Finished Mafia XLIX: Fight for the Falls!

[Mariano11887]

He just gave his thoughts on you. Why are you so anxious to deflect him?

I just wanted to know his thoughts about all what's happening, not only me. Is it bad?

 

[Jabberwock]

I just wanted to know his thoughts about all what's happening, not only me. Is it bad?

So you wanted to get his attention away from you? Yeah that's bad. That's a scumtell.

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: MARIANO11887

 

[Draskk]

So you wanted to get his attention away from you? Yeah that's bad. That's a scumtell.

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: MARIANO11887

I find it quite interesting that not even 10 minutes after I point out the possibility of a Jabber+Mariano+bb scum team you attack Mariano.

(Not invalidating your point at all, that post is scummy.)

 

[NinjaPenguin]

I find it quite interesting that not even 10 minutes after I point out the possibility of a Jabber+Mariano+bb scum team you attack Mariano.

(Not invalidating your point at all, that post is scummy.)

His last vote was on BB though.

 

[Camoclone]

Do you really think that he's OMGUSing based on this one time you pressured him way back on like page 5?

Yes he has no coherent reason.

 

[Camoclone]

His last vote was on BB though.

This whole thing is WIFOM.

 

[Draskk]

His last vote was on BB though.

After defending bb and wishywashing (is that a word?) over actually voting bb for like 3 pages.

 

[Camoclone]

Jabber, ninjas, and Mariano do have incredibly interesting ties that are worth looking into when ninjas flips scum.

 

[Mariano11887]

So you wanted to get his attention away from you? Yeah that's bad. That's a scumtell.

No. When did I have NP's attention? I asked him for general thoughts about the game. Please explain me how is that scummy.

Jabber, ninjas, and Mariano do have incredibly interesting ties that are worth looking into when ninjas flips scum.

Just lynch bbninjas if you want, I want to see your reaction if he flips Town.

 

[PMJ]

The fact that your position on bb doesn't indicate whether or not you think he's scum. We need informationfrom a D1 lynch––you've said that yourself plenty of times over. You're currently staying in a nice gray area that won't tell us anything about you after bb's flip.

Ok, I understand now.

bb is inexplicably folding to early game pressure from camo. bb has played enough games with camo to know not to do exactly what he's doing. Instead of trying to mount a defense, he's making excuses, deflecting attention onto me, his only other active accuser, and is resorting to AtE and saying things like how he might as well not post at all.

bb isn't an idiot but he's playing like someone who got his hand caught in the cookie jar. Instead of remaining calm, he's done nothing but panic, which is not like him.

So yes, I think he's scum.

 

[Draskk]

deflecting attention onto me, his only other active accuser

...I exist.

 

[Draskk]

So yeah I was gonna write a bb/Jabber/Mariano ISO but unexpected things happened. So hopefully it will be coming sometime late tonight.

Ok, I understand now.

bb is inexplicably folding to early game pressure from camo. bb has played enough games with camo to know not to do exactly what he's doing. Instead of trying to mount a defense, he's making excuses, deflecting attention onto me, his only other active accuser, and is resorting to AtE and saying things like how he might as well not post at all.

bb isn't an idiot but he's playing like someone who got his hand caught in the cookie jar. Instead of remaining calm, he's done nothing but panic, which is not like him.

So yes, I think he's scum.

This is a pretty accurate summary of the bb case, except you forgot all the OMGUS.

 

[Camoclone]

Just lynch bbninjas if you want, I want to see your reaction if he flips Town.

This is a scum post.

 

[JadeGemTM]

Day 1 vote count #3

The player with the most votes will be bolded.

MegaPod_781 - Jplap, Lord (1)
Professor_Jplap - Camo, Robin, NP (4)
quakingpunch73 - Mariano (1)
Mariano11887 - Camo, Gekki, Jabber (1)
Lord o da rings - Gekki (0)
GekkisaiDaiNi - PMJ (0)
NinjaPenguin - Simsands (o)
Camoclone - Megapod, Mariano (1)
Robin Aisaga - Quaking (1)
bbninjas - Camo, Gekki, PMJ, Simsands, Jabber, Megapod (4)

Professor_Jplap is at L-4
bbninjas is at L-4


Day 1 ends Wednesday February 7th at 10am EST.

 

[NinjaPenguin]

Okay time for me to analyze. I'll go two pages per post. Most of this stuff is pretty far back and not fully relevant, so I'll condense in spoiler and tl;dr for you people who don't have all the time in the world because they're stuck at home.

