Tapu Lele's effect takes place when it is playet from your hand, similar to Shaymin. Seeing as how playable this is - good effect, good attack, and 1 retreat cost - every deck should run at least 1-of. I expect the price to be 10,15,28 - UR,FA, SR respectively
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Y'know, I haven't given it much thought, but... will N actually get another re-print?
It's been a while since his games, though he did just get one in Fates Collide...
Will Fates Collide make the cut-off for Standard rotation?
Lele is basically Jirachi + Lugia; I'd hope it would at least match Jirachi's price point.
Maybe... 28,35,40?
I sure hope you're right about it being that high but I doubt it. Right now Jirachi is high because the card is no longet in print. When the set first released Jirachi wasn't as high as it is now. Just like Full art N is really high now cuz its no longer in print.
Also, as we saw in this past rotation, Standard rotated out XY, Flashfire, Furious Fists, and Phantom Forces - Standard lost 4 sets. If we assume that we will be losing 4 sets again, and all indications points that is what is to be expected, Standard will most likely be from Breakthrough onward. So I think N is here for a while in Standard thanks to Fates Collide (which I dont think will be cut at roration time).
Mimikyu will have a GX. It was showcased on the Ash vs. Team Rocket duel set released in Japan. #wishcometrue
Very good point!~
I guess my logic would be...
the price of Jirachi would set the standard for Lele's price, and cause it to have the values I was thinking of : 28, 35, 40
OR
the printing of Lele will cause the price of Jirachi to drop, and Lele will hit similar price points to Jirachi as a replacement : 20, 30, N/A
So the inflation of Jirachi from being out of print, would indirectly cause Lele's base value to be higher.
But Lele can also replace Lugia, so I was leaning more towards the higher values~
I don't want to say that it WILL or WON'T, but I do want to say that I think it SHOULDN'T survive rotation. Too many GX attacks involve searching your deck for cards. A lot of regular attacks from SM2 do it too. N utterly destroys these attacks and wastes either your turn or your epic once-per-game attack. Your opponent gets to refresh their hand and set your game plan back a turn. It's simply too good. Bumping N to a 4-of as a counter to these searching attacks makes them pretty obsolete and the last thing Pokemon wants is for their new cards to be purchased less because they can be countered by old ones that are out of print.
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I have this idea for a Lurantis GX/ Golisopod/ Eeveelutions AOR Deck. Wonder if it'll work.
EDIT: Something like this deck (http://thecharizardlounge.com/2017/02/10/a-moonlit-illusion-umbreon-gxzoroark/) but with Lurantis and Golisopod instead of Zoroark and Umbreon.
Based on these four cards I made the following setlist. Can anyone help me out?
Guardians Rising
1. Bellsprout
2. Weepinbell
3. Victreebell
4. petillil
5. Liligant
6. Phantump
7. Trevenant
8. Whimpod
9. Golisopod
10. Formantis
11. Victini
12. Litwick
13. Lampent
14. Chandelure
15. Sandalit
16. Salazzle
17. Tortunator GX
18. Oricorio
19. Alolan Sandshrew
20. Alolan Sandslash
21. Alolan Vulpix
22. Alolan Ninetales GX
23. Politoed
24. Tentacool
25. Tentacruel
26. Delibird
27. Wailmer
28. Wailord
29. Snorunt
30. Glalie
31. Vanillite
32. Vanillish
33. Vanilluxe
34. Alohomola
35. Wishiwashi
36. Wishiwashi GX
37. Alolan Geodude
38. Alolan Graveler
39. Alolan Golem
40. Helioptile
41. Heliolisk
42. Vikavolt GX
43. Oricoro
44. Tapu Koko
45. Tapu Koko GX
46. Slowpoke
47. Slowbro
48. Trubbish
49. Garbodor
50. Gothita
51. Gothorita
52. Gothitelle
53. Oricoro
54. Oricoro
55. Mareanie
56. Toxapex GX
57. Mimikyu
58. Delhemise
59.
60. Tapu Lele GX
61.
