Low Energy Cost Stage 1's

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pokedan24

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One of the things I noticed is the increasing number of stage 1 pokemon that can do 60 damage for a single energy. 60 is a relevant number because with silver bangle, that's 90 to an EX, and if they're weak, you're hitting for 180, taking them out for one energy.

>Cacturne (PLF) does 60 for a grass, with a drawback of doing 30 to one of your bench (Mr Mime blocks that). Add a silver bangle, and by bye bye Keldeo.
>Lanturn (PLF) does 30 for a lightning, but that becomes 60 if you have a special energy attached (Much easier to do now that we have Rainbow energy). This can take care of Lugia and Yveltal.
>Now, in X and Y, we're getting a Dugtrio that does 60 for a fighting but 10 to all your bench (Mr Mime again). Darkrai and Thundurus, watch out!

That's a lot of type coverage, and it's not even getting into the pokemon that can reach those numbers for a DCE (Flareon PLF can hit ridiculous numbers). Now I'm not sure if a deck using several random stage 1s could be that good, but perhaps decks that do have room for a bunch of tech attackers could find a use for at least one of these guys. The best deck I can see using these is the Flareon deck. Maybe if Lugia becomes big, they could throw in a Lanturn line to counter that thing. Rainbow energy not only covers the cost, but can cover the cost of essentially any attacker you have.

TLDR: 60 for one attack + Silver Bangle + Rainbow Energy = Possible counter for troublesome EXes.
 
Could throw in some Evolution Sodas and a deck like this would have so much more consistency. This kind of deck is interesting, it sounds like Empoleon but more diverse.
 
Lanturn and Dugtrio are both covered by Rainbow and Blend, Flareon and Drifblim by DCE. It could work....
 
I'm now thinking that flareon is now starting to become a deck... With evolution soda at 4 and these tech attackers and a couple extra bangles flareon could really start an uprising.
 
Leafeon and Flareon are great stage 1's once you are in mid to late game, highly recommend that deck for beginners / veterans who need to make a cheap deck. I hope in the future we get some more diversity other than primarily EX's and counter ex pokemon (terrakion, sawk, etc) controlling the meta.
 
Wow junglebeatz please stop with the flareon leafeon deck being the ideal cheap deck for beginners. It is by far one of the hardest decks out there to play. It requires heaps of skill, and though it is cheap, I wouldn't suggest it for beginners.
 
Yeah, not to mention we get Conkeldurr, which with LaserBank thrown in can do 90 for one Fighting. So if youre looking at Stage 1's, id say Dugtrio is the best option via having the most support when XY comes out.
 
Drifblim from Plasma Blast will do well against Plasma Decks. Its attack costs one less energy for each Plasma Pokemon your opponet has in play. If they have at least two, that's cheap attacking for you. Ninetails from Dragons Exalted can switch your opponet when you evolve it (good with Devolution Spray) and do 20 for 1. Plus 50 more for each Special Condition on the Defending Pokemon. A Hypnotoxic Laser success will be enough damage to knock out today's popular Virizion/Genesect EX. The Drifblim from Dragons Exalted isn't too shabby either. One energy and 50 damage times the number of Special Energy in their discard pile. If you could work it with Cobalion EX or to counter Lugia EX, they're going to have a hard time.

So overall, not bad cards just a few suggestions from me. Good luck with your decks!
 
This seems like it could be pretty cool deck. If you're playing Flareon or DCE, I'd suggest playing Raichu XY instead of Lanturn. For a DCE it does 20 times the number of Benched Pokemon you have. Unlike Lanturn, it can OHKO Empoleon, as well as Yveltal and Lugia, without the need for Silver Bangle (unless you bench isn't full, then you'd need a Bangle).

Zoroark BW might also be a good card if you're playing DCE's. It's very good against Black Kyurem, being able to OHKO it for a DCE. There are plenty of other match ups where it can be useful, too, mainly against giant Mewtwo's and Yveltal's. If you want to go all out with the type coverage, Toxicroak can KO Mewtwo, Deoxys and Trubbish in one hit. And if you ever need to hit for 120, Revenge/Bangle can do that for you.
 
^ Yeah, Raichu is probably the better choice now that I think about it (though Lanturn wouldn't be bad until then). I love Toxicroak! I made a silly deck with it on PTCGO and did surprisingly well. The single colorless attack cost makes it splashable in a lot of deck. Very underrated card in my opinion.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see some kind of deck like this work. Empoleon is already pretty good. Some variants mix in Flareon and Leafeon for type coverage. Jolteon (Dark Explorers) has an attack that can do 60 for one (Silver Bangle for EXs and Strength charm for Empoleon). Mew EX can cover psychic type weakness (rainbow energy helps here) and Dugtrio can hit things like Darkrai and Thundurus. That should cover the most common weaknesses.
 
