Keldeo-EX / Blastoise discussion

Will Shaymin EX affect the success of Blastiose/Keldeo?

  • Yes

    Votes: 20 41.7%

  • No

    Votes: 28 58.3%
  • Total voters
    48
RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast

This deck seems really strong to me. It has a lot of things going for it that ReshiBoar wishes it had. Blastoise is just a better Feraligatr Prime and then some with a Basic that has an Ability other Basics would kill for.

That being said, it most likely has some flaws that will ultimately bring it down. I don't think one of those is Shaymin though. Shaymin doesn't do that much to stop Terrakions in Darkrai/Hydreigon and I don't think it will do enough against Blastoise either. Sure, you have Weakness, but you also have less than the HP as Keldeo, making it largely a non-issue. I guess we'll see for sure once the cards come out and Cities are here though. :D

dmaster out.
 
RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast

^Logical indeed.

(I find that Shaymin EX helps a ton in the Terrakion matchup in D/H though...especially when I can Max Potion Land Crush damage and Catcher a sitting Terrakion EX for two easy Prizes...)

I don't think we can claim that any deck is BDIF because as somebody mentioned already, every deck has a weak matchup. Obviously we're not going to build a Shaymin EX deck just to beat Blastoise/Keldeo, but it's a tech worth considering in decks that utilize Blend or Prism Energy to help your matchup. Once your opponent takes two Prize cards, you're OHKOing Blastoises and Keldeo EXs, which is, let's be honest, pretty good in the least. Use Revenge Blast later and combine it with N as pokemonjoe said, and your opponent could have a difficult time recovering. If you time Shaymin incorrectly, Shaymin is also a free two Prizes when Keldeo has three Water Energy attached, so of course Shaymin is not an answer to all of our problems. He helps out, but it won't make people stop using B/K. It's a great deck that is definitely going to see some play. I'm personally excited for it.
 
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Serperior said:
I don't think we can claim that any deck is BDIF because as somebody mentioned already, every deck has a weak matchup. Obviously we're not going to build a Shaymin EX deck just to beat Blastoise/Keldeo, but it's a tech worth considering in decks that utilize Blend or Prism Energy to help your matchup. Once your opponent takes two Prize cards, you're OHKOing Blastoises and Keldeo EXs, which is, let's be honest, pretty good in the least. Use Revenge Blast later and combine it with N as pokemonjoe said, and your opponent could have a difficult time recovering. If you time Shaymin incorrectly, Shaymin is also a free two Prizes when Keldeo has three Water Energy attached, so of course Shaymin is not an answer to all of our problems. He helps out, but it won't make people stop using B/K. It's a great deck that is definitely going to see some play. I'm personally excited for it.
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This is actually what I started this thread for, to show that Blastiose/Keldeo is not going to be the BDIF, and that one reason for it will be Shaymin EX, now whether he will be a big problem to B/K will have to be shown when the set comes out. Really, it's going to come down to how you play Shaymin EX, and who you use him to knock out.
 
RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast

Is that why you titled the thread "Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF Horseblast?"
 
RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast

Not going to read through this entire thread, but I will say that Keldeo/Blastoise will probably not be BDIF. RayEels gives it some good competition.
 
RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast

pokemonjoe said:
Is that why you titled the thread "Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF Horseblast?"
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If you read the Thread start, you can see that I said it's not going to be BDIF.
 
RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast

Emopanda133 said:
So as you all probably know by now, Blastiose/Keldeo is the supposed BDIF when Boundries Crossed hits the states, but after the Garchomp/Altaria dissapiontment, I'm not setting high hopes. Mainly because of Shaymin EX. Now, I don't have to tell you that HorseBlast is entirely week to Grass types, and Shaymin EX has already found his way into one of the best decks of this format, Darkrai/Hydregion, and has also been known to enter into Empoleon and Darkrai/Terrakion Decks. Now, these are all great decks, two of them are in the running for BDIF, so does that mean that these decks, none of which are weak to Water types, and are very quick, are going to be out of the running for BDIF?
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However, you said that the other decks are going to be out of the running for BDIF, implying Blastoise/Keldeo will be the BDIF. You also said in the title it will be the future BDIF. Whatever though.
 
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Emopanda133 said:
So as you all probably know by now, Blastiose/Keldeo is the supposed BDIF when Boundries Crossed hits the states,
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pokemonjoe said:
However, you said that the other decks are going to be out of the running for BDIF, implying Blastoise/Keldeo will be the BDIF. You also said in the title it will be the future BDIF. Whatever though.
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Now, these are all great decks, two of them are in the running for BDIF, so does that mean that these decks, none of which are weak to Water types, and are very quick, are going to be out of the running for BDIF?

This was meant to be said as: How are these amazing decks going to be pushed aside like nothing because of a little hype from B/K?
 
RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast

...So then why in the title did you say it was BDIF?
 
RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast

Yes. It seems like he's contradicting himself.
 
RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast

If you really want to stop Keldeo, play Quad Ampharos DRX. Shaymin puts Keldeo in check, but does not necessarily put it out of business. Its not a new card; It came out around our time States, so the card would be thought of a threat to Keldeo way befor this. Keldeo does OHKO Shaymin for 3 (I think) so......I think it will make the worse players drop the deck, as they will not think of a way to work around it, however it will not stop the decks rampage (though its only Tier 1.5 at best, i just thought rampage was a cool word choice :p).
My Keldeo/Blastoise is gonna play SSU just to troll pplz.
 
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RogueChomp said:
My Keldeo/Blastoise is gonna play SSU just to troll pplz.
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You aren't the first who thought that, every decklist of Keldeo/Blastoise I've seen has 2/3 SSU.
 
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Coutihno said:
You aren't the first who thought that, every decklist of Keldeo/Blastoise I've seen has 2/3 SSU.
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Cool story bro.

Obviously I wasn't the first. i was just stating that I wanted to use it.
 
RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast

This deck has no potential, honestly. Keldeo is bad. It is just straight up bad. 110 for 3 energy was good early last format, but now it's just vanilla. To add to Keldeo's obsoleteness, it has only 110 HP for a two prize card draw. Think about it like this: You have three energy on your Keldeo. They attach a DCE to Mewtwo and play a pluspower. Bam, it's gone, and your opponent draws two prizes.

Now onto Blastoise. The idea that Rain Dance/Inferno Fandango etc. is still being hyped is amazing to me. Dropping tons of energy onto a Pokemon that can be killed by Mewtwo easily is a risky, and the risk you're taking just isn't worth the bad things that will come of it. The "Energy Accelaration" Stage 2 thing was good for one time only, and that was Magneboar. Plus, Magneboar was moslty good just because of the limited card pool.
I'd really prefer not to be bombarded with "Have you tested it?" and "It's good in Japan." because, for one ; I don't need to test it. Testing this is like testing Quad Mewtwo 56 energy. It doesn't need to be done. The outcome of the game is too predictable. and two; Japan's meta is very different from ours. Gartaria, and many other decks, have performed incredibly well in Japan, but not in America. Their format is drastically different compared to ours.
If you really need to play "Keldoise", I would play this Keldeo.
 
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Meatheart said:
To add to Keldeo's obsoleteness, it has only 110 HP for a two prize card draw.
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Stopped reading here.
 
RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast

Keldeo EX has 170 HP, and that Keldeo Promo is awful. 3 for 60 was bad long ago. And the point of Keldeo is to put more than 3 energy on it, seeing as it OHKOs all non-EXes at 4 and OHKOs everything not eviolited at 8. It's also got an AMAZING ability and is very fast, plus it has a very nice pool of backup attackers. You also have one of the best Mewtwo Wars of any deck, since you can consistently get 3 energy Mewtwos to KO, so Mewtwo's not a problem.
 
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Puff said:
Keldeo EX has 170 HP, and that Keldeo Promo is awful. 3 for 60 was bad long ago. And the point of Keldeo is to put more than 3 energy on it, seeing as it OHKOs all non-EXes at 4 and OHKOs everything not eviolited at 8. It's also got an AMAZING ability and is very fast, plus it has a very nice pool of backup attackers. You also have one of the best Mewtwo Wars of any deck, since you can consistently get 3 energy Mewtwos to KO, so Mewtwo's not a problem.
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3 energy can be more difficult then it looks. I think for this deck to run well, it's going to need a REALLY good list to make sure it has stuff like the three energy at the times it needs.
 
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