Spoiler: Pages 9-10

That entire post got messed up somehow. Let's just try this again:

I know it's a bit early, but I dislike this lack of activity and I've got some time to kill. So:

Townreads (No particular order):

@Robin Aisaga-Posts have been useful and well informed. @Camoclone-On his meta and while I don't agree with alot of his reads he is super active, out there, and doesn't seem to be holding back at all. Plus I like his bb case.

Nullreads (towniest to scummiest)


@simsands-Asking some good questions and his tone is good-but he acted the exact same way last game and flipped scum.
@NinjaPenguin-Townie as usual (good tone and points) but I never trust him further than I could throw him since he is experienced and very good at Mafia.
@quakingpunch73-Needs to contribute more. What he has posted has been decent tho.
@Lord o da rings-To my knowledge she also hasn't posted anything of use. Nothing particularly scummy about her though.
@MegaPod_781-Nothing really scummy or townie has stuck out about him to me.
@Alex Sableye-Post something please
@Professor_jplap-Not contributing, posts have been fluffy and useless, and that buddying with Lorde was weird. However he is also super new.
@PMJ-Need to see more posts, he has contributed nothing except some short-winded opinions on Camo's plan from earlier

Scumreads (Towniest to scummiest):

@Jabberwock-OOC aggression and although he has made some good points he just isn't rubbing me right; this is more of a gut read than anything else, and I would not advise voting for him.
@Mariano11887-Not contributing enough, his few posts have been short and haven't really accomplished much. As well as this point by NP:
Mariano11887 said: I also like the idea of the Camoclone lynch, but not right now, it's very early Day 1. It will be better to execute the lynch later so we have time to make more reads on the people in the meanwhile.
To which @NinjaPenguin responded with:
This reads terribly too btw. I see no reason to take this approach on the matter and not just vote. I also don't see why anything he's done looks scummy to you besides OMGUS.
@bbninjas-All the things Camo said about him. Although he is my top scumread ATM my vote is on Mariano since I want to see a response from him and bb is already being pushed.

First things first, this reads list isn't needed and is really sucky.
Lol first mention of this Jabber-BB-Mariano scumteam is here I'd say. Just an fyi Gekki. If there is a ever a reads list that predicts how the game is about to go, this is it. Almost shady in a scumteamy way to me.
Sim isn't doing anything to deserve any townreads imo, but then again, that might just be a misread since they seemed actively townie last game and were scum.
Jabber's aggression isn't OOC and IDK why anybody thinks it is.
If you're reading this, how does being on his meta affect Camo's alignment? Also, which read don't you agree with?

True, otherwise I'd be scumreading you since you're usually active. Still, even with this in mind, you will remain on my null list since I haven't seen much from you.

Activity reading people is a bad excuse 99/100 times.

bb I've been giving you the benefit of the doubt and FoS on everybody who's been pressuring you based solely on the fact that I know you're incredibly busy IRL and probably just haven't been following the game closely enough. That's not gonna last forever. Read the thread.

This interaction looks staged.

Did you consider whether Jabber is questioning players so that he can form reads and arguments, Camo?

Loaded question has no use.

tl;dr
-Gekki's reads list is garbo. It seems like trying to be way too solvy like scattered was in that one game.
-Some small scummy things.

 

[Draskk]

Okay time for me to analyze. I'll go two pages per post. Most of this stuff is pretty far back and not fully relevant, so I'll condense in spoiler and tl;dr for you people who don't have all the time in the world because they're stuck at home.

Spoiler: Pages 9-10

First things first, this reads list isn't needed and is really sucky.
Lol first mention of this Jabber-BB-Mariano scumteam is here I'd say. Just an fyi Gekki. If there is a ever a reads list that predicts how the game is about to go, this is it. Almost shady in a scumteamy way to me.
Sim isn't doing anything to deserve any townreads imo, but then again, that might just be a misread since they seemed actively townie last game and were scum.
Jabber's aggression isn't OOC and IDK why anybody thinks it is.
If you're reading this, how does being on his meta affect Camo's alignment? Also, which read don't you agree with?

Activity reading people is a bad excuse 99/100 times.

This interaction looks staged.

Loaded question has no use.

tl;dr
-Gekki's reads list is garbo. It seems like trying to be way too solvy like scattered was in that one game.
-Some small scummy things.

It was an early game reads list, don't expect perfection. :U

 

[simsands]

It was an early game reads list, don't expect perfection. :U

Read the post. That's the issue.

