Finished Mafia XXXVII: Celever's School Grades ~ Game Over!

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It doesn't matter if the host gives safe claims... it makes robins claim stronger. Unless robins ability is worded in a way that implies it gives safe claim results then the results robin gains from Celever are more trustworthy than the person being accused because PP most likely has the safe claim since Robin has allegedly posted host given results
Or Robin is scum and changed PP's Ability slightly, which is entirely plausible.
 
Mason= players that knows each other's alignment (both town) by definition. Neighbors do not. It just doesn't make sense. After all, what's the difference between a mason and a neighbor? Or am I missing something?

Technically, yes. However, "Mason" has referred to groups that include a mole on PB on multiple occasions.

@Celever doesn't know the difference between neighbours and masons.
Celever has acknowledged that Neighbours and Masons are different but Masons are used universally on PB, if I recall correctly.

Anyways, this a mess.

- Professor P breadcrumbs having a gay role.
- PMJ notices the hint and pulls PP up on it
- Professor P explains his role can search for and set up QTs between multiple gay roles, and assumes one of these will be scum
- Robin suddenly reveals information claiming one of Professor P's Abilities
- Professor P claims that Robin's claim is false

I'm also operating by the assumption that Celever gave safe safeclaims to scum, because that's what should have happened.

@Professor Palutena
Here. Are you saying that Celever amended your role by PM in the last hour or so? Or is this what you were sent initially in your role?
 
It doesn't matter if the host gives safe claims... it makes robins claim stronger. Unless robins ability is worded in a way that implies it gives safe claim results then the results robin gains from Celever are more trustworthy than the person being accused because PP most likely has the safe claim since Robin has allegedly posted host given results
Or Robin is scum and changed PP's Ability slightly, which is entirely plausible.
Actually, [Future reference.] because you appear to fairly certain that Robin is town. How strange.
 
The host gives safeclaims though...

But that doesn't matter in this situation? Either it's a safe claim (making him scum), or it's his scummy ability (still making him scum).

Well ain't this just peachy. This is what Celever sent me.

Active: Gaydar
The performing arts are a stereotypically “gay” activity, and though stereotypes are usually totally wrong, in this case you really are fabulous. Being gay in school is a minefield, and you’ve been separated from the only other gay in school! Every night, including night 0, until you find your partner, please PM Celever “Night X -- Ask [user1] if they’re gay”. If you correctly identify your partner, a mason chat will be initiated between you. Your partner may be a part of the mafia team, however.

##UNVOTE: scattered mind
##VOTE: Professor Palutena


Look into Robin tomorrow if (read: when) my flip doesn't match his quote because I have suspicions that he's the other gay role, and thus mafia aligned. This is the best lynch for getting info.

This role is dumb as hell and I'll be glad to be rid of it.

Hmm.. Okay, the way I see it: Either Robin changed the wording of the ability to make PP look scummier, thus making Robin scum, or there's two players with the Gaydar ability, and Robin happened to get the other player's ability which states that the partner will be scum, thus making PP scum.
 
But that doesn't matter in this situation? Either it's a safe claim (making him scum), or it's his scummy ability (still making him scum).

Sorry, yeah, you're right there.

I'm actually just wanting to ignore all this so bad. Dx"
 
If Robin is the best lynch for getting info, then why not lynch Robin? Voting for yourself is most unhelpful unless your role is actually detrimental, and from my understanding, it is not.
Town!PP always crumbles under pressure and self-votes out of anger at his inability to play this game on the defensive. Case and point being Dimensional Shift and Interspectaculars.

Scum!PP plays it all cool because he's got buddies that can help him talk his way out of it. Case and point being Team GR or Grima's Rebirth. Scum!PP tends to live a lot longer too.

Oh look, it's the meta card we talked about earlier. Only it probably doesn't count because I'm bringing it up about myself.

I have no idea what to do in this situation because every way out puts me further into the corner, hence the vote for myself because it's really just delaying the inevitable by going any other way. Voting Robin after that is nothing more than an OMGUS which puts more rope around my neck.

Then how is that sentence logical?
@Celever doesn't know the difference between neighbours and masons.
This. I was just as confused as you were until I asked him.
 
I have no idea what to do in this situation because every way out puts me further into the corner, hence the vote for myself because it's really just delaying the inevitable by going any other way. Voting Robin after that is nothing more than an OMGUS which puts more rope around my neck.
If you're town, play town and stop worrying about what people will think of you, because it's not going to help your wincon. (It's actually more helpful for town when you don't self vote.)

This. I was just as confused as you were until I asked him.
And he said?
 
Town!PP always crumbles under pressure and self-votes out of anger at his inability to play this game on the defensive. Case and point being Dimensional Shift and Interspectaculars.

Scum!PP plays it all cool because he's got buddies that can help him talk his way out of it. Case and point being Team GR or Grima's Rebirth. Scum!PