For everyone elses sake, Jabber completely misinterprets the point. Watch Jabber closely when BB flips scum.
Finished Mafia XLIX: Fight for the Falls!
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I probably should have asked "Why don't you think the PMJ is good enough (meaning that I should think of a different one)?", but ah well. My wagon has virtually been "the game". There hasn't been much else going on. Where do I look? Early RVS? That stage rarely as anything substantial. The Mariano/Megapod stuff? That was rubbish. Then my case came, and that's been the talk ever since. I'd also like to point out that PMJ hasn't exactly posted very much, and so I have accounted his posts over the entirety of the game.
I'm not just sitting around, you know... I've been asking questions of some, observing others. I'm not rushing hastily into this, that is how you get innos lynched.
I have already said why I'm not doing this, and why there is an infinitely better option. As I said, it'll take much longer than 30 minutes (bets on that Camo has posted half of the game's posts so far). Please tell me why Camo cannot simply repeat the case, put in one paragraph and one post (this is to avoid his detrimental style) and help every single player keep track of the case. It's in the town's favour for Camo to simply repeat the case.
Your loss. I don't care about your time, I know you're scum.
Wait don't you have an incredibly large scum lead? I'd start maybe looking wherever you found that.
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It's clear at this point he's not going to, so you can either do it yourself or curl up and die. I am fine with either result.
Ha! As if responding to Camo's posts as he demands of me is ever going to stop me from being lynched. It's a pity that Camo has decided to be difficult and thus be a detriment.
But I thought I am obvious scum? Why would you give obvious scum chances? That seems so uncharacteristic of you.
Let's add that bolded to the list of things that Camoclone has twisted! Don't worry, I'll have the last laugh. ^.^
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Considering we have three days... I mean yeah, it might. I just said I was open to changing my vote but you don't seem interested in trying.
You can do better than that. Are you really going to just give up?
@PMJ Going over your last posts you don't seem too convinced BB is scum. You encourage him to defend himself and you're even willing to change your vote, but you're also fine with him dying and you strengthen his wagon with a vote.... You're aiming to be in a grey area before the day ends and that doesn't sit right with me.
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We need more activity from you. I've seen you around. Please comment on the current situation. (A little more than ''I'm ok with BB'' would be great)
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We need more activity from you. I've seen you around. Please comment on the current situation. (A little more than ''I'm ok with BB'' would be great)
Ok, so after some lurking, my thoughts are as follows. While I find Camoclone's style off, it's apparently NAI behavior for him on its own. And even though bb has a point about Camo being able to summarize his case and not doing it, it could be another way of pressuring bb to go back and read. I figure with bb's somewhat passive attitude, he's a pretty safe d1 lynch, and if he is scum, that could clear Camoclone. So, I think hopping on the wagon is a good idea at this point.
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: bbninjas
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##VOTE: bbninjas
"I'm okay with bb" seems like a pretty consistent mindset across the board. Despite that, many people can't seem to actually say why I'm scummy (aside from PMJ and Jabber). The apathy is really quite a pity.
To reiterate my case on PMJ; VOTE: PMJ
In a similar vein to what Robin said, PMJ is just being widely wishy-washy and non-committal with what he says ("maybe, is probably a good lynch, not too sure // don't care"). However, it seems that he's parked his vote and consistently comments on my case, which shows the complete opposite - he appears to have a committed interest in me. An interesting disparity. That along with his double standard vote on me (his reason was that I'm not moving the game state, even though he hadn't done that himself), shows that his inconsistencies are not just a once-off. As such, I still think PMJ is scum.
@MegaPod_781 Three questions: Do you think I'll actually flip scum? (If so, why am I scummy?) How does me being passive make me a safe lynch (what would be different if I was aggressive)? What are your thoughts on some other people?
@Camoclone No doubt, with this new vote, you are going to demand I claim again. How will claiming change whether or not I should be lynched? Claiming for little reason is inherently pro-mafian, and you have not given a reason as to why it is pro-town.
To reiterate my case on PMJ; VOTE: PMJ
In a similar vein to what Robin said, PMJ is just being widely wishy-washy and non-committal with what he says ("maybe, is probably a good lynch, not too sure // don't care"). However, it seems that he's parked his vote and consistently comments on my case, which shows the complete opposite - he appears to have a committed interest in me. An interesting disparity. That along with his double standard vote on me (his reason was that I'm not moving the game state, even though he hadn't done that himself), shows that his inconsistencies are not just a once-off. As such, I still think PMJ is scum.
