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H( )UND

H( )UND

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A variant of this deck went unbeaten at the last BR I attended making me realize how good it is. I would appreciate some help going about setting up my own. Here is what I have so far:

Pokemon: 14

3 Sableye DEX
3 Darkrai EX
2-2-2 Hydreigon DRX
2 Mewtwo EX

T/S/S: 36

3 Rescue Scarf (I prefer over Cape)
4 Crushing Hammer
2 Enhanced Hammer
3 Pokemon Catcher
4 Dark Patch
2 Eviolite
4 N
4 Juniper
2 Switch
2 Bianca
4 Ultra Ball
1 Super Rod
1 Energy Switch

Energy: 10

10 {D}

EDIT 8/6/12 - Threw out Garbodor, I found Hydreigon much more useful so this is the deck I'm currently using. Tell me what you think!
 
drop 1 or 2 enhanced hammer and a 1-1 Garbo line. 3-3 works fine and you don't want to get Mewtwo donked...

I'd add a Dark Patch, Ultra Ball, and Exchange the Dark Claws for Eviolites. Maybe add energy switch or DCE to power up a Surprise Mewtwo (Cut a Dark Claw for it.)
I suggest adding more tools. 3 isnt gonna do well. I'd add maybe Giant Cape or Rescue Scarf (3) for the garbos. Cut a catcher (you run sableye) and maybe an energy. Idk what else.
 
Thanks for the help! I'll put it to good use; list updated.
 
darkrai to me, is useless with garbador. you lose the 0 retreat from darkrai.. what makes him special, :'/
 
ashtavakra said:
darkrai to me, is useless with garbador. you lose the 0 retreat from darkrai.. what makes him special, :'/
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This.....isn't true.

Darkrai is great because it has a great attack and access to the dark items. Sure, the free retreat helps, but Darkrai is an amazing attacker. The strategy usually is to lock them and hammer them out then sweep late game. Darkrai is very consistent, relatively hard to kill (Especially when your opponent doesn't have anymore energies), and can take multiple KOs on both heavy and low HP pokemon.
I prefer Terrakion, mainly because it counter pokemon and doesn't have a popular weakness, but Darkrai works very well too.
 
I'd take out an Energy Switch and a switch for 2 Tool Scrapper. It lets you remove your ability lock temporarily late game, allowing you to make the most of those free retreats.
 
Thats a nice idea. ^
However, I suggest a cut of only an Energy Switch for a Scrapper cause switch does the same thing as retreating, just better, and Scrapper is helpful to remove eviolite and large cloak as well. Removing your own tools is kind of.....dumb when you think about it, as you are wasting your own tools.
 
Puff said:
I'd take out an Energy Switch and a switch for 2 Tool Scrapper. It lets you remove your ability lock temporarily late game, allowing you to make the most of those free retreats.
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i believe in gengar prime said:
Since you are running 4 ultra ball you should run Bianca instead of cheren just for the sake of drawing more cards
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As for the Energy Switch/Switch, Tool Scrapper situation I contemplated this myself. I think I did underestimate the usefulness of Darkrai's ability, however, it hasn't been that big of a problem so far. Thanks for the feedback!

As for the Cheren vs. Bianca situation, it really comes down to preference and I very much prefer Cheren over Bianca but perhaps I just need to play Bianca more to get a feel for the card. I shall try both and get back to you. Thanks!

Edit 09/05/12 - Updated deck list, replaced Cheren with Bianca, replaced two {D} for two {C}{C}. Although I didn't have much of a chance to play test Bianca I do understand the logic behind her so I'm willing to take a chance. As for the DCE I found that placing a single Dark Energy on Mewtwo was a bit of a waste. I find the DCE to be much more useful. Thanks so much to everyone who helped with this deck.

To anyone else who still wishes to offer advice please feel free to do so. I won't consider this deck closed until after this Fall BR Season.
 
2-2-2 is not a good line for Hydreigon. IMO, you should probably focus more on Hydreigon. That said, I would drop the hammers and make it a traditional Hydreigon build. Imho, Hammertime is either a fast deck meant to lock the opponent out of the game early, or in the case of the garbador, just lock the opponent completely.
 
ryuninja said:
did you attend the Madison (TNLG) BR?
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I apologize for the last post if you saw it. Correction, I did indeed attend the Madison, TN BR and I will hopefully be attending this Sunday's BR in Dyersburg, TN. Hope to see you there!

Pokemonjoe, what would the traditional hydreigon build be? In my opinion, Hydreigon speeds up this deck with much more energy flow. With Dark Patch included I can power up my attackers much quicker without the traditional retreat/switch. However, I shall take your advice into mind as I play test over the next few days and get back to you. A Hydreigon/Sableye/Darkrai/Hammer deck came 1st and 3rd in the last two BR in my area. I am very eager to attempt this deck.

Thank you very much!
 
You're right it could work, but I just think a 3-1-3 line might work a bit better. However, testing is the best advice. Good luck!
 
pokemonjoe said:
You're right it could work, but I just think a 3-1-3 line might work a bit better. However, testing is the best advice. Good luck!
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Thanks very much! I will try that if I can get my hands on another Hydreigon in time for BR.
 
H( )UND said:
I apologize for the last post if you saw it. Correction, I did indeed attend the Madison, TN BR and I will hopefully be attending this Sunday's BR in Dyersburg, TN. Hope to see you there!

Pokemonjoe, what would the traditional hydreigon build be? In my opinion, Hydreigon speeds up this deck with much more energy flow. With Dark Patch included I can power up my attackers much quicker without the traditional retreat/switch. However, I shall take your advice into mind as I play test over the next few days and get back to you. A Hydreigon/Sableye/Darkrai/Hammer deck came 1st and 3rd in the last two BR in my area. I am very eager to attempt this deck.

Thank you very much!
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then i assume you're talking about stephen's hammertime...

i 6-0'd him in swiss. the concept is good, but the deck crumbles to any kind of early game pressure that is capable of KO'ing his sableyes.

i prefer the pure hammertime that got third in the event. cant remember the full list, but the poke line-up was 4 sableye, 3 darkrai ex, 1 mewtwo ex, 1 tornadus ex, and it played super scoop up over max potion.
 
ryuninja said:
then i assume you're talking about stephen's hammertime...

i 6-0'd him in swiss. the concept is good, but the deck crumbles to any kind of early game pressure that is capable of KO'ing his sableyes.

i prefer the pure hammertime that got third in the event. cant remember the full list, but the poke line-up was 4 sableye, 3 darkrai ex, 1 mewtwo ex, 1 tornadus ex, and it played super scoop up over max potion.
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Ah I see, I had no clue! What a novice I am. Oh well, Eels it is then... if I can go. My plans sorta fell apart and I have no ride T.T Thanks for the info!

Well I say I had no clue but I've found the same problem. This deck is just way to squishy early game.
 
H( )UND said:
Ah I see, I had no clue! What a novice I am. Oh well, Eels it is then... if I can go. My plans sorta fell apart and I have no ride T.T Thanks for the info!

Well I say I had no clue but I've found the same problem. This deck is just way to squishy early game.
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lolol

in case you weren't aware, the build that got 1st in swiss was actually a garbodor/hammertime variant. it played a 3-3 line of garbodor in addition to the 4 sableye and 3 darkrai ex.
 
ryuninja said:
lolol

in case you weren't aware, the build that got 1st in swiss was actually a garbodor/hammertime variant. it played a 3-3 line of garbodor in addition to the 4 sableye and 3 darkrai ex.
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Hmm, well right now I am looking at curiously effective deck that utilizes Gothitelle (Item Lock), Darkrai, Accelgor, and Mew. Perhaps I'll try it out. I might go back to the Garbodor idea for this deck though, that seemed to work a slight bit better. Thanks for the info! We're certainly up late aren't we?
 
This Deck doesn't need Energy Switch. That's what Hydreigon is in the deck for. It moves your Darkness Energies as many times as you like during your turn.
 
Why do you have Hydreigon and Hammers in the same deck? Hammertime is tight on space as it is.
 
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