Finished Mafia XXXVII: Celever's School Grades ~ Game Over!

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@Squirtle Squad hasn't been contributing all too much either and is more either posting fluff or just agreeing with people, so eye on him too. Couples posts are contributing, but I'd like to see more.

Sorry, I left for a short holiday with my wife as soon as Day1 started, so I've tried to post as regularly as possible but haven't had time to properly read back and create cases etc.

You're not 100% sure because there REALLY isn't much of a case. There are only some people that judge me because of my preferenced play style. It really comes down to a bunch of players that are afraid to be lynched that try to create a band wagon (including wolfs if you use common sense) To be honest I've never seen so many fooling fools together in a game! Players that do know how to play decently should definitly look into the players that voted me day 1.



Well, you really lost your touch while you were absent. Your band wagon is way too obvious!

##VOTE: Wailord_2



You don't even know what that word means. Also get a clue.

Is this what I sound like when I get frustrated? That's embarrassing.. haha
Robin reads as arrogant town, I'll definitely be keeping an eye on him but for now is reaction to me seems townie (simply because I react the same way).

At the moment I'm still pretty sold with Jesi, as others have said that V/LA came out of nowhere and is a quite dodgy thing to do especially when pressure is mounting on you.
 
I've decided that I'm now ready to jump back in, and I've been trying to write a post. That's why I'm lurking, Camo.
 
An okay post, but claims that he doesn't want to vote.
So?
Claiming to be scumhunting. If we can't tell you're scumhunting, how do you expect us to believe that you're actually doing it. Also appears annoyed by Camo leaving a vote on him.
So?
You would've preferred if you didn't have to? So you admit to not wanting to take part in discussion.
Nope not true, I don't mind being part of discussions. I was talking about scum hunting.
He then proceeds to add a little AtE to finish off.
Just stating the facts so people knew I wouldn't be online very often on sunday.
You say you <3 scum hunting yet you haven't yet. That's the contradiction. Your sole vote is a total OMGUS.
You didn't notice? I thought you were observant. Guess your not really a professor after all.
Calls people on his wagon fools.
Nah I didn't just meant the players that are band wagoning... Pretty much everyone actually.

BTW Lurking is always bad ##VOTE: PikaMasterJesi
 
Voting shows your opinion and puts on pressure. When people are pressured they sometimes react. This is one of the ways that we find leads. You didn't want to.
It looked like you weren't doing it, leaving the possibility that you weren't doing it at all.

You got annoyed because of a vote that didn't explicitly state it's reasoning. I see it as a scumtell.
Nope not true, I don't mind being part of discussions. I was talking about scum hunting.
At the time, whether you were scumhunting or not was part of the discussion.
Just stating the facts so people knew I wouldn't be online very often on sunday.
It's one thing to say you won't be online, it's another thing to try and make people pity you because of it.
Nah I didn't just meant the players that are band wagoning... Pretty much everyone actually.
So you're salty.
 
You're not 100% sure because there REALLY isn't much of a case. There are only some people that judge me because of my preferenced play style. It really comes down to a bunch of players that are afraid to be lynched that try to create a band wagon (including wolfs if you use common sense) To be honest I've never seen so many fooling fools together in a game! Players that do know how to play decently should definitly look into the players that voted me day 1.
• Even if there isn't much of a case on you (which I think there is, but that may be because I wrote it), your behavior isn't helping you out. You seem extremely annoyed and... condescending? I can't remember the word I'm thinking of (thinking it may be cocky), but you're not behaving in a way that will make people understand what you're trying to say.
• A bunch? Far as I'm aware, that's only me.
• Franziska von Karma much? Works in a video game, works as a joke, does not work in a game of Mafia. Just makes you look like you're AtE-ing.

Well, you really lost your touch while you were absent. Your band wagon is way too obvious!


##VOTE: Wailord_2
Bandwagons alone aren't a good reason to vote someone. I sure hope you made this vote even considering what BB said about Wailord. It can be hard to jump back in right away; he probably needs to feel things out before he can play his best again. You also forgot to unvote to place this, unless I missed something.

You don't even know what that word means. Also get a clue.
This screams "I'm cocky" so much to me, as if you're trying to put down PP's intelligence.

Just stating the facts so people knew I wouldn't be online very often on sunday.
You didn't need to AtE about it, though. (inb4 I get called a hypocrite) You can just say you weren't gonna be around, or even just not say anything about it at all. People likely wouldn't have questioned it.

Nah I didn't just meant the players that are band wagoning... Pretty much everyone actually.
Except I have tried to make a case on you, and BB has made a sort of case on Wailord. Are those bandwagons?

BTW Lurking is always bad ##VOTE: PikaMasterJesi
When lurking is just trying to make a long post while distracted?
 
I'm feeling more confident in the Robin lynch with every post he makes.
You didn't notice? I thought you were observant. Guess your not really a professor after all.

Nah I didn't just meant the players that are band wagoning... Pretty much everyone actually.
Continuing your bad attitude. Insulting people won't get you anywhere.
BTW Lurking is always bad ##VOTE: PikaMasterJesi
This is a bad excuse to avoid being called out for bandwagoning. Plenty of people "lurk." In fact, four people are "lurking" right now, including you.
 
I didn't actually know that TSM was a new player. Inferno, I could tell was, because he edited a post and refused to vote, because it would be "foolish". To be honest, it's hard for me to know exactly who is new and not, because I haven't played in over a year and a half. I know a handful of players, but otherwise I don't know what to expect from people or how they usually play.
As to why I stuck with my vote, its because there wasn't a better option at that point.
If that's why you actually stuck to the vote, then why didn't you say that in your reasoning? Rather, you tried to give more evidence to why TSM was scum.

TSM was still overreacting to suspicion on him
But here you found his panicking (e.g. his overreacting) an indication of new town. What made you change your mind?

More time had passed since my last post, and with came more discussion and more worthwhile lynch candidates. in the context in which it was made, my initial read on TSM made more sense, but as time went on, more valid concerns came up. TSM went quiet and other players made questionable decisions. The whole back and forth between Jesi and Robin really caught my attention. I feel like both of them are valid candidates for lynching.
The thing is, in the context in which it was made, people thought TSM was a good lynch. Then, later, once people had jumped off the lynch, you followed and jumped off too.

Jesi's posts have been filled with emotion and excuses. I feel like she's almost trying to play the victim? She seems desperate, but I feel like it came out of good intentions, trying to help out, but then things kind of spiraled out of control. On the other hand, Robin's posts have been few and far between. One of his first posts was saying that he wasn't going to contribute yet. Then later on he omgus'ed Jesi with little new evidence. He leaves for a while and comes back with this

This seems like he's just purposely being difficult. I understand that during Day 1, there isn't a whole lot of good evidence to go on, but posts like this don't really stimulate discussion, they just make you a target.
I feel like this post makes Robin more suspicious, until he backs up his words with actual evidence, he is the best lynch candidate

##VOTE: Robin Aisaga
This is decent scumhunting, nothing new, at least you're thinking. It might make me reconsider if it continues and improves, but right now you're my best lead.

I think this post explains well the case on Robin:
These are the points I have:
- not wanting to vote
- and not wanting to participate in Day
- voting (contradiction)

If that's all.... then this case is sooooo fishy. It's a generic case that could apply to anyone who does not particularly like Day 1, including Reinforce in this game. Robin's lynch is only useful for information, and I think that they're more likely going to flip town.

As for the Wailord case: I think that when scums want to jump on a wagon they indeed feel like justifying their vote by echoing, but townies can do that too. Same thing goes when scums try to hop off a dead wagon, only here, it is more common for scum, imo, than town to echo when they unvote. Not sure if that's the main point of your case, but it is not something I feel that is stronger than the points on Robin and Jesi.
Yeah, I'm not denying that townies and scum can both jump on wagons by echoing. Townies can do a lot of scumtells, hence why it's tricky. But I also don't think that Wailord's logic flows like a townie's should and it just doesn't sound genuine to me.

