Free-will vs Destiny

Free-will or Destiny

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Make time for Lost. This is what the basis of the show's point is IMO.

Idk about all this religious mumbo-jumbo, but I believe in destiny. Purpose is purpose and if something bad was supposed to happen, it was supposed to happen so it doesn't happen again and we learn from our mistakes.

dmaster out.
 
Free Will.If you have Free Will you can do your destiny.Fu-fil your dream IMO.
 
for all those that are shaman king fan's (or not) I'm pretty sure that you heard that he did a short series afterwards called jumbor (it was very unpopular even though the story and concept were pretty good by all standards), anyways the main character of the series had this motto which went something like "your own path can only be created by yourself" or "you must create your own path".

in the end we all have freewill and we all have a destiny, weather or not you want to believe one over the other is up to, destiny and freewill are 2 different things, one is who you are and one is what happens to you and both are inevitable beyond reason. cya
 
As an athiest I don't believe in destiny for a second. There's no possible way of predicting the future
 
WailmerMan said:
As an athiest I don't believe in destiny for a second. There's no possible way of predicting the future
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People will say otherwise, as Nostradamus has predicted the future by looking at the stars. He is the one that predicted the 9/11 attacks, Katrina flood and many others. There is also a computer program made to predict the future though I don't have much information on it.
 
#1weavile said:
People will say otherwise, as Nostradamus has predicted the future by looking at the stars. He is the one that predicted the 9/11 attacks, Katrina flood and many others. There is also a computer program made to predict the future though I don't have much information on it.
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it's said now that what he said was twisted to make it seem like he predicted them.
 
Nostradamus? The bloke who made thousands of vague predictions which would come true "one day"? Oh yeah, evidence of destiny right there.

I don't see why destiny would even exist. It seems like a way of rationalizing when either good or bad things happen to you ("wow, I left my car keys at home, went back, got a phonecall and won a trip to Hawaii, must be destiny!"), nothing which random chance can't account for. If it was your destiny to do great things and become president and what have you, it was equally someone's destiny to be born without a skin and die within a week.

Destiny to me is an invention by Astrology and the likes. Basically it comes down to self-fulfilling predictions. The royal astrologer of country X says that X will crush country Y in battle when Saturn rises in capricorn or whatever. So, the king orders his army to attack when this happens, and OMG they win! Obviously astrology must be true!
 
#1weavile said:
People will say otherwise, as Nostradamus has predicted the future by looking at the stars. He is the one that predicted the 9/11 attacks, Katrina flood and many others. There is also a computer program made to predict the future though I don't have much information on it.
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Nostradamus never predicted anything, at least there was no truth in it. Anyone with a clear mind knows predicting the future is nonsense, although many people want to be misleaded these days.

Nostradamus didn't 'predict' just a few things, he made thousand of predictions. Also note that these predictions were utterly vague and one is able to make hundreds of different outcomes just depending how he or she interpretates them.

And please don't believe the quatrain that has been going over the internet, it's a hoax. I haven't been able to find a real prediction about (what is interpretated by the most as) Twin Towers. I'll try to add one later.
 
WailmerMan said:
As an athiest I don't believe in destiny for a second. There's no possible way of predicting the future
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Well, technically... destiny isn't the prediction of the future, it's the concept of a fixed final result for every life on the planet. Fixed is the key word here; due to the lack of ability to change the future or see it there is no real evidence that it can or can't exist. The present can't change the future because the affects in the present were always preordained to have happened, theoretically.

The point of quoting you is that there is nothing god-related or even remotely religious about destiny, in my perspective.
 
As many have said before your destiny depends on your freewill. Since we can't see into the future, we can say everything that will occur in our life time is destiny since we can't change it. So the saying is true. 'You can't change your destiny, no man can'
 
kashmaster said:
Since we can't see into the future, we can say everything that will occur in our life time is destiny since we can't change it.
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anyway this thread is pretty much do you believe in god or not
 
#1weavile said:
People will say otherwise, as Nostradamus has predicted the future by looking at the stars. He is the one that predicted the 9/11 attacks, Katrina flood and many others. There is also a computer program made to predict the future though I don't have much information on it.
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Do I smell a misconception? Yes, it's very distinct. :p

Destiny is NOT predciting the future. Destiny is what will happen, and you cannot change that. You are destined to make certain choices which will lead to certain things.

