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Grinders counter deck.

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PokeKid Brandon

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Well, this deck was supposed to be a secret that a couple of my freinds were gonna use grinders in the upcoming week.

However they've been being losers latlely so i've decided to let the cat out of the bag on their deck that they planned on using.

The concept of this deck was that we wanted to build a deck that could handle the big 3 of the format (reshiphlosion, megajudge and Stage 1's) however we also knew that it had to be really fast as we knew that grinders were going to be b03 with a time limit of 35 and plus 5 turns. Don't ask how I know this beacuse I'm not even supposed to know this and I'll probabyl end up getting in trouble for advertaising it. However I really wanna help you guys out so we can get as many PB members to grind into worlds as possible.

so here the list.
Pokemon:21
3 Deerling
3 Sawsbuck
2 Phanpy
2 Donphan
2 Snivy
1 Servine
2 Serperior
2 Magikarp
2 Shiny Gyarados
1 Cleffa
1 Tyrouge

Tss:28
4 Collector
4 PONT
3 Juniper
3 Junk Arm
3 Candy
2 Reversal
1 FSL
3 Comm
2 Plus Power
2 Switch
1 Defender

Energy:11
4 DCE
4 Rainbow
3 Grass Energy


List may look a little odd, and your probably wondering why the heck It plays sawsbuck. Well heres a reason. Its an AMAZING Donphan/yanmega/zoroark counter. It also counters the many decks that play yanmega. Simply beacuse once you get 1 or 2 Serperiors out you are healing most if not all damage that they can put out while swinging for a dece bit back. You'll be able to 2 hit yanmegas while they will come no where close that effectivly winning you the prize trade.

Some other counter pokemon that were included are donphan, for Magnezones which present a problem to our taked sawsbucks as they can just lost zone energy. With a pluspower and rainbow we just return KO them putting us back on top of the prize trade.

The other pokemon that helps this deck be able to counter the format is shiny gyarados which helps us with our reshiphloision matchup. With a defender your almost gaurnteed to survive a Blue Flare while swinging for OHKO's yourself. Assuming that at best they 2 hit you you will have taken 4 prizes with jsut your 2 Gyarados's. Also dont forget that you play FSL which allows you to get another gyara to take mroe prizes.

Everything else is pretty self explanatory.



Of course your probably thinking wth is this crap. Trust me this is what I thought at first too but then some of my buddies at league started playing it against me and I was jsut amazed at how perfectly it countered my decks that I had been testing for worlds. So all I can say is don't bag on it till you've tried it!
 
I thought this was a trolling post, but after I tried it in RS... It pretty much beat my reshiphlosion deck and my yanmega decks along with my stage 1 deck. VERY fast deck!
 
#1weavile said:
I thought this was a trolling post, but after I tried it in RS... It pretty much beat my reshiphlosion deck and my yanmega decks along with my stage 1 deck. VERY fast deck!
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See, this is what I thought alot of people would think. That its jsut some kid trolling but once you try it you really do start to see how well this deck beats some of the teir one deck that are expected at worlds.
 
Lol I thought the same exact thing..."pssh haha he's trolling...sawsbuck...hah"
But it seems there's some legitimacy to this, I'll try it later.
 
This is interesting.... I think another card with potential that we're overlooking here is Galvantula. It is just MEAN to Yanmega.
 
Let me do some testing and get back to you. Seems like you have a solid list, but I don't know.

Edit: Definitely the best rouge I have seen this format, I wasn't too impressed though, but of course I don't play Yanmega. It it a good thing for this deck that ZPS isn't going to see any play at the Grinder.
 
Does someone mind giving me the strategy of the deck. My take is that you just bring up a different pokemon depending on what your opponent is playing. Im assuming your trying to get a sawsbuck doing horn leech then healing the rest of the damage away but what if they can OHKO you?
 
Personally, I'd run Manaphy over Cleffa. It does need an energy, and gets only 5 cards, but it has 60 HP, saving you from Tyrogue donks. That also means it's safe against Yanmega, and reduces the amount of prizes they can snipe off your bench. Very cool deck, I'm definitely gonna test it.
 
What set is the Gyarados you're using from? Shining Gyarados isn't legal in the format, so I'm assuming you don't mean that...
 
I assume it's meant to use thrash with gyarados.... that doesn't even ohko reshirams without using some plus powers. Don't forget reversal/catcher, any wise player would use them in deck. I don't see how this even closely counters a good TyRam. It might counter some metagame decks, but not TyRam. I don't even need to test (not even with redshark lol) when i can theorycraft it that nicely. If you disagree, look at realism and not redshark.
 
I'm not getting Sawsbuck or Serperior. How does Sawsbuck counter stage 1 rush? It needs a DCE and a rainbow/grass to do 60 damage, while Donphan needs 1 energy to do 60, and yanmega needs 0 energy to do 70. If the opponent gets the first hit, you flat out lose. Even if you don't, you need Serperior and Sawbuck out turn 2, and with Sawsbuck charged up of course. That's not that easy to do in this deck. Also, you can't beat Reshiphlosion. Gyarados takes 3-4 turns to charge up, 3 with DCE 4 without. First off, you run low energy counts so you can't guarentee getting that much energy. Second, a consistent Reshiphlosion can sometimes set up turn 2, almost always by turn 3. Also, the only way to power Gyarados is to use Rainbow instead of water, which brings Gyarados's HP down to 120. Guess what can hit 120? That's right, Reshiram, the very card you are supposed to be countering. Also, since you have no energy acceleration, it takes you that 3-4 turns again to charge up your second Gyarados, but Typhlosion lets the second Reshiram be charged up in 1-2 turns. And if you are thinking I didn't playtest with this, I did do 1 match with it, against one of my less consistent Reshiphlosion decks. The Reshiphlosion got horrible luck and pulled no energy until turn 4, and still won 5-0.
 
