Gyarados deck and Metagame discussions...
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That is where it got popular. Fabian Grenier won French Nationals with it, but no one stateside had ever seen the deck itself until worlds. As I recall, when I heard about Gyarados winning in France, I was like "wtf?" That's what inspired me to make that stupid Gyarados/Kingdra deck that I beat Demitri's lame "Stall-Gon" deck with at league. Of course at that time, no one really knew how the original deck was made.SourMilk said:
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I don't know how accurate that statement is, but I can't disprove it in any way. However, the basic deck build that most people are referring to as "French Fish" or "French Gyarados" is Fabien Grenier's list from Worlds. It's being talked about a lot most likely due to its good performance at Worlds.qnetykz said:
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one thing is for sure at least, gyarados is definitely becoming a meta game deck.
The cycle of Gyarados, as seen by Lou Cypher:
At CCs, people test out Gyarados mainly with Togekiss and stuff for Dragon Beat and the odd Wreak Havoc (I LOVE THAT NAME!), ignoring Tail Revenge alltogether. Some people try to make it work by dumping Karps and Restoring Gyara, which is too slow, and left and right you see the current day version, it just lacks good recovery.
Come States, BTS and Pokemon Rescue are released making Gyarados much better, however due to past experiences it is shunned in favor of the new SP craze. However, in France (Where the meta is DP-PT for Nationals), it wins Nationals.
RR is released and still it is very much under the radar. I have picked it up by then (Too late for my own nationals) and wrote an article about it (Which hit a lot on the head), but it took Worlds and Fabien posting his list to see just how good Gyarados is.
Now, during the BR's, numerous people use it as evident from claiming second place in the number of top cuts (Second only to all Flygon varieties), and since its just so powerful, people struggle to find counters for it while also countering other top tier decks. Gyarados is just so different from most other Tier 1 decks - Beedrill is the only comparison.
Come Cities, people will know and be prepared for Gyarados. Tangrowth X and Expert Belt are two new enemies for him, as well as the new Luxray. My prediction is that Gyara will still be around for Cities, in the same way we saw Kingdra last year at Cities - Still a high tier deck, not dominating at all.
At CCs, people test out Gyarados mainly with Togekiss and stuff for Dragon Beat and the odd Wreak Havoc (I LOVE THAT NAME!), ignoring Tail Revenge alltogether. Some people try to make it work by dumping Karps and Restoring Gyara, which is too slow, and left and right you see the current day version, it just lacks good recovery.
Come States, BTS and Pokemon Rescue are released making Gyarados much better, however due to past experiences it is shunned in favor of the new SP craze. However, in France (Where the meta is DP-PT for Nationals), it wins Nationals.
RR is released and still it is very much under the radar. I have picked it up by then (Too late for my own nationals) and wrote an article about it (Which hit a lot on the head), but it took Worlds and Fabien posting his list to see just how good Gyarados is.
Now, during the BR's, numerous people use it as evident from claiming second place in the number of top cuts (Second only to all Flygon varieties), and since its just so powerful, people struggle to find counters for it while also countering other top tier decks. Gyarados is just so different from most other Tier 1 decks - Beedrill is the only comparison.
Come Cities, people will know and be prepared for Gyarados. Tangrowth X and Expert Belt are two new enemies for him, as well as the new Luxray. My prediction is that Gyara will still be around for Cities, in the same way we saw Kingdra last year at Cities - Still a high tier deck, not dominating at all.
I played Gyarados at States last year, it just didn't win anything, and it was competitive.
expect tangrowth x gets beat by balziken fb and infernape 4 which will still probably be used alot
Salamance will also be a great counter, being as a single Crobat/PlusPower/Bucks training will nudge SF Salamance into OHKO range to Gyrados, and slap down the X, you take 2 prizes in the game, then SSU it back and bring up the next SF 'Mance, and rinse and repeat.
Of course, you could say the same thing about Salamance vs. anything else. But it wouldn't need PlusPower to do it. Power Spray and natural inconsistency will create some problems for Salamance. But it might be an okay deck, I haven't tested it much.
How is expert Belt a counter? Ok, so other decks do 20 more damage and have 20 more HP against Gyarados but then when Gyarados knocks out the expert belt pokemon it takes 2 prizes. If you're saying it's a counter against Gyarados it's a counter against everything. And why can't Gyarados run expert belt as well?
Luxray AoA is a pretty inefficient counter. It OHKO's Gyarados for 3 energy, Gyarados does 90 for 0 and with help could easily one-shot a Luxray. Doesn't seem like an amazing counter to me.
Luxray AoA is a pretty inefficient counter. It OHKO's Gyarados for 3 energy, Gyarados does 90 for 0 and with help could easily one-shot a Luxray. Doesn't seem like an amazing counter to me.
The best Gyarados counter is Luxray variants, which Gyarados could still defeat. In AoA, Luxray AoA does pretty much nothing seeing how quickly Gyarados can outspeed it.
I have on question about Gyarados~ Why are people playing Registeel and not Regice? Doesn't Regice actually do things against SP's, where Registeel just heals itself?
I have on question about Gyarados~ Why are people playing Registeel and not Regice? Doesn't Regice actually do things against SP's, where Registeel just heals itself?
IIRC, it's just Uxie lvX combined with Crobat G and alot of SSU and Poketurn. main point would be to donk your opponent T1-2 dealing quick damage and Uxie also provides alot of speed so drawing into what you need won't be a problem.
On topic - I've never like Straight Gyarados its always so pradictable that i find it boring to play, which is why i combine it with palkia lvX and 4 switch and 4 Warp Energy for some good board control. it can be a little slower than a regular G-dos, but in the long-run, the effects are certainly worth it.
On topic - I've never like Straight Gyarados its always so pradictable that i find it boring to play, which is why i combine it with palkia lvX and 4 switch and 4 Warp Energy for some good board control. it can be a little slower than a regular G-dos, but in the long-run, the effects are certainly worth it.