@MegaPod_781 Three questions: Do you think I'll actually flip scum? (If so, why am I scummy?) How does me being passive make me a safe lynch (what would be different if I was aggressive)? What are your thoughts on some other people?
@Camoclone No doubt, with this new vote, you are going to demand I claim again. How will claiming change whether or not I should be lynched? Claiming for little reason is inherently pro-mafian, and you have not given a reason as to why it is pro-town.
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What part of "I want someone lynched d1" is a gray area?
I'm never convinced of anyone's alignment by the end of day one barring some damning see results and since we don't have that we're gonna have to settle for whatever the town settles on. bb has resorted to AtE and refuses to put in the effort needed to defend himself and for a day one lynch that's more than good enough for me.
I'm never convinced of anyone's alignment by the end of day one barring some damning see results and since we don't have that we're gonna have to settle for whatever the town settles on. bb has resorted to AtE and refuses to put in the effort needed to defend himself and for a day one lynch that's more than good enough for me.
Morning check in that I still feel awful but once this Ibuprofen kicks in I can hopefully start working.
Camo is definitely someone who would bus his scumbuddy D1 given the opportunity, so don't write him off just yet...
Do you think not responding has a better chance of saving you? This is exactly the same as how you were playing last game.
And instead, you're posting multiple walls of texts explaining why you won't defend yourself against Camo's case on you. If you had just taken the time from the start, would it really have taken that much longer than this has?
You are right, Camo not repeating the case against you is not pro-town, but your refusal to respond to the arguments made against you is no better, especially given the fact that there has been instances of other players summarizing why you're scummy, which you've casually ignored.
I'll repeat it though; You are scummy because of your passive attitude and refusal to defend yourself. You are spending all your time arguing why you shouldn't have to defend yourself while telling us how bad Camo's playstyle is. Why is this bad? You're giving off the impression that you do not care if you survive or not, as long as you can get someone else to look bad alongside you. You also seem to be ignoring the fact that other people besides Camo find you scummy, acting like the only one whose arguments against you have any real significance is him.
I'm here. Sorry for being inactive for two days, it took me a lot of time to read the 10 pages from my last actual post. So let's begin with my thoughts.
First of all, ##UNVOTE: quaking because it was only RVS.
Regarding the bbninjas' case. I don't agree with the reason he is being accused for. In my opinion, he is responding well to the accusations he is receiving. I don't have any reasons to think he is scum. For example, what's wrong in asking Camo to summarize (or actually tell, because I don't remember reading it) why he thinks he is scummy?
About Camoclone. He is being my top scum read right now. He asks a lot of questions and demands to answer them (which is good), while he barely answers the questions people ask him. For example, I don't recall a single time he answered the question "What do you see scummy about [[Player X]]?" despite the fact people asked it to him multiple times. ##VOTE: Camoclone
About Jabberwock. I'm reading him quite townie. He is exposing good answers to the questions he is receiving and is pushing some other questions to scumhunt.
I'd like to see more stuff from inactive people, like quaking, rainy and jplap.
Yeah, obviously the easiest thing would be to jump on the wagon and vote bbninjas, but I won't vote someone I don't see scummy.
First of all, ##UNVOTE: quaking because it was only RVS.
Regarding the bbninjas' case. I don't agree with the reason he is being accused for. In my opinion, he is responding well to the accusations he is receiving. I don't have any reasons to think he is scum. For example, what's wrong in asking Camo to summarize (or actually tell, because I don't remember reading it) why he thinks he is scummy?
About Camoclone. He is being my top scum read right now. He asks a lot of questions and demands to answer them (which is good), while he barely answers the questions people ask him. For example, I don't recall a single time he answered the question "What do you see scummy about [[Player X]]?" despite the fact people asked it to him multiple times. ##VOTE: Camoclone
About Jabberwock. I'm reading him quite townie. He is exposing good answers to the questions he is receiving and is pushing some other questions to scumhunt.
I'd like to see more stuff from inactive people, like quaking, rainy and jplap.
Yeah, obviously the easiest thing would be to jump on the wagon and vote bbninjas, but I won't vote someone I don't see scummy.
I'm gonna calm us down right here and say that polarizing the village is always a terrible idea because there's often at least one scum on both sides.
Polarizing wasn't my intention, I wanted to express my thoughts. Obviously, if I find something strange in any player I'll say it, no matter if it's Camo, bb or anyone else.
But your thoughts are exactly "those that agree with me on Camo are town", which is a terribad mindset to take.
Where did you get this?
Jabber and BB seem to be the most vocal anti-Camo people, and those are his two town reads. His one scum read is the most pro-Camo person (Camo himself).
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