62. Lunala
63. Machop
64. Machoke
65. Machamp
66. Sudowoodo
67. Gligar
68. Gliscor
69. Nosepass
70. Barboach
71. Wishcash
72. Pancham
73. Rockruff
74. Lycanroc GX
75. Mudbray
76. Mudsdale
77. Minior
78. Murkrow
79. Honchcrow
80. Sableye
81. Absol
82. Pangoro
83. Beldum
84. Metang
85. Metagross GX
86. Probopass
87. Solgaleo
88. Clefairy
89. Clefable
90. Cottonee
91. Whimsicott
92. Sylveon GX
93. Comfey
94. Goomy
95. Sliggoo
96. Goodra
97. Drampa
98. Jangmo-O
99. Hakamo-O
100. Kommo-O GX
101. Chansey
102. Blissey
103. Taillow
104. Swellow
105. Castform
106. Fletchling
107. Fletchinder
108. Talonflame
109. Komala
110. Drampa GX
111. Aether paradise
112. Altar Moon
113. Altar Sun
114. Aqua Patch
115. Brooklett Hill
116. Choice Band
117. Energy Lotto
118. Energy recycler
119. Enhanced Hammer
120. Field Blower
121. Hala
122. Mallow
123. Max Potion
124. Multi Switch
125. Rare Candy
126. Rescue Stretcher
127. Sophocles
128.
129.
130.
131. Turtonator GX
132. Ninetales GX
133. Wishiwashi GX
134. Vikavolt GX
135. Tapu Koko GX
136. Toxapex GX
137. Tapu Lele GX
138. Lycanroc GX
139. Metagross GX
140. Sylveon GX
141. Kommo-O GX
142. Drampa GX
143. Hau
144. Hala
145. Mallow
146. Turtonator GX
147. Ninetales GX
148. Wishiwashi GX
149. Vikavolt GX
150. Tapu Koko GX
151. Toxapex GX
152. Tapu Lele GX
153. Lycanroc GX
154. Metagross GX
155. Sylveon GX
156. Kommo-O GX
157. Drampa GX
158. Aqua Patch
159. Enhanced Hammer
160. Field Blower
161. Max Potion
162. Rare Candy
163. Double Colorless
164. Grass
165. Lightning
166. Fighting Energy
1. Bellsprout
2. Weepinbell
3. Victreebell
4. petillil
5. Liligant
6. Phantump
7. Trevenant
8. Whimpod
9. Golisopod
10. Formantis
11. Victini
12. Litwick
13. Lampent
14. Chandelure
15. Sandalit
16. Salazzle
17. Tortunator GX
18. Oricorio
19. Alolan Sandshrew
20. Alolan Sandslash
21. Alolan Vulpix
22. Alolan Ninetales GX
23. Politoed
24. Tentacool
25. Tentacruel
26. Delibird
27. Wailmer
28. Wailord
29. Snorunt
30. Glalie
31. Vanillite
32. Vanillish
33. Vanilluxe
34. Alohomola
35. Wishiwashi
36. Wishiwashi GX
37. Alolan Geodude
38. Alolan Graveler
39. Alolan Golem
40. Helioptile
41. Heliolisk
42. Vikavolt GX
43. Oricoro
44. Tapu Koko
45. Tapu Koko GX
46. Slowpoke
47. Slowbro
48. Trubbish
49. Garbodor
50. Gothita
51. Gothorita
52. Gothitelle
53. Oricoro
54. Oricoro
55. Mareanie
56. Toxapex GX
57. Mimikyu
58. Delhemise
59.
60. Tapu Lele GX
61.
62. Lunala
63. Machop
64. Machoke
65. Machamp
66. Sudowoodo
67. Gligar
68. Gliscor
69. Nosepass
70. Barboach
71. Wishcash
72. Pancham
73. Rockruff
74. Lycanroc GX
75. Mudbray
76. Mudsdale
77. Minior
78. Murkrow
79. Honchcrow
80. Sableye
81. Absol
82. Pangoro
83. Beldum
84. Metang
85. Metagross GX
86. Probopass
87. Solgaleo
88. Clefairy
89. Clefable
90. Cottonee
91. Whimsicott
92. Sylveon GX
93. Comfey
94. Goomy
95. Sliggoo
96. Goodra
97. Drampa
98. Jangmo-O
99. Hakamo-O
100. Kommo-O GX
101. Chansey
102. Blissey
103. Taillow
104. Swellow
105. Castform
106. Fletchling
107. Fletchinder
108. Talonflame
109. Komala
110. Drampa GX
111. Aether paradise
112. Altar Moon
113. Altar Sun
114. Aqua Patch
115. Brooklett Hill
116. Choice Band
117. Energy Lotto
118. Energy recycler
119. Enhanced Hammer
120. Field Blower
121. Hala
122. Mallow
123. Max Potion
124. Multi Switch
125. Rare Candy
126. Rescue Stretcher
127. Sophocles
128.
