@Card Slinger J: What I was trying to get at, is that I think leaving the franchise entirely based on one single change is, to say the least, irrational… Think about how long you've been playing Pokémon, maybe even in years. Would you, as you say "throw it all away" because you don't agree with a single point in a new game? To me at least, it seems ridiculous. And I'm actually glad you brought up this argument, I apologize for being so assertive, but if it's not evident already I'm infinitely passionate about Pokémon 
. What your initial point suggested is a shallow attitude expressed by a large portion of the Pokémon community – these people play the games, but they don't think about what they play. I urge people to think a little, that's all, and I hope by reading my posts yourself and anyone else who reads them can be enlightened so to speak, towards a real understanding of Pokémon that has nothing to do with my beliefs, but rather a universal wisdom that one should approach something with an open mind, not to assume or take anything for granted or a given. If you know what Pokémon is now, you become a constructive thinker as to how it can improve regardless of how extreme any changes are, rather than just participating in the shallow, brain-dead mass of people who buy and buy Pokémon for no other reason than just to own it, like a hollow addiction – there are many people like this both on these forums and abroad, and just reading the cynical and simple-minded posts such as your claims you originally posted regarding Gamefreak's mindset, is something that, with all due respect, aggravates me more than anything else, to frank they are blunt, and serve no purpose other than to deliberately antagonize Pokémon and other people because they are not though out at all. And that is what I hope you can take out of this: I'm not interested in whether or not your claims are true or false. I'm concerned about what you believe them to be, I'm interested in knowing if you think they are true or false. And in order to prove that to me, you need to justify it. Don't plan on arguing with anyone if you can't justify what you think, don't throw out generalizations like you posted if your argument is a dead end and you can't find evidence to convince me that your claim is correct. Your argument was found by me to be invalidated because the evidence needing to prove it doesn't exist, and I know this as an absolute fact because there is no completely reengineered Pokémon game in existence, or at least one that any of us know of. But that's a "yet," we should have this discussion again when something like that does exist, rest assured it would be many times more fruitful . Let's agree to disagree for the time being even if we can't prove our claims anyway –– and again I apologize for coming off as a Magmar hothead .
@catutie: read above. You bring up a good point, but you need to justify what you mean by "success," "boring," and "bad reception." Pokémon Rumble or Mystery Dungeon is not bad because the critics think so, it's bad because YOU think so, and it may be good to someone else because THEY think so – opinions are relative, no one can perceive anything as good or bad without showing a bias. And furthermore, you need to consider other reasons why spin-offs may be less successful in areas such as money, which is NOT the sole evidence for success, as you seem to think. It's a well-known fact that a spin-off, in any franchise, is never publicized as much for example, as the game it is "spun-off" of, for the sole fact that is intended to be a supplement game. That doesn't indicate whether or not the concepts and liberal actions employed by these spin-offs are worse than the main games', nor does it imply they are less successful if you consider a factor other than money, which there are plenty of. Again, you're assuming they didn't "work out as well." It's perfectly healthy to have different views, but as I told CSJ, only if they BOTH are well developed and justified, otherwise the stronger view "wins." Prove your's, I'm not sold on it yet. You're not an omniscient god who knows everything about everything, neither am I , and neither is anybody. I feel like I'm at some higher level of consciousness or something, what don't you understand about this? You've been conned by popular belief, and popular belief is not truth.
. What your initial point suggested is a shallow attitude expressed by a large portion of the Pokémon community – these people play the games, but they don't think about what they play. I urge people to think a little, that's all, and I hope by reading my posts yourself and anyone else who reads them can be enlightened so to speak, towards a real understanding of Pokémon that has nothing to do with my beliefs, but rather a universal wisdom that one should approach something with an open mind, not to assume or take anything for granted or a given. If you know what Pokémon is now, you become a constructive thinker as to how it can improve regardless of how extreme any changes are, rather than just participating in the shallow, brain-dead mass of people who buy and buy Pokémon for no other reason than just to own it, like a hollow addiction – there are many people like this both on these forums and abroad, and just reading the cynical and simple-minded posts such as your claims you originally posted regarding Gamefreak's mindset, is something that, with all due respect, aggravates me more than anything else, to frank they are blunt, and serve no purpose other than to deliberately antagonize Pokémon and other people because they are not though out at all. And that is what I hope you can take out of this: I'm not interested in whether or not your claims are true or false. I'm concerned about what you believe them to be, I'm interested in knowing if you think they are true or false. And in order to prove that to me, you need to justify it. Don't plan on arguing with anyone if you can't justify what you think, don't throw out generalizations like you posted if your argument is a dead end and you can't find evidence to convince me that your claim is correct. Your argument was found by me to be invalidated because the evidence needing to prove it doesn't exist, and I know this as an absolute fact because there is no completely reengineered Pokémon game in existence, or at least one that any of us know of. But that's a "yet," we should have this discussion again when something like that does exist, rest assured it would be many times more fruitful . Let's agree to disagree for the time being even if we can't prove our claims anyway –– and again I apologize for coming off as a .@catutie: read above. You bring up a good point, but you need to justify what you mean by "success," "boring," and "bad reception." Pokémon Rumble or Mystery Dungeon is not bad because the critics think so, it's bad because YOU think so, and it may be good to someone else because THEY think so – opinions are relative, no one can perceive anything as good or bad without showing a bias. And furthermore, you need to consider other reasons why spin-offs may be less successful in areas such as money, which is NOT the sole evidence for success, as you seem to think. It's a well-known fact that a spin-off, in any franchise, is never publicized as much for example, as the game it is "spun-off" of, for the sole fact that is intended to be a supplement game. That doesn't indicate whether or not the concepts and liberal actions employed by these spin-offs are worse than the main games', nor does it imply they are less successful if you consider a factor other than money, which there are plenty of. Again, you're assuming they didn't "work out as well." It's perfectly healthy to have different views, but as I told CSJ, only if they BOTH are well developed and justified, otherwise the stronger view "wins." Prove your's, I'm not sold on it yet
. You're not an omniscient god who knows everything about everything, neither am I , and neither is anybody. I feel like I'm at some higher level of consciousness or something, what don't you understand about this? You've been conned by popular belief, and popular belief is not truth.