And Nostradamus didn't predict 9/11 or Katrina. He is no smarter than a human today.

So yeah, I belive it's Destiny: everything happens for a reason, and your choices are destined to be those choices, even if you think you are choosing them at the time.
 
I didn't say that predicitng the future was destiny, someone had said that no one can predict the future, and I stated my opinion.

If I predict something will happen that has not happened yet, it will happen.

Such as, Pokebeach won't be here forever or the world will end.
 
Predicting the future is the only way to, in any way, have any effect on destiny. Every other time destiny would have run its course, and it wouldn't have changed.

How in ANY way does god have to do with destiny? It's not even a religion-specific concept. You can take god out of the equation and the concept still functions.
 
But why would be believe our destiny is already fixed, like we are puppets living our lives with actually no purpose. Since it's impossible to look in the future, to travel in time or any other way to get to know our ''destiny'' we won't able to change it. In our perspective there's running our timeline we live in, since we aren't able to look beyond it we can never (not yet) present any evidence your destiny is fixed. Like saying there's a creature under my bed but you can't see it, hear it, touch it, smell nor taste it. Also there's no other way to detect it, what would give you the evidence to believe that? The same is with our destiny if you really interpretate it as a fixed, unchangable thing and we are the puppets of the show. Saying it is my destiny to talk about this subject right now has also no value, since we don't know if it was possible I could've done something else if I would've made a different choice in the past. So again; I believe everything relies on your own choices, you have the ability to choose you own destiny and I don't see why that wouldn't be like that.
 
I'd like to point out the fact that being a part of a religion and believing in destiny are 2 different thing's, yes religion like's to run amuck by saying that they put there whole everything to believe in a preconceived notion that has been handed down to them by the god's, but what make's them so special and not us? so being an atheist has nothing to do with believing in a destiny or not and you don't need physical evidence to believe something, it's in human nature to have faith and hope in something that may not exist as of this current moment, and to believe that destiny is some notion of us being puppet's is the same as us looking into the future, we live to live now, we don't live to know what could be ahead in the future weather or not we decide, desire, or want to believe is a belief like choosing fate over destiny, which are by all means are two completely different thing's.

fate vs destiny we decide our fate or we leave it up to destiny, or freewill or subordination to live for myself or to not. one is belief and one is not. you believe in destiny you don't believe in freewill, why? cause we all have freewill, it's the reason why we all make choice's in life. cya
 
In which case, using Occam's razor, we can assume that there no such thing as destiny.

According to the dictionary definition of Atheism, yes, you can still believe in destiny, because it doesn't necessary require any theism. But usually one could assume that those who are atheist are also skeptical towards other claims which lack evidence and have nothing which hints to their existence, destiny being one of them.
I see no workable mechanism which would allow for destiny (other than the trivial stuff like "you're gonna die, it's your destiny, lolz"), so there is pretty much no reason to believe in it. I also fail to see any advantages of believing in destiny despite the lack of evidence.

Also, about my previous examples 2 posts ago: Way to miss the point.
In example one, belief doesn't matter. Say this person demonstrates or otherwise proves that he indeed does have these powers. It's about theoretical free will vs realistic free will.
In example two, the 2nd question, "is it their own will?" wasn't answered. It's not really free will when it's controlled by someone else, is it?
 
I wouldn't so much say that destiny exists, as does a long chain of decisions you make that eventually get you where you are. In other words, you have free will. However, your actions are likely to be influenced by what you are good at/bad at, what you like/don't like etc. Therefore, it's not completely unreasonable to say that it's someone's "destiny" to become a doctor, scientist, musician, etc..., based on what their interests are. That being said, it's completely silly to say that it's someone's destiny to win the lottery on their first try, or their destiny to *insert some other luck based event here* and such.

Also, I would like to clear up a misconception that God has anything to do with destiny. I'm a Christan and I don't believe that everything in my life is predetermined. We don't believe that everything is one big puppet show.
 
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