129.
130.
131. Turtonator GX
132. Ninetales GX
133. Wishiwashi GX
134. Vikavolt GX
135. Tapu Koko GX
136. Toxapex GX
137. Tapu Lele GX
138. Lycanroc GX
139. Metagross GX
140. Sylveon GX
141. Kommo-O GX
142. Drampa GX
143. Hau
144. Hala
145. Mallow
146. Turtonator GX
147. Ninetales GX
148. Wishiwashi GX
149. Vikavolt GX
150. Tapu Koko GX
151. Toxapex GX
152. Tapu Lele GX
153. Lycanroc GX
154. Metagross GX
155. Sylveon GX
156. Kommo-O GX
157. Drampa GX
158. Aqua Patch
159. Enhanced Hammer
160. Field Blower
161. Max Potion
162. Rare Candy
163. Double Colorless
164. Grass
165. Lightning
166. Fighting Energy
It honestly might. Forest lets Golisipod evolve up right away and DCE gets him attacking pretty quick. Unless you can deal 160 damage he effectively has 190 HP for a one prize pokemon. With the eeveelutions he'll be one hitting anything (most things?) with a fire/water/lightning weakness. That's a OHKO on Volc, Yveltal, Lurantis, Solgaleo, MRay, SHAYMIN, etc as well as whatever non-EX/GXs you run into along the way. I'd honestly drop Lurantis in favor of more consistency cards. She doesn't use DCE and is a two prize liability that does less damage in most cases than Golisipod.
Parasect – Grass – 110 HP
Stage 1 – Evolves from Paras
[C][C] Fury Cutter: 10+ damage. Flip 3 coins. If 1 of them is heads, this attack does 20 more damage. If 2 of them are heads, this attack does 60 more damage. If all of them are heads, this attack does 120 damage.
[G][G][C] Mushroom Drain: 70 damage. Heal 30 damage from this Pokémon.
Weakness: Fire ×2
Resistance: none
Retreat Cost: 3
Then this one then. 260 damage with weakness
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Just kidding by the way. Thanks for the pointers! I still have a lot of thinking to do.
Stage 1 – Evolves from Paras
[C][C] Fury Cutter: 10+ damage. Flip 3 coins. If 1 of them is heads, this attack does 20 more damage. If 2 of them are heads, this attack does 60 more damage. If all of them are heads, this attack does 120 damage.
[G][G][C] Mushroom Drain: 70 damage. Heal 30 damage from this Pokémon.
Weakness: Fire ×2
Resistance: none
Retreat Cost: 3
Then this one then. 260 damage with weakness
.Just kidding by the way. Thanks for the pointers! I still have a lot of thinking to do.
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I agree
but there is a but.. 20x energy on both active pokemon is practically the strongest attack we've ever seen. Mewtwo ruled. Then yveltal then M mewtwo, and then yveltal again. Will it ever stops? In combination of it's ability, i would think this card will be worth alot of money. Also, even though Jirachi was accessible by a level by, it only had 90 health. This has almost double that. We will need to see. 1 more thing. If dark rules the meta again, Lele's attack will ignore resistance.
Also, with N, I do not think they will reprint him again. Perhaps if they do, they'll make a new FA. I was think they'd be more likely to reprint AZ or some supporter like that later in sun and moon like they did N in FC. They are both kings, am I right?
you can use 1 per lele
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Question, will pokemon ranger mean you dont have to discard the two energy for the second attack?
