I have actually been testing out Bouffalant BW as a Sigilyph counter. With a DCE, it can OHKO Sigilyph, and it's been working really well so far. The only bad part about is its second attack, which is not worth using.
Good Sigilyph Counter
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We need a better counter.
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Better? Think about everything that a good counter should be:
- take up as little deck space as possible
- low energy cost
- can OHKO the Pokemon it's meant to counter
As a Basic, Meloetta fulfills all of these requirements. The only thing that could make Meloetta better is if Psychic cost [C] instead of [P].
Sigilyph@Eviolite effectively has 110 HP. No Basic can do 110 for 1 without hitting for Weakness, so Meloetta is really the best you can get.
Compare Meloetta to Terrakion or Bouffalant who each require 2 Energy and can't OHKO if Sigilyph has Eviolite attached.
In a deck that's as tight on resources as Blastoise is, you should be embracing such a simple counter instead of turning your nose up at it.
If you're worried about Enhanced Hammer, just use basic Psychic Energy instead of Prism. You can even get them back with Energy Retrieval if you really need to.
- take up as little deck space as possible
- low energy cost
- can OHKO the Pokemon it's meant to counter
As a Basic, Meloetta fulfills all of these requirements. The only thing that could make Meloetta better is if Psychic cost [C] instead of [P].
Sigilyph@Eviolite effectively has 110 HP. No Basic can do 110 for 1 without hitting for Weakness, so Meloetta is really the best you can get.
Compare Meloetta to Terrakion or Bouffalant who each require 2 Energy and can't OHKO if Sigilyph has Eviolite attached.
In a deck that's as tight on resources as Blastoise is, you should be embracing such a simple counter instead of turning your nose up at it.
If you're worried about Enhanced Hammer, just use basic Psychic Energy instead of Prism. You can even get them back with Energy Retrieval if you really need to.
I never said that Meloetta was a bad counter, I just rather would have one who attack cost is colorless, does not relie on a Boost(retaliate) or PlusPower, and is not weak to the pokemon it is meant to counter. Just saying.
It takes at least 2 turns to set up a new Sigilyph. Meloetta can kill it in 1, provided the target has 2 or more Energy (although Eviolite can't be present in that case).Envoyofduels said:
Make no mistake, Meloetta is the best Sigilyph counter you are going to get that isn't Rayquaza, Terrakion, or something of the like. And even then, Meloetta is still better due to needing only 1 Energy.
It only needs 1 {P} and Sigilyph goes home crying. Meloetta makes Quad-Sigi mirror matches tip in her favor.
A Sigilyph counter whose attack cost is only (or mostly) Colorless, other than Sigilyph itself (or other Psychic types)? It doesn't exist.
You did not want a "better" counter. You wanted a "different" counter, Envoy. A Sigilyph counter better than Meloetta? That doesn't exist either.
DNA said:
Your bold points are redundant, as I am away of those facts. Just because they don't exist doesn't mean I could wish for a different choice. Also as far as I know quad sigh runs Mewtwo, and there goes your Meloetta. Don't get me wrong I agree, just annoyed.
So pair Meloetta with other cards like your own Sigilyph and/or own Mewtwo. Nothing is stopping you from going hard against Sigilyph like that considering both of those cards are pretty strong against the metagame as a whole.
Tbh, a trifecta like that could be considered a "counter" as a whole. Kinda funny to think of it that way, but hey, it's the only way to cover your bases. Meloetta is definitely the key though. He gets around Sigilyph for the least amount of work.
dmaster out.
Tbh, a trifecta like that could be considered a "counter" as a whole. Kinda funny to think of it that way, but hey, it's the only way to cover your bases. Meloetta is definitely the key though. He gets around Sigilyph for the least amount of work.
dmaster out.
dmaster said:
*sigh* Psychic types.
Honestly Keldeo non ex is going to be your best bet as far as consistency goes its a no-brainer.
ctrl+alt+aria said:
In blastoise, I agree
...Then stop complaining. No amount of it will create an ideal card for you. You have to work with what you have, and make it work.
Your best options for stopping Sigilyph are:
~Meloetta BCR
~Rayquaza DRV
~Zekrom BW
~Giratina EX DRX
~Keldeo BCR (110 HP)
~Terrakion NVI
~Bouffalant BW
~Virizion EPO
~Reshiram BW
~Dusknoir BCR (lol)
All of those guys can OHKO Sigilyph, but the bolded ones can do it even with an Eviolite on the target (Meloetta can OHKO a Sigi with 3 Energy, or 2 Energy and no Eviolite), although Keldeo does need 2 more Energy to break through the Eviolite. If Eviolites are a problem, use Tool Scrapper. (Technically, Reshiram BW can break through the Eviolite too, but it needs to spend 2 Energy to do so, so it's not as reliable as Zekrom - and a subsequent Outrage later on might not OHKO Sigilyph.)
Pick your poison. Or look through the set lists and find a good one to use yourself - something might pop out at you. That's what happened to me when looking for a Terrakion counter, and it might happen to you too. It may not need to be Basic, either.
Your best options for stopping Sigilyph are:
~Meloetta BCR
~Rayquaza DRV
~Zekrom BW
~Giratina EX DRX
~Keldeo BCR (110 HP)
~Terrakion NVI
~Bouffalant BW
~Virizion EPO
~Reshiram BW
~Dusknoir BCR (lol)
All of those guys can OHKO Sigilyph, but the bolded ones can do it even with an Eviolite on the target (Meloetta can OHKO a Sigi with 3 Energy, or 2 Energy and no Eviolite), although Keldeo does need 2 more Energy to break through the Eviolite. If Eviolites are a problem, use Tool Scrapper. (Technically, Reshiram BW can break through the Eviolite too, but it needs to spend 2 Energy to do so, so it's not as reliable as Zekrom - and a subsequent Outrage later on might not OHKO Sigilyph.)
Pick your poison. Or look through the set lists and find a good one to use yourself - something might pop out at you. That's what happened to me when looking for a Terrakion counter, and it might happen to you too. It may not need to be Basic, either.
DNA said:
My goodness you sure have it out for me.
I am well aware of my options, no need to treat me as if I do not know.
No, it will not create an ideal card but one can hope for better options as well as express frustrations with the lack of options that work for me. Or are we not aloud to do that?
Thank you guys so much for the suggestions. What do you guys think of Kyurem Nvi he takes 3 turns to kill all your opponents sigilyphs without Eviolite?
Thats going as my signature lol.
PMJ said:after reading your post I went and looked for a better counter
it took a while but I found one
Thats going as my signature lol.
Envoyofduels said:
What do you expect when Sigilyph is weak to Psychic? Don't sigh at the cards; it's the game's design that's the problem when they have multiple Psychic types weak to other Psychic types. It's because of that they end up being the best counter. This is why people didn't like Mewtwo. Because the best way to stop Mewtwo is with Mewtwo. >_> This is not new and very similar to that.
dmaster out.