PMJ is also interesting since as town, he ignores D1 cases, but not late D1 cases- he usually makes some kind of a comment.
I do this as scum too. I also don't ignore d1 cases, I ignore rvs, which is not at all the same thing. Also, we still have over a day and a half to discuss things, so I wouldn't exactly call this a late case, especially since I'm late to this party and we still have plenty of time. I see bb also had the same idea.
That said, I had no idea that not only was rvs basically done and over with far earlier than I'd expected, but that sm almost got hammered. So I'm going to try to be more active from this point.
Townies don’t automatically assume the intent of general posts then defend themselves when they aren’t under attack. When you have something to hide it’s easy to view things as attacks. Between this and his response to BB it’s clear that he’s defensive. He uses an unneeded amount of AtE and can’t admit fault. Townies can be wrong and one of the marks of scum is that they refuse to admit defeat on a small point. SM keeps on using words like targeted. Read back. No one was attacked and no response was needed.
This is a good point and probably the strongest piece of (circumstantial) evidence against sm. This is evidenced by his response to bb, which I agree was a bit of an overreaction. bb was answering sm's own question and sm responded immediately on the defensive, taking bb's note of "we have info on you now" to mean some sort of guilty result or way to prove guilt through his posts. His use of the word 'threatened' is telling.
I think sm's argument that Camo was only talking to him would have more weight if NP hadn't also done the thing Camo posted about, but I can see each player's point of view. With that said, I agree with Camo about it being a generalized statement since multiple players were guilty of doing the thing he mentioned. sm just happened to be the last guy who did it, so he construed it as a direct response to him.
I don't like the second post sm made about not hunting for townie points. It was an unnecessary addition to his post and feels like he's trying to distance himself from the idea of saying or doing something for town cred. Ditto for NP.
I'm not seeing the plethora of AtE sm is supposedly using.
PMJ’s day one meta is bad and if you don’t vote for him he won’t change it. I was hoping someone else would follow suit as I can’t do anything by myself.
The early game is almost always nothing but joke votes and the first days of the game is just waiting for someone to say or do something enough to build a silly case on. I don't see the appeal in participating in that. Can you explain why it's so bad?
I can be aggressive and defensive as town as shown in past games and can be confirmed by other players like NP and bbninjas (past hosts that told me that I was aggressive). I don’t see myself as aggressive this game. I simply ask for clarifications and in depth thinking for future analysis of posts, but it is taken as being defensive and aggressive. I have this issue pretty much any game when I’m town where I need to decide, ok should I comment on that obvious point and stress it further, or leave it because people would yell “he is so aggressive”.
Guys, we had it all wrong, this is sm's town meta. He explained how he plays as town and he is playing just like that so there's no way he could ever be scum and shouldn't get a spotlight put on him for doing something really dumb.
Do you think that if I had not posted the post of me tagging TE, Camo would have still posted that statement about tagging people?
Yeah.
As for the bbninjas issue that I thought he tried to scare me. I was just making the point that if you say something like “now that you posted so much we have some interesting information on you” without explaining exactly what your point is is pointless, unless you did that to tease that player.
I think his statement that there was now good info on you kinda was the point. Either that, or it was an addition to his response to your question. Either way this defense is weak.
Readlists aren’t something that’s helpful man. I’ve said this game after game after game. You only make readlists if:
1. You are about to die or be lynched
2. It is the very end of the game
Readlists are useless. You show who you think is scummy in your actions. All a readlist does is show scum how they should be more careful in other situations.
I agree with this like 75%. NP's point about seeing progression is also a good point, since it gives town a way to actively see how a player's reads have changed over the course of the game.
It's usually true. Camo knows how to push a lynch regardless of his alignment, and I think it's easy for scum to just slide on in, especially since this is day one and an airtight case isn't gonna happen. Case in point:
Even to me,
@scattered mind's behavior seems pretty scummy.
How? This statement isn't qualified by anything. Your previous posts were all irrelevant RVS dumbness or status updates. You said you've played a couple games before and lurked the last one so you should know better than to make blind posts like that. The position on the wagon leads me to believe you tried to either hammer, miscounting like sm did, or get in on what was looking to be a surefire lynch. Camo's case isn't perfect, but it's good enough for day one, I think, so sm flipping town could be explained away fairly easy. Either way, this vote is ultra sketchy.
##vote: GamePhoenix