This is what I've put together. I've also included a few promos and the remaing cards from the Rockruff Full Power Deck
1. Bellsprout
2. Weepinbell
3. Victreebel
4. Petilil
5. Lilligant
6. Phantump
7. Trevenant
8. Wimpod
9. Golisopod
10. Victini
11. Litwick
12. Lampent
13. Chandelure
14. Oricorio
15. Salandit
16. Salazzle
17. Turtonator
18. Turtonator GX
19. Alolan Sandshrew
20. Alolan Sandslash
21. Alolan Vulpix
22. Alolan Ninetales GX
23. Tentacool
24. Tentacruel
25. Politoed
26. Delibird
27. Carvanha
28. Sharpedo
29. Wailmer
30. Wailord
31. Snorunt
32. Glalie
33. Vanillite
34. Vanillish
35. Vanilluxe
36. Alomomola
37. Wishiwashi
38. Wishiwashi GX
39. Mareanie
40. Alolan Geodude
41. Alolan Graveler
42. Alolan Golem
43. Helioptile
44. Heliolisk
45. Vikavolt GX
46. Oricorio
47. Tapu Koko GX
48. Slowpoke
49. Slowbro
50. Trubbish
51. Garbodor
52. Gothita
53. Gothorita
54. Gothitelle
55. Oricorio
56. Oricorio
57. Toxapex GX
58. Mimikyu
59. Dhelmise
60. Tapu Lele GX
61. Lunala
62. Machop
63. Machop
64. Machoke
65. Machamp
66. Sudowoodo
67. Gligar
68. Gliscor
69. Nosepass
70. Barboach
71. Whiscash
72. Pancham
73. Rockruff
74. Lycanroc GX
75. Mudbray
76. Mudsdale
77. Minior
78. Murkrow
79. Honchkrow
80. Sableye
81. Absol
82. Pangoro
83. Beldum
84. Metang
85. Metagross GX
86. Probopass
87. Solgaleo
88. Clefairy
89. Clefable
90. Cottonee
91. Whimsicott
92. Sylveon GX
93. Comfey
94. Goomy
95. Sliggoo
96. Goodra
97. Drampa
98. Jangmo-o
99. Jangmo-o
100. Hakamo-o
101. Kommo-o GX
102. Chansey
103. Blissey
104. Taillow
105. Swellow
106. Castform
107. Rayquaza
108. Fletchling
109. Fletchinder
110. Talonflame
111. Stufful
112. Bewear
113. Komala
114. Drampa GX
115. Aether Paradise Conservation Area
116. Altar of the Moone
117. Altar of the Sunne
118. Aqua Patch
119. Brooklet Hill
120. Choice Band
121. Energy Loto
122. Energy Recycler
123. Enhanced Hammer
124. Field Blower
125. Hala
126. Lana
127. Mallow
128. Max Potion
129. Rescue Stretcher
130. Sophocles
131. Turtonator GX
132. Alolan Ninetales GX
133. Wishiwashi GX
134. Vikavolt GX
135. Tapu Koko GX
136. Toxapex GX
137. Tapu Lele GX
138. Lycanroc GX
139. Metagross GX
140. Sylveon GX
141. Kommo-o GX
142. Drampa GX
143. Hala
144. Hau
145. Mallow
146. Turtonator GX
147. Alolan Ninetales GX
148. Wishiwashi GX
149. Vikavolt GX
150. Tapu Koko GX
151. Toxapex GX
152. Tapu Lele GX
153. Lycanroc GX
154. Metagross GX
155. Sylveon GX
156. Kommo-o GX
157. Drampa GX
158. Aqua Patch
159. Enhanced Hammer
160. Field Blower
161. Max Potion
162. Rare Candy
163. Double Colorless Energy
164. Grass Energy
165. Lightning Energy
166. Fighting Energy
2. Weepinbell
3. Victreebel
4. Petilil
5. Lilligant
6. Phantump
7. Trevenant
8. Wimpod
9. Golisopod
10. Victini
11. Litwick
12. Lampent
13. Chandelure
14. Oricorio
15. Salandit
16. Salazzle
17. Turtonator
18. Turtonator GX
19. Alolan Sandshrew
20. Alolan Sandslash
21. Alolan Vulpix
22. Alolan Ninetales GX
23. Tentacool
24. Tentacruel
25. Politoed
26. Delibird
27. Carvanha
28. Sharpedo
29. Wailmer
30. Wailord
31. Snorunt
32. Glalie
33. Vanillite
34. Vanillish
35. Vanilluxe
36. Alomomola
37. Wishiwashi
38. Wishiwashi GX