 

[NinjaPenguin]

Spoiler: Pages 11-12

Hey Jabber, here's a thought. When you're already scummy, instead of dropping a vote with no reasoning, maybe you should actually make an informed vote with some reasoning behind it.

Hey Gekki, here's a thought. Passive aggressive comments get you nowhere, especially when he probably has some thought process behind it.

Everyone remember the search thing I explained how to use? Jabberwock doesn't or is playing dumb.

I don't see how this relates at all tbh.

If I get lynched, so be it. Jabberwock is the only person who is actually thinking rationally, and at least my flip will be a wake-up call for everyone else.

I repeat, Camo's scumhunting style is detrimental. It always has been difficult, and it crosses the line into detrimental in small games with town that regularly sheep behind charismatic people who talk lots and spout out meaningless jargon and calls them tells (evidence: the last 2 games at least, if not +5). I do not know if he is actually scum, because he is insanely good at rinsing and repeating this same style as either alignment.

Out of all the votes that piled up on me, PMJ's is the scummiest. He votes me because I have not moved on the game state (both a subjective and bizarre expectation for one) when PMJ was yet to move the game state himself. Even then, I wouldn't call placing a vote and hopping on a "you're not posting how I want" wagon a particularly helpful contribution. A double standard, and it does not sit well with me at all. ##VOTE: PMJ Anyone who dismisses this as OMGUS needs to explain why my read is entirely incorrect, and anyone who reads my scummy for this vote needs to actually state how my vote is scummy. "OMGUS" is not a reason, it is technical jargon that scum hide behind.

Evidence: Last truly strong towns were in Lorde's games tbh. Game 1 town just played on pointe with some great PR actions (i.e. protecting myself from the NK) and game 2 we had agreed not to kill experienced players. So whether or not the good townies get killed basically decides the results on this site (so I dunno, maybe make it fair for once and leave me alive? ).

if I was really scumbuddies with Camo

Help me.

Your wagon is not based off just that, so nice try, but I'm onto that word twist. Once again, scumtell here is valid though.

See this is what screws us over every time. This is such clear polarization when Camo has word twisted so much more than this one from BB (yes I'll provide an example).

tl;dr I'm not liking Gekki's posts. Again. I feel like it's different than the last game, but I feel that way every time...

 

[NinjaPenguin]

Spoiler: Pages 13-14

Ahhh everyone take note. Bbninjas never actually refutes the argument against him or admits it was scummy which it clearly was. This is classics ad hominem. Instead of attacking the argument he attacks me. BBninjas deserves more votes.

This is when the BB case begins to actually be good imo. This point and threatening not to contribute are really what makes the case on him good.

Word twist convo:

Show me where he says my argument against him is pointless and detrimental to town. He doesn't he just makes a general statement on me.

It's not a statement against you. It's a statement against the way you play and the arguments that result from it.

Jabber directly quotes a post that shows exactly that, but then

Nope. That's not a logical argument. Why are you still defending your buddy?

BB's argument isn't good, but Jabber did exactly what Camo asked for (Show an argument of BB's saying Camo's playstyle is detrimental to town) and then got accused for it.

PMJ's vote on bb was very icky and his last post didn't help him either, with that weird assumption that bb's lynch was scum-driven. Unsure if it actually is OOC for day 1, though...

If BB is scum let's practically clear PMJ. His jumping on the wagon really was no worse than anyone else's, and these attacks at him aren't town motivated imo.

tl;dr
Eh not much really this time around except showing a point.

 

[NinjaPenguin]

Spoiler: 15-16

I am reading someone else scum, but I need to watch them more, else we will have a half-baked case.

Start playing and pressure them more. No help holding the card close to your chest if we won't end up knowing about the case until it's too late.
Or is it you trying to make up someone as we speak?

Also I never played in any Mystery Dungeon game so I guess the question of which game it was is lost to the ages.

Actually, it appears you did play that game and were Torkal.

Ha! As if responding to Camo's posts as he demands of me is ever going to stop me from being lynched. It's a pity that Camo has decided to be difficult and thus be a detriment.

But I thought I am obvious scum? Why would you give obvious scum chances? That seems so uncharacteristic of you.
Let's add that bolded to the list of things that Camoclone has twisted! Don't worry, I'll have the last laugh. ^.^

Woo some nice fun AtE!

And then we're back to this morning. I'd put my vote on BB but he has plenty so:
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: GekkisaiDaiNi