I don't think the Robin case is very strong at all, and Jesi is definitely scummy. The question is whether she's playing her scummy town meta, or if she's actually scum. We don't know her scum meta unfortunately, but I'm noticing similarities to her town meta. (Which indicates either town who hasn't improved or scum copying their old play pretty well).

I don't understand, which one is it?
Scummy town.

Robin has been acting more and more sarcastic as the day has been progressing, and to be honest, I would probably be okay with a lynch of him if there was no better choice, but I do believe Jesi is a better lynch right now, with her backpedaling, contradictions, AtE and potential slips.
##UNVOTE:
##VOTE : PIKAMASTERJESI


Why are you lurking?
Do you both not think Jesi is just her normal scummy town?

I've decided that I'm now ready to jump back in, and I've been trying to write a post. That's why I'm lurking, Camo.
Why were you V/LA? To take a breather?

Catching up with the just made posts now~
 
• Even if there isn't much of a case on you (which I think there is, but that may be because I wrote it), your behavior isn't helping you out. You seem extremely annoyed and... condescending?
You certainly sounded extremely annoyed when I pursued you, which is a much better case than Robin imo.

• Franziska von Karma much? Works in a video game, works as a joke, does not work in a game of Mafia. Just makes you look like you're AtE-ing.
Please stop... >~> Literally your entire defense to any evidence on you is AtE.

This screams "I'm cocky" so much to me, as if you're trying to put down PP's intelligence.
Is that scummy?

You didn't need to AtE about it, though. (inb4 I get called a hypocrite) You can just say you weren't gonna be around, or even just not say anything about it at all. People likely wouldn't have questioned it.
You're a hypocrite.

Continuing your bad attitude. Insulting people won't get you anywhere.
Is that scummy?

This is a bad excuse to avoid being called out for bandwagoning. Plenty of people "lurk." In fact, four people are "lurking" right now, including you.
I think you may be misusing the term 'lurk' by what it means in Mafia. Jesi was lurking scummily because they disappeared once a lot of the spotlight had moved away from them. That said, I agree with you that Robin's bandwagon just then is suspicious.
 
Do you both not think Jesi is just her normal scummy town?

Thinking "She's always scummy, so we can ignore her" is something I dislike to do. Besides, I want to believe that she's capable of reflecting over the mistakes of previous games, when they've been pointed out multiple times.

To answer your question, while I see the possibility of her simply being incredibly scummy town, I'm more confident in her lynch than any other at the moment.
 
You certainly sounded extremely annoyed when I pursued you, which is a much better case than Robin imo.
That, I was, but I feel I have a valid reason. Is it that bad to have emotions? My last post before my V/LA was going to be a lot more annoyed/ticked off than it ended up being, but I decided to try putting a rein on how what I was feeling affected my posts.

Please stop... >~> Literally your entire defense to any evidence on you is AtE.
I recognize this and I'm trying to improve. I'm still trying to learn; no one is perfect or gets everything correct right away.

Do you both not think Jesi is just her normal scummy town?
For the record, if I were to say this about myself, it'd be "Oh she's AtE-ing vote her she's scummy".
 
That, I was, but I feel I have a valid reason. Is it that bad to have emotions? My last post before my V/LA was going to be a lot more annoyed/ticked off than it ended up being, but I decided to try putting a rein on how what I was feeling affected my posts.


I recognize this and I'm trying to improve. I'm still trying to learn; no one is perfect or gets everything correct right away.
My point is that you're literally accusing Robin for the same things that you are doing yourself, and then wondering why you are getting lynched for it. Basically, if you think Robin is a good lynch, then I think you should be lynched first for doing the same things.

For the record, if I were to say this about myself, it'd be "Oh she's AtE-ing vote her she's scummy".
If you want to improve, then a good start would be to stop basing your actions on whether or not doing something will make you look scummy.
 
Thinking "She's always scummy, so we can ignore her" is something I dislike to do. Besides, I want to believe that she's capable of reflecting over the mistakes of previous games, when they've been pointed out multiple times.

I'm definitely not going to ignore her and if it fails to improve, I'm up for her lynch.
 
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