39. Mareanie
40. Alolan Geodude
41. Alolan Graveler
42. Alolan Golem
43. Helioptile
44. Heliolisk
45. Vikavolt GX
46. Oricorio
47. Tapu Koko GX
48. Slowpoke
49. Slowbro
50. Trubbish
51. Garbodor
52. Gothita
53. Gothorita
54. Gothitelle
55. Oricorio
56. Oricorio
57. Toxapex GX
58. Mimikyu
59. Dhelmise
60. Tapu Lele GX
61. Lunala
62. Machop
63. Machop
64. Machoke
65. Machamp
66. Sudowoodo
67. Gligar
68. Gliscor
69. Nosepass
70. Barboach
71. Whiscash
72. Pancham
73. Rockruff
74. Lycanroc GX
75. Mudbray
76. Mudsdale
77. Minior
78. Murkrow
79. Honchkrow
80. Sableye
81. Absol
82. Pangoro
83. Beldum
84. Metang
85. Metagross GX
86. Probopass
87. Solgaleo
88. Clefairy
89. Clefable
90. Cottonee
91. Whimsicott
92. Sylveon GX
93. Comfey
94. Goomy
95. Sliggoo
96. Goodra
97. Drampa
98. Jangmo-o
99. Jangmo-o
100. Hakamo-o
101. Kommo-o GX
102. Chansey
103. Blissey
104. Taillow
105. Swellow
106. Castform
107. Rayquaza
108. Fletchling
109. Fletchinder
110. Talonflame
111. Stufful
112. Bewear
113. Komala
114. Drampa GX
115. Aether Paradise Conservation Area
116. Altar of the Moone
117. Altar of the Sunne
118. Aqua Patch
119. Brooklet Hill
120. Choice Band
121. Energy Loto
122. Energy Recycler
123. Enhanced Hammer
124. Field Blower
125. Hala
126. Lana
127. Mallow
128. Max Potion
129. Rescue Stretcher
130. Sophocles
131. Turtonator GX
132. Alolan Ninetales GX
133. Wishiwashi GX
134. Vikavolt GX
135. Tapu Koko GX
136. Toxapex GX
137. Tapu Lele GX
138. Lycanroc GX
139. Metagross GX
140. Sylveon GX
141. Kommo-o GX
142. Drampa GX
143. Hala
144. Hau
145. Mallow
146. Turtonator GX
147. Alolan Ninetales GX
148. Wishiwashi GX
149. Vikavolt GX
150. Tapu Koko GX
151. Toxapex GX
152. Tapu Lele GX
153. Lycanroc GX
154. Metagross GX
155. Sylveon GX
156. Kommo-o GX
157. Drampa GX
158. Aqua Patch
159. Enhanced Hammer
160. Field Blower
161. Max Potion
162. Rare Candy
163. Double Colorless Energy
164. Grass Energy
165. Lightning Energy
166. Fighting Energy
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This is what I've put together. I've also included a few promos and the remaing cards from the Rockruff Full Power Deck
1. Bellsprout
2. Weepinbell
3. Victreebel
4. Petilil
5. Lilligant
6. Phantump
7. Trevenant
8. Wimpod
9. Golisopod
10. Victini
11. Litwick
12. Lampent
13. Chandelure
14. Oricorio
15. Salandit
16. Salazzle
17. Turtonator
18. Turtonator GX
19. Alolan Sandshrew
20. Alolan Sandslash
21. Alolan Vulpix
22. Alolan Ninetales GX
23. Tentacool
24. Tentacruel
25. Politoed
26. Delibird
27. Carvanha
28. Sharpedo
29. Wailmer
30. Wailord
31. Snorunt
32. Glalie
33. Vanillite
34. Vanillish
35. Vanilluxe
36. Alomomola
37. Wishiwashi
38. Wishiwashi GX
39. Mareanie
40. Alolan Geodude
41. Alolan Graveler
42. Alolan Golem
43. Helioptile
44. Heliolisk
45. Vikavolt GX
46. Oricorio
47. Tapu Koko GX
48. Slowpoke
49. Slowbro
50. Trubbish
51. Garbodor
52. Gothita
53. Gothorita
54. Gothitelle
55. Oricorio
56. Oricorio
57. Toxapex GX
58. Mimikyu
59. Dhelmise
60. Tapu Lele GX
61. Lunala
62. Machop
63. Machop
64. Machoke
65. Machamp
66. Sudowoodo
67. Gligar
68. Gliscor
69. Nosepass
70. Barboach
71. Whiscash
72. Pancham
