So does the frogadier in this set count as a not evolved Pokemon if put into play with the frogadier?
If the rulings are consistent with what we have seen in the past, then yes: it would be an "unevolved" Stage 1.
Any effect that places an Evolution directly into play causes that Evolution to count as an "Unevolved _______" where the "______" is whatever the printed Stage listed on the card says.
Also how do lv x Pokemon work into this rule?
Compendium LVX said:
Q. If I use Dialga's "Flash Cannon" to attack my opponent's Infernape LV.X, what happens?
A. Dialga's Flash Cannon attack would remove the highest Stage Evolution card, in this case, the regular Infernape. You would also remove Infernape LV.X too since the Pokémon is no longer an Infernape. The LV.X goes wherever the Stage 2 goes. (Diamond & Pearl FAQ; May 31, 2007 PUI Rules Team)
Unless it has changed, a Level Up card that is bounced by such an effect goes along with the highest Stage of Evolution.
Please note that Pokémon
BREAK cards are treated as a new Stage of Evolution so I believe
I can see using this with Megaphone against Mega pokemon. But if your opponent uses Bats why would you use this. It would be better if it devolved your own but porygon does that all ready.
People don't really use
Porygon-Z (
XY: Ancient Origins 67/98) competitively do they? Really asking as I haven't seen any recent tournament results. I'm not expecting it though because you're using an attack to do all that discarding and unless they are Grass-Types (and you have
Forest of Giant Plants) in play, you can't immediately re-Evolve anything more than once the next turn. So If you have a flock of
Crobat (PHF) Evolved from
Golbat (PHF) and you bounce both to get down to
Zubat, not only do you have to hope your opponent doesn't mess with your hand or field too badly, but you're only re-Evolving into the four
Golbat for a total of eight damage counters. So at that point you effectively used an attack on a Stage 2 to place eight damage counters. When you get the four
Crobat as well the next turn and place another 12 counters, its awesome but your opponent has two turns to make you lose before that happens and it is a combo using
five Stage 2 Pokémon. @_@
Now if
Espeon-EX allowed you to bounce the highest Stage of as many in play Pokémon (yours or your opponent's) to your hand, yeah that would be pretty spiffy.
Actually, that's not exactly right. Rules on devolution are similar to rules on evolution. A Pokémon has to be in play for a full turn before it's capable of evolving. So the opponent needs to wait until the turn after the turn after you devolve their Pokémon before they can evolve it again. I've been running Claydol AOR for a while now and it's done me fairly well, having an incredibly similar attack to this Espeon.
Unless something has changed, I am afraid you are mistaken.
Yes, Devolving is like Evolving. If you use
Devolution Spray to bounce say
Crobat (PHF) to hand, leaving a
Golbat (PHF) in play, you could not normally Evolve
Golbat into
Crobat that turn (you could still use an effect like that of
Wally). Pokémon do
not need to be in play a full turn before Evolving:
except on the first turn a Pokémon just needs to have been in play before your current turn began. Usually this means you need to have put it into play on your previous turn, but if your opponent uses an effect to Bench something of yours, it is legal for that something to Evolve as soon as it is your next turn.