posting games, but I really don't see how they'll distract members from other parts of the forums. I also want to clarify that we will not allow simple "counting" games (count to 50 before a mod posts gets a free pass because it's a classic). That's boring. I know people can come up with interesting ideas for posting games that aren't just posting a number and leaving it at that. If activity really does die down in the more in-depth games, we can prohibit posting games. I think we can do a good enough job of making sure these posting games don't get too out of control.
 
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Drohn said:
Do you understand the limitations I explained? From your whole text and all your responses I really think you don't. Posting games will be around occasionally from time to time for some variety/nostalgia. After the games have ended (and a time limit is already set from the start as seen in the second post for each game) it will be a while before we have another posting game. The amount of posting games we do allow and the limited times they are available won't give them the chance to take over the forum. It's just for everyone to enjoy once in a while every few months.
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This arguably splits the community even more. Eventually the mindset of the people who want to play Werewolf will be "oh God another PC++ game let's get out of here". Every time one is posted activity in the main games will drop. You can see it now with Camo's Werewolf game, in fact. KoN and I are posting in it. Others are not, despite having posted even in this thread. This is probably because they are distracted by posting or reading in the YPPY threads. Every time there is a break in pc++ games the people who come to this subforum for said games but don't care for Werewolf will stop coming here. Once they are posted, the people who play in games like Werewolf will have to really struggle with keeping their threads active and live. I'm lucky because I'm already only going to be hosting a 20-man game, so hopefully we'll be able to scrape that many active players together. If I were hosting a 30-man game I'd be cutting down the roles right now thanks to this being reintroduced.

Even if the spam games are on and off, it doesn't remedy the problem. In fact, it makes them rarer. The main issue with them is that they become a distraction; if there's only one or two posted every two months, when they DO happen they will be an even larger distraction than before. The only way this could possibly work is to actually alternate Werewolf and PC++, never having the two game types overlap. This would hugely take away from the quality of this sub forum. You can already see from the uproar of users, most of which well-established in the community like PMJ, TheGuy and SF, the backlash of having PC++ games. Lots of us have already experienced the pain of having a community broken up because of them, which is why we are trying to not let the same thing happen to this subforum. Restricting the amount of games hosted isn't going to stop the community being broken up, because there will always be some who don't play PC++ and some who don't play Werewolf. Right now, this is a tight community of people who love the certain kind of game this forum hosts, that being long, strategical and games with a real goal or accomplishment to achieve, whether that be winning individually (Kingdoms, The Challenge) or as a team (Werewolf, Avalon). If PC++ games are introduced there will always be a certain division in the community which is something that we all want to avoid... All it takes is one person from one community to step over the line and all the flaming kicks off.
 
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Are you guys upset about these posting games or the fact you can't count to 50?

I don't think a game or two like that will completely ruin the Game Corner. As long as mods control it (as we have obviously watched over them; we've swept everyone in the counting game) then hopefully it wouldn't come to a situation like that. If it does get bad, then something will probably happen, but a little fun every now and then isn't going damage the community. Sure, the more detailed games may actually be worth playing, and it's good that you criticize this game more than the complex ones (shows you care for some actual meaning behind the game), but live a little but having one or two games like that should not (with some control) distract the whole community.
 
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To add to that, people lurk in Werewolf all the time. They likely have a good role and want to lay low or don't have anything to add yet. You can't blame it on other games going on. If that was the case we should only have 1 ongoing game at all times.

I don't expect you guys to turn it into a flame war. :p And we'll be moderating the games too to keep things under control when needed.
 
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Well that was a fun read, and not tense at all.

Ice Espeon said:
How does it work?
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Drohn said:
I'd like to hear more about your idea too, professorlight.
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Luispipe8 said:
You mean like the CAP Project PG24 and King Arceus held ages ago?
http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-pokebeach-create-a-pokemon-project
http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-create-a-pokemon-art-submissions
http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-cap-1-naming-and-pokedex
http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-cap-theorymon
http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-cap-1-has-finished
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Based on what I've read so far, it's not like it; that seems to be more like what the gen7 project was about, but more competitively oriented and collectively designing one pokemon instead of a whole generation.

What I had in mind was like this. That's the challenge I helped palutena run; my idea goes more or less in that direction, but the participants can make teams to handle the different parts of the design, there would be three judges (one for design, one for the competitive aspect and one for art and presentation) and... I don't know, the TCG could be included too?

Basically, X amount of teams/individuals make a single pokemon each, the judges review/guide them individually halfway and at the end, they judge the best in all three aspects.
 
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If someone stops posting in Werewolf games etc. because they are distracted by a few YPPY games, then they surely don't care enough about the serious games to deserve the right to play them, and those games would be better off without them.

IIRC, at the time of the Game Corner problems there were no mods at all here; now we have three. Three moderators should be more than enough to ensure that the forum does not descend into chaos
 
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Ice Espeon said:
IIRC, at the time of the Game Corner problems there were no mods at all here; now we have three. Three moderators should be more than enough to ensure that the forum does not descend into chaos
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Wait, there were 0 mods at the time? Pfffft. That pretty much removes any of my worries that this will get out of control again.
 
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Good job in the count game! I was actually watching you guys and didn't want to end it early, but then somehow you got to 50 in less than three minutes, haha. Nicely done!
 
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