73. Rockruff
74. Lycanroc GX
75. Mudbray
76. Mudsdale
77. Minior
78. Murkrow
79. Honchkrow
80. Sableye
81. Absol
82. Pangoro
83. Beldum
84. Metang
85. Metagross GX
86. Probopass
87. Solgaleo
88. Clefairy
89. Clefable
90. Cottonee
91. Whimsicott
92. Sylveon GX
93. Comfey
94. Goomy
95. Sliggoo
96. Goodra
97. Drampa
98. Jangmo-o
99. Jangmo-o
100. Hakamo-o
101. Kommo-o GX
102. Chansey
103. Blissey
104. Taillow
105. Swellow
106. Castform
107. Rayquaza
108. Fletchling
109. Fletchinder
110. Talonflame
111. Stufful
112. Bewear
113. Komala
114. Drampa GX
115. Aether Paradise Conservation Area
116. Altar of the Moone
117. Altar of the Sunne
118. Aqua Patch
119. Choice Band
120. Energy Loto
121. Energy Recycler
122. Enhanced Hammer
123. Field Blower
124. Hala
125. Lana
126. Mallow
127. Max Potion
128. Rare Candy
129. Rescue Stretcher
130. Sophocles
131. Turtonator GX
132. Alolan Ninetales GX
133. Wishiwashi GX
134. Vikavolt GX
135. Tapu Koko GX
136. Toxapex GX
137. Tapu Lele GX
138. Lycanroc GX
139. Metagross GX
140. Sylveon GX
141. Kommo-o GX
142. Drampa GX
143. Hala
144. Hau
145. Mallow
146. Turtonator GX
147. Alolan Ninetales GX
148. Wishiwashi GX
149. Vikavolt GX
150. Tapu Koko GX
151. Toxapex GX
152. Tapu Lele GX
153. Lycanroc GX
154. Metagross GX
155. Sylveon GX
156. Kommo-o GX
157. Drampa GX
158. Aqua Patch
159. Enhanced Hammer
160. Field Blower
161. Max Potion
162. Rare Candy
163. Double Colorless Energy
164. Grass Energy
165. Lightning Energy
166. Fighting Energy
YES! This is it!
Thanks!
Too bad it is even more massive than Sun and Moon.
I quite like the idea of this deck. I would point out that Metagross' ability should attach an energy for each Metagross in play. So you just need two Metagross out and Solgaleo can swing for 230 every single turn, the system becomes sustainable. Solgaleo's GX attack can get you a head start on energy requirements while you get your Metagross out. Metagross' clause of attaching to active only can be helped by Solgaleo's Ultra Road ability. They can both benefit from the same rare candy supply.
That is a very big just though. You are looking at two full Metagross in play plus one Solgaleo, two other bench slots for back-ups in build. Final slot for a Shaymin or Oranguru or something. That's a whole lot of your deck dedicated to monster cards. You would want 4-4-4 and 3-3-3 and a full compliment of Rare Candy. You get killed stone dead by both ability lock and item lock.
So as awesome as it would be the occasional time it worked, gotta agree it's another Steelix/Crawdaunt archetype that will be hard pressed to see any kind of success.
I've never seen a single list run that mouth nor should they, but hey I'm not going to argue about competitive play here
You're probably right.
I haven't watched any tournies with that variant, but it's a thing people run.
Just attacking with Decidueye is probably more effective though~
The Deciplume list that placed runner-up at Oceania Internationals had a Meowth, It's honestly not a terrible tech of you think about it. Lysandre something that can't get out of the active easily, then start sniping the bench.