All flareon is doing now is getting better. With rainbow energy and evolution soda its gaining tiers. One by one!
 
The problem with running a crapton of Stage-1s is the fact that you're literally going to have dead cards in your deck. I like the discussion with playing Cacturne, Lanturn, Dugtrio, etc., but against some matchups, they're useless. There isn't any consistency. If you're playing Darkrai, Dugtrio is your best friend. But against Keldeo, welp. Never mind. Sure, you have that Weakness covered, but how many of each Stage-1 Pokemon are you going to play? 3-3s of each? That's just inconsistent and unreliable.
 
zavtac said:
All flareon is doing now is getting better. With rainbow energy and evolution soda its gaining tiers. One by one!
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I agree with you there now Flareon has a reliable Darkrai Counter.

Serperior said:
The problem with running a crapton of Stage-1s is the fact that you're literally going to have dead cards in your deck. I like the discussion with playing Cacturne, Lanturn, Dugtrio, etc., but against some matchups, they're useless. There isn't any consistency. If you're playing Darkrai, Dugtrio is your best friend. But against Keldeo, welp. Never mind. Sure, you have that Weakness covered, but how many of each Stage-1 Pokemon are you going to play? 3-3s of each? That's just inconsistent and unreliable.
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I see what your saying but I think a deck like this could work. Just look how well Flareons worked at worlds this year. It would be designed to have a counter for each situation and like a lot of decks of course there will be some dead cards to certain matchups. However I think a deck like this certainly deserves some play testing.
 
I totally agree. But you wouldn't be running 3-3 of pure stage 1 in your deck. You always counter to your meta with a general 2-2 line of what you want to counter, taking out Pokemon for other matchups. Lets say plasma is big in your area, you'd run a 2-2 Drifblim line to counter, and so on. And BTW you wouldn't play dugtrio for darkrai, Terrakion LTR is your man. Revenge killing in OU... Wait no revenge killing darkrais and thundurus in TCG like a boss.
 
I'll tell you right now - you cannot counter everything. I watched that game with Dylan's Flareon, and it was a good deck. But in the end, you just can't cover all the Weaknesses.

Darkrai - Fighting (Terrakion)
Plasma-related stuff - Drifblim
Thundurus-EX - Fighting (Terrakion)
Keldeo-EX - Grass (Cacturne or Leafeon)
Virizion-EX/Genesect-EX - Fire (Flareon)
Mewtwo-EX - Psychic (...Drifblim?)
Gothitelle/Accelgor - ...what now?

There's a lot to consider. You're gonna be packing a lot of different Pokemon in the same deck. Flareon shines late game, but chances are VirGen decks will run that over with a single hit, and then what? Will you be playing two? They have access to Catcher due to Genesect's Ability and can pick off the Eevee before they even get going. I'd like to see this work because I hate the meta and I love rogue decks, so I'd like to see a list or something you guys can come up with.

EDIT: Forgot about Empoleon and Black Kyurem-EX. Lightning and Dragon. :|
 
zavtac said:
Wow junglebeatz please stop with the flareon leafeon deck being the ideal cheap deck for beginners. It is by far one of the hardest decks out there to play. It requires heaps of skill, and though it is cheap, I wouldn't suggest it for beginners.
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Thats your opinion, I would suggest this deck and I would suggest Plasma Weavile deck as well (since the strats are very similar), building really any other can be expensive for new players and the strats for Flareon & Leafeon and Weavile deck is to discard cards into the pile.
 
Serperior said:
The problem with running a crapton of Stage-1s is the fact that you're literally going to have dead cards in your deck. I like the discussion with playing Cacturne, Lanturn, Dugtrio, etc., but against some matchups, they're useless. There isn't any consistency. If you're playing Darkrai, Dugtrio is your best friend. But against Keldeo, welp. Never mind. Sure, you have that Weakness covered, but how many of each Stage-1 Pokemon are you going to play? 3-3s of each? That's just inconsistent and unreliable.
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Cards that aren't needed in certain match ups can always be discard fodder to power up Flareon.
 
Ideally, there should be enough pokemon in the discard pile late game for Flareon to burn through everything.
 
And the versatility about Flareon is that it can tech against almost every deck in existence.
 
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