Ho-oh EX Variants
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Would like to point out that counter strategy is still countering. Whether you use Terrakion to OHKO Darkrai or use Registeel to spread damage so they can't Max Potion all of your efforts away, you are still countering. Not sure what you mean by anti conservative. Perhaps you could expand upon that. Last time I played anti conservatively, I ended up discarding all of my Supporters. Regardless, Ho-Oh has kind of been anti meta for a while now simply because you can pair it with things that can take advantage of Weakness.
Mora said:
probably people who don't want to be murdered by Landorus.
Seems pokemon has a different idea of what antimeta is compared to yugioh. Just because a few tech counter cards are splashed in a deck doesnt mean its antimeta. Its countered for specific matchups. Not the same.
Hooh decks as they stand now are simply landorus/mewtwo/terrak/bouf decks with hooh accel. However, keep the idea of hooh accel and make a counter strategy deck by the support line. This requires sacrifice from the pokemon lineup, but let me tell ya, my opponents have trouble setting up when im able to mess up their strategy and not just their pokemon line.
Hooh decks as they stand now are simply landorus/mewtwo/terrak/bouf decks with hooh accel. However, keep the idea of hooh accel and make a counter strategy deck by the support line. This requires sacrifice from the pokemon lineup, but let me tell ya, my opponents have trouble setting up when im able to mess up their strategy and not just their pokemon line.
@r3skyline: and Sigilyph DRX and Tornadus EX usually.
MrGatr said:
Landorus Ex, Mewtwo Ex, Bouffalant, Terrakion, Tornadus Ex (depending on the build obv)...
Those are the main attackers correct?
Would that just be a Lando/Mewtwo Deck then but with hooh energy accel?
It isnt the antimeta im talking about. What im talking about is the same idea behind google' Truth deck where you can shut your opponent down. But in a different way (OBV).
You guys need to think OUTSIDE the box... Thats how you innovate.
grantm - Bleh
You guys, STOP thinking pokemon. Think beyond the actual pokemon.
I still think it's antimeta because it is so easily teched out. People use to through in one Terrakion in Eels for the mirror match, but Ho-Oh can easily have three Terrakion and not ruin consistency. Running the extra energy type is actually beneficial. Then, on top of Terrakion, you could even put in Shaymin for Blastoise Keldeo. If Rayquaza is ruining your day, a one of Shiny Rayquaza wouldn't hurt either. The point is you can actually counter multiple matchups and thus the meta as a whole (or at least mostly). It's antimeta because it's so easily adjusted according to what the meta is. Just currious, but how do you intend to mess up your opponent's settup? Unboosted Retaliate KO's Deinos if you go first or get a T1 Ho-Oh, and I've even gotten a T2 Land Crush. Mewtwo takes care of Squirtles is you go first or a T1 Ho-Oh donks it, but I don't think this is wha you have in mind.
Nope... at least not my list. There are no main attackers (except Mewtwo)! You can run pretty much whatever you want it. There are several different ways to play it.
r3skyline said:
Nope... at least not my list. There are no main attackers (except Mewtwo)! You can run pretty much whatever you want it. There are several different ways to play it.
It can be antimeta, but most people are not playing it as though it were antimeta. They are playing it as though its just another MLB deck. When I did that, I had bad times. HOWEVER, when i switched up the playstyle and the strategy, it worked beautifully. I found, teching, although the deck can utilize, should NOT be done to the extremes that most people are doing so.
The attacking set up hasnt changed. Its just a simple lineup of cards being swapped around and some pokemon being taken out. Use this as a skeleton
2/3x Mewtwo Ex
2/3x Ho Oh Ex
2x Bouffalant
1x Landorus Ex
1x Tornadus Ex (This can be swapped for a terrakion or another siggy)
1x Sigilyph
I use this to start from when testing. As for messing up their set up. I dont want to share too much info, but its all on cards that are out, that are played and 1/2 that are not widely played at all.
The attacking set up hasnt changed. Its just a simple lineup of cards being swapped around and some pokemon being taken out. Use this as a skeleton
2/3x Mewtwo Ex
2/3x Ho Oh Ex
2x Bouffalant
1x Landorus Ex
1x Tornadus Ex (This can be swapped for a terrakion or another siggy)
1x Sigilyph
I use this to start from when testing. As for messing up their set up. I dont want to share too much info, but its all on cards that are out, that are played and 1/2 that are not widely played at all.
Mora said:
No i meant how he utilized the powers to shut his opponent down. He didnt have the power to do it, so he had to use the powers to stall/capitalize with his supporters.
We DO have the power behind the pokemon, BUT no way to straight up stop our opponent from switching/catchering/blah with stupid hands.
Hooligans was fun, but idk. I dont like flippy cards. Personally why i dont play ssu in hooh.
Or maybe im just messing with you guys
There are pokemon that can mess up strats now. No, i dont mean stoutland.
A speedy version of Ho-oh seems the best option for me. With Landorus EX and Mewtwo in it ofc. 4 Juniper, 4 Ultra Balls, all that stuff for discarding to get the quick Ho-oh/ energies out on the field. Max Potion also seems a win in this deck since you can get all your energies back with Ho-oh again (I don't know how many have been thinking this aswell but I haven't seen anyone).
... You played Garb in Ho-oh? From now on you are my master. Give me all of your knowledge cause that is simply just so badass that you in no way could have lost!
Mora said:
... You played Garb in Ho-oh? From now on you are my master. Give me all of your knowledge cause that is simply just so badass that you in no way could have lost!
Garbodor and Ho-Oh!? What is tbis garbage (literally)! *Scoops
It was kind of like Mewtwo/Garbodor, but with incentive not to KO Garbodor. You could slowly pile Ho-Oh in the discard pile and wait for them to break the lock. When they KO Garbodor, Rescue Scarf puts in back into your hand. You get out a Ho-Oh or two. Evolve a previously benched Trubbish and bench the other Trubbish, and you're back to locking. It was highly inconsistent, though. The only reason it had any success was leaving Eels to manual attachment and you could actually Catcher stall Darkrai.
It was kind of like Mewtwo/Garbodor, but with incentive not to KO Garbodor. You could slowly pile Ho-Oh in the discard pile and wait for them to break the lock. When they KO Garbodor, Rescue Scarf puts in back into your hand. You get out a Ho-Oh or two. Evolve a previously benched Trubbish and bench the other Trubbish, and you're back to locking. It was highly inconsistent, though. The only reason it had any success was leaving Eels to manual attachment and you could actually Catcher stall Darkrai.
Does anyone think that running Keldeo 47 could be decent idea in this deck? I'm looking at it as Landorus counter bc i do not own any torndus EX.
Mora said:
but you run regular tornadus?