XY Leaked : Final Evolutions Of The X / Y Starters!
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RE: Leaked: Final Evolutions Of The X / Y Starters!
I have been team fennekin all the way and I love the final evolution of it. I was a bit weary at first, but then I looked at all of the other fire final forms and I really like it. To be perfectly honest, the one I like the least is the final chespin. I don't know why, but it just doesn't seem right.
I have been team fennekin all the way and I love the final evolution of it. I was a bit weary at first, but then I looked at all of the other fire final forms and I really like it. To be perfectly honest, the one I like the least is the final chespin. I don't know why, but it just doesn't seem right.
RE: Leaked: Final Evolutions Of The X / Y Starters!
Just for fun, and since we have all the information, I decided to put this little chart together.
As per what are the best combinations of starters, since we get two, I ran the combinations of the STABs of the different combinations of starters through a type coverage calculator, just to see what would happen. I did not calculate the STAB coverage of the three combinations that share types (Fennekin+Charmander, Chespin+Bulbasaur, or Froakie+Squirtle)
This also doesn't take Charizard X's Fire/Dragon typing into account.
Here are the results:
Delphox and Venusaur (Fire, Psychic, Grass, Poision)
This STAB combination has perfect unresisted type coverage on the Pokemon we know about (Through gen 5). It is super effective on 362 Pokemon.
Delphox and Blastoise (Fire, Psychic, Water)
This STAB combination is only resisted by 12 Pokemon: The Slowbro/Slowking line, Starmie, the Sharpedo line, Crawdaunt, Latios, Latias, and the Hydreigon line. It is super effective on 326 Pokemon.
Greninja and Venusaur (Water, Dark, Grass, Poison)
This STAB combination also has perfect coverage on the Pokemon through gen 5. It is super effective on 348 Pokemon.
Greninja and Charizard (Water, Dark, Fire, Flying)
Again, unresisted STAB coverage with this pair. It is super effective on 381 Pokemon.
Chesnaught and Blastoise (Grass, Fighting, Water)
This combination of STABs is completely ineffective on Shedinja, and is resisted by 36 different Pokemon: The Venusaur line, the Vileplume line, the Parasect line, the Victreebel line, the Exeggutor line, Dragonite, the Jumpluff line, Celebi, the Roserade line, Altaria, Tropius, Salamence, Latios, Latias, Rayquaza, Wormadam(Grass), Giratina and Giratina-O, Shaymin(Sky Forme), the Leavanny line, and the Amoongus line. It is super effective on 334 Pokemon.
Chesnaught and Charizard (Grass, Fighting, Fire, Flying)
This STAB combination again has perfect coverage. It is super effective on a whopping 436 different Pokemon.
Taking this information, we come up with the order of the best combinations of Starters by subtracting the number of Pokemon that resist/are immune to each combination from the number of Pokemon that take super effective damage from the pair:
#1 Chesnaught and Charizard have a score of: 436 - 0 = 436
#2 Greninja and Charizard have a score of: 381 - 0 = 381
#3 Delphox and Venusaur have a score of: 362 - 0 = 362
#4 Greninja and Venusaur have a score of: 348 - 0 = 348
#5 Delphox and Blastoise have a score of: 326 - 12 = 314
#6 Chesnaught and Blastoise have a score of: 334 - 37 = 297
Scores of Pokemon unpaired, just for fun:
#1 Delphox has a score of: 223 - 19 = 204
#2 Greninja has a score of: 202 - 16 = 186
#3 Venusaur has a score of: 201 -75 = 176
#4 Charizard has a score of: 207 - 38 = 169
#5 Chesnaught has a score of: 273 - 127 = 146
#6 Blastoise has a score of: 119 - 190 = -71
From this information, I think I will be going with Delphox and Venusaur. It isn't the best type combination, but having Venusaur will be a huge boon since there are going to be tons of Fairy-types running around in Kalos.
Hope this information helps you all!
Edit: This also doesn't account for Torchic distribution.
They're reversed: Water/Dark and Grass/Fighting
Check out my post above for help with that.
Just for fun, and since we have all the information, I decided to put this little chart together.
As per what are the best combinations of starters, since we get two, I ran the combinations of the STABs of the different combinations of starters through a type coverage calculator, just to see what would happen. I did not calculate the STAB coverage of the three combinations that share types (Fennekin+Charmander, Chespin+Bulbasaur, or Froakie+Squirtle)
This also doesn't take Charizard X's Fire/Dragon typing into account.
Here are the results:
Delphox and Venusaur (Fire, Psychic, Grass, Poision)
This STAB combination has perfect unresisted type coverage on the Pokemon we know about (Through gen 5). It is super effective on 362 Pokemon.
Delphox and Blastoise (Fire, Psychic, Water)
This STAB combination is only resisted by 12 Pokemon: The Slowbro/Slowking line, Starmie, the Sharpedo line, Crawdaunt, Latios, Latias, and the Hydreigon line. It is super effective on 326 Pokemon.
Greninja and Venusaur (Water, Dark, Grass, Poison)
This STAB combination also has perfect coverage on the Pokemon through gen 5. It is super effective on 348 Pokemon.
Greninja and Charizard (Water, Dark, Fire, Flying)
Again, unresisted STAB coverage with this pair. It is super effective on 381 Pokemon.
Chesnaught and Blastoise (Grass, Fighting, Water)
This combination of STABs is completely ineffective on Shedinja, and is resisted by 36 different Pokemon: The Venusaur line, the Vileplume line, the Parasect line, the Victreebel line, the Exeggutor line, Dragonite, the Jumpluff line, Celebi, the Roserade line, Altaria, Tropius, Salamence, Latios, Latias, Rayquaza, Wormadam(Grass), Giratina and Giratina-O, Shaymin(Sky Forme), the Leavanny line, and the Amoongus line. It is super effective on 334 Pokemon.
Chesnaught and Charizard (Grass, Fighting, Fire, Flying)
This STAB combination again has perfect coverage. It is super effective on a whopping 436 different Pokemon.
Taking this information, we come up with the order of the best combinations of Starters by subtracting the number of Pokemon that resist/are immune to each combination from the number of Pokemon that take super effective damage from the pair:
#1 Chesnaught and Charizard have a score of: 436 - 0 = 436
#2 Greninja and Charizard have a score of: 381 - 0 = 381
#3 Delphox and Venusaur have a score of: 362 - 0 = 362
#4 Greninja and Venusaur have a score of: 348 - 0 = 348
#5 Delphox and Blastoise have a score of: 326 - 12 = 314
#6 Chesnaught and Blastoise have a score of: 334 - 37 = 297
Scores of Pokemon unpaired, just for fun:
#1 Delphox has a score of: 223 - 19 = 204
#2 Greninja has a score of: 202 - 16 = 186
#3 Venusaur has a score of: 201 -75 = 176
#4 Charizard has a score of: 207 - 38 = 169
#5 Chesnaught has a score of: 273 - 127 = 146
#6 Blastoise has a score of: 119 - 190 = -71
From this information, I think I will be going with Delphox and Venusaur. It isn't the best type combination, but having Venusaur will be a huge boon since there are going to be tons of Fairy-types running around in Kalos.
Hope this information helps you all!
Edit: This also doesn't account for Torchic distribution.
Wailady said:
They're reversed: Water/Dark and Grass/Fighting
mrphan said:
Check out my post above for help with that.
RE: Leaked: Final Evolutions Of The X / Y Starters!
My thoughts:
Chesnaught: It looks OK, but the arms seems ill proportionate to it's body, and it's head looks like it's in a rugby helmet. Not exactly my thing, but I can see where they were going with an rpg tanky feel.
Delphox: I love it. I wish it had a little more embellishment on the shoulders and *robe", so to speak. But the ragged look looks well too. It reminds me of something Radagast the Brown from the Lord of the Rings trilogy would wear. Definitely a good look.
Greninja: At first when I saw it I was all "YEAH!" but then I remembered where it came from and how it doesn't seem to match up, and I wasn't so pleased anymore. But, over time, I came to like it again, almost to the point of me wanting to get him over Dephlox.
Overall, I love how they kept to a theme for the starters for this game, something they haven't really done before, yet they pulled it off very well.
For this reason, I will have to say that this set of starters overall may be my favorites yet. Like I have previously said, Chesnaught isn't exactly what I would have liked, but I can feel what they were trying to achieve there and respect it
TL;DR Version:
I like them and their theme. Pew pew, foxy powers. -3-
My thoughts:
Chesnaught: It looks OK, but the arms seems ill proportionate to it's body, and it's head looks like it's in a rugby helmet. Not exactly my thing, but I can see where they were going with an rpg tanky feel.
Delphox: I love it. I wish it had a little more embellishment on the shoulders and *robe", so to speak. But the ragged look looks well too. It reminds me of something Radagast the Brown from the Lord of the Rings trilogy would wear. Definitely a good look.
Greninja: At first when I saw it I was all "YEAH!" but then I remembered where it came from and how it doesn't seem to match up, and I wasn't so pleased anymore. But, over time, I came to like it again, almost to the point of me wanting to get him over Dephlox.
Overall, I love how they kept to a theme for the starters for this game, something they haven't really done before, yet they pulled it off very well.
For this reason, I will have to say that this set of starters overall may be my favorites yet. Like I have previously said, Chesnaught isn't exactly what I would have liked, but I can feel what they were trying to achieve there and respect it
TL;DR Version:
I like them and their theme. Pew pew, foxy powers. -3-
RE: Leaked: Final Evolutions Of The X / Y Starters!
This is such a tough decision... I like Fennekin the most as a starter, but Greninja the most as a final evo. And the whole Chespin line is pretty good too...
This is such a tough decision... I like Fennekin the most as a starter, but Greninja the most as a final evo. And the whole Chespin line is pretty good too...
RE: Leaked: Final Evolutions Of The X / Y Starters!
Sorry, it wouldn't let me crop it.
Anyway, while I was tracing Chesnaut, I noticed a few things.
1.) The arms are a different color from the rest of the body
2.) Judging by the shape of the carapace, I'm guessing there's an arch of some sort in the back for the tail.
3.) The original image showed it at level 37, and the Delphox and Greninja we've seen were 36, leading me to believe they all evolve at level 36, like the Unova starters.
I also noticed with two of the Greninja Vs Eevee pictures, it has a light blue shuriken pattern on it's thighs, similar to how Sharpedo does on it's snout. Another thing I just noticed now is the fact that the Froakie line may be based off of poison dart frogs, as blowing poison darts is a rather known way to silently assasinate in the media. It would make sense if Ninjas were to do this and the Froakie line learned some poison-type moves. Anyway, so this is just a little bit of stuff I discovered about the starters.
Anyway, while I was tracing Chesnaut, I noticed a few things.
1.) The arms are a different color from the rest of the body
2.) Judging by the shape of the carapace, I'm guessing there's an arch of some sort in the back for the tail.
3.) The original image showed it at level 37, and the Delphox and Greninja we've seen were 36, leading me to believe they all evolve at level 36, like the Unova starters.
I also noticed with two of the Greninja Vs Eevee pictures, it has a light blue shuriken pattern on it's thighs, similar to how Sharpedo does on it's snout. Another thing I just noticed now is the fact that the Froakie line may be based off of poison dart frogs, as blowing poison darts is a rather known way to silently assasinate in the media. It would make sense if Ninjas were to do this and the Froakie line learned some poison-type moves. Anyway, so this is just a little bit of stuff I discovered about the starters.
RE: Leaked: Final Evolutions Of The X / Y Starters!
Is it spelled Chesnaut or Chesnaught? I've seen both, and Chesnaut just makes me think chestnut + astronaut, and that's totally out of this world.
FloodBadge said:Sorry, it wouldn't let me crop it.
Anyway, while I was tracing Chesnaut, I noticed a few things.
1.) The arms are a different color from the rest of the body
2.) Judging by the shape of the carapace, I'm guessing there's an arch of some sort in the back for the tail.
3.) The original image showed it at level 37, and the Delphox and Greninja we've seen were 36, leading me to believe they all evolve at level 36, like the Unova starters.
I also noticed with two of the Greninja Vs Eevee pictures, it has a light blue shuriken pattern on it's thighs, similar to how Sharpedo does on it's snout. Another thing I just noticed now is the fact that the Froakie line may be based off of poison dart frogs, as blowing poison darts is a rather known way to silently assasinate in the media. It would make sense if Ninjas were to do this and the Froakie line learned some poison-type moves. Anyway, so this is just a little bit of stuff I discovered about the starters.
Is it spelled Chesnaut or Chesnaught? I've seen both, and Chesnaut just makes me think chestnut + astronaut, and that's totally out of this world.
RE: Leaked: Final Evolutions Of The X / Y Starters!
It is spelled Chesnaught.
It is spelled Chesnaught.
RE: Leaked: Final Evolutions Of The X / Y Starters!
What are the two words it's derived from? I at first assumed juggernaut and chestnut, but that's naut, not naught.
naut not naught.
Say that ten times fast.
EDIT: Naught actually means zero or nothing, and that is terrible naming-wise.
Also, A search of what words contain the letters 'naught' in that order are naughts, naught, naughtiness, naughtiest, naughty, naughtier, naughties, and naughtily. Chesnaught being spelled like that makes absolutely no sense, unless the word is based on naughty, and the thing is grass/dark, Greninja is water/fighting, and the entire internet is trolling the grass/fighting and water/dark typings.
Shining Raikou said:
What are the two words it's derived from? I at first assumed juggernaut and chestnut, but that's naut, not naught.
naut not naught.
Say that ten times fast.
EDIT: Naught actually means zero or nothing, and that is terrible naming-wise.
Also, A search of what words contain the letters 'naught' in that order are naughts, naught, naughtiness, naughtiest, naughty, naughtier, naughties, and naughtily. Chesnaught being spelled like that makes absolutely no sense, unless the word is based on naughty, and the thing is grass/dark, Greninja is water/fighting, and the entire internet is trolling the grass/fighting and water/dark typings.
RE: Leaked: Final Evolutions Of The X / Y Starters!
You are not, all though it would appear as if we are the minority.
SoulWind said:
You are not, all though it would appear as if we are the minority.
RE: Leaked: Final Evolutions Of The X / Y Starters!
It seems to be:
Chestnut + http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Dreadnaught = Chesnaught
It also sounds kind of like Chestnut when you say it out loud.
Rune Yagami said:
It seems to be:
Chestnut + http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Dreadnaught = Chesnaught
It also sounds kind of like Chestnut when you say it out loud.
RE: Leaked: Final Evolutions Of The X / Y Starters!
Ah, thank you. Damn you Scrabble word finder not having Dreadnaught in your list. That's it, I'm boycotting Hasbro products.
EDIT: That's some serious Old English they pulled out of the bag for that name. Also isn't naught pronounced like 'not' instead of 'nut'? So it would sound like "chesnot"
Shining Raikou said:
Ah, thank you. Damn you Scrabble word finder not having Dreadnaught in your list. That's it, I'm boycotting Hasbro products.
EDIT: That's some serious Old English they pulled out of the bag for that name. Also isn't naught pronounced like 'not' instead of 'nut'? So it would sound like "chesnot"
RE: Leaked: Final Evolutions Of The X / Y Starters!
Say Chesnaught out loud. Then say chestnut out loud. See how they sound similar? It's not as if they're Chesnight and chestnut or something.
Rune Yagami said:
Say Chesnaught out loud. Then say chestnut out loud. See how they sound similar? It's not as if they're Chesnight and chestnut or something.
RE: Leaked: Final Evolutions Of The X / Y Starters!
Unfortunately there is a lot of evidence supporting their legitimacy. Nothing is official until you get your hands on the game, but it's pretty safe to assume at this point.
hyenabite said:
Unfortunately there is a lot of evidence supporting their legitimacy. Nothing is official until you get your hands on the game, but it's pretty safe to assume at this point.