^Serperior would heal the Rainbow damage.


Meaty said:
This is interesting.... I think another card with potential that we're overlooking here is Galvantula. It is just MEAN to Yanmega.
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It's too fragile.


Overall the seems like an interesting deck, but doesn't really seem to counter anything. Serperiors will
Be reversaled and ko'd.
 
Hmmm why dont you cut serperior and add in 3-2-2/1 Bellossom so you can also have the option of trainer lock? I know it only heals 1 dmg per turn instead of in between turns but still having the trainer lock option may help certain match ups. Of course you will have to cut some of your own trainers.
 
Riskbreakers said:
I tested one game vs Zero's MegaJudge. It wasn't a pretty sight for me. :/
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We'll play more games later on, but the deck just didn't threaten me. My Magnezone's only target will be Serperior and Yanmegas two shot Sawsbuck anyways. Because Yanmega's attack is free, it can easily outswarm Sawsbuck as they both two shot eachother (even if Serperior is in play). When serperior is out of play, I'm able to spread damage around with Kingdra and Yanmega. Donphan can threaten Magnezone, but it can't do much against yanmega in this matchup. Moreover, a single shot with donphan makes your entire bench 1-shotable with Kingdra and Yanmega. Donphan hurts you more than it hurts me. Gyarados is just a dead card in this matchup and ends up taking draw spots and giving me free prizes from Magikarps. Let's just say that I am not impressed.
 
^Indeed, it's funny when ppl claim that it counters something when it doesn't in realism. Don't theorycraft if you're bad at it. ;)
 
Zero said:
We'll play more games later on, but the deck just didn't threaten me. My Magnezone's only target will be Serperior and Yanmegas two shot Sawsbuck anyways. Because Yanmega's attack is free, it can easily outswarm Sawsbuck as they both two shot eachother (even if Serperior is in play). When serperior is out of play, I'm able to spread damage around with Kingdra and Yanmega. Donphan can threaten Magnezone, but it can't do much against yanmega in this matchup. Moreover, a single shot with donphan makes your entire bench 1-shotable with Kingdra and Yanmega. Donphan hurts you more than it hurts me. Gyarados is just a dead card in this matchup and ends up taking draw spots and giving me free prizes from Magikarps. Let's just say that I am not impressed.
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Sure, we can test more. One game isn't enough to test. You also did have the advantage of fully knowing your deck and I have no idea on what I was doing lol.
 
Meaty said:
This is interesting.... I think another card with potential that we're overlooking here is Galvantula. It is just MEAN to Yanmega.
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Problem with gaventula is it is kinda frail. However it is a good option since it fits in with the healing this deck has to offer. With a heal 40 along with up to 40 healed from your serperiors you HAVE to OHKO or you'll never get ti out of your way. Problem as mentioned is that it has 80 hp and F weakness. THis is whey we left it out and instead decided to just tank through yanmega's hits.

Vulpix Yolk said:
Let me do some testing and get back to you. Seems like you have a solid list, but I don't know.

Edit: Definitely the best rouge I have seen this format, I wasn't too impressed though, but of course I don't play Yanmega. It it a good thing for this deck that ZPS isn't going to see any play at the Grinder.
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Yea ZPS is pretty hard. Your best bet really is Donphan an FSL. You could tech in rescues to help though if your really worried about this MU.

Tyranodon said:
Does someone mind giving me the strategy of the deck. My take is that you just bring up a different pokemon depending on what your opponent is playing. Im assuming your trying to get a sawsbuck doing horn leech then healing the rest of the damage away but what if they can OHKO you?
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The stratgy is kidna like that HOPE deck from a while ago where you simply use whatever pokemon to hit hte weakness of your opponet while healing off any damage that they try and do so you can keep attacking longer.

TheBugManiac said:
Personally, I'd run Manaphy over Cleffa. It does need an energy, and gets only 5 cards, but it has 60 HP, saving you from Tyrogue donks. That also means it's safe against Yanmega, and reduces the amount of prizes they can snipe off your bench. Very cool deck, I'm definitely gonna test it.
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The problem with manaphy is that you dont play many free retreaters so you can't eek turn one if yuo really need too.

Zhaituki said:
I assume it's meant to use thrash with gyarados.... that doesn't even ohko reshirams without using some plus powers. Don't forget reversal/catcher, any wise player would use them in deck. I don't see how this even closely counters a good TyRam. It might counter some metagame decks, but not TyRam. I don't even need to test (not even with redshark lol) when i can theorycraft it that nicely. If you disagree, look at realism and not redshark.
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They planned on using Gyarados's second attack.

I also agree with you that on paper this deck shoulndt work. But thats the same wtih Megajudge which is argubly BDIF right now. Don't hate on it till you try!


Tyranodon said:
Hmmm why don't you cut serperior and add in 3-2-2/1 Bellossom so you can also have the option of trainer lock? I know it only heals 1 dmg per turn instead of in between turns but still having the trainer lock option may help certain match ups. Of course you will have to cut some of your own trainers.
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That is an option that we looked at but it just kinda made the deck clunky. But when it did work this deck was even more amazing. Trainer lock in the short amount of time for the grinder is amazing if you can get it setup quickly.
 
HOPE was good due to it being both fast and consistent. HOPE was a stage1/basic deck, so it could get away with this. Your deck can't hold a candle to real decks (as it would appear). I have seen consistency problems when playing solitaire and in real games, nothing the deck played threatened my Megazone build. If you want, we should play on PlayTCG later this week, PK B. Also, flag me down at worlds on thursday. I certainly want to play against you so that you can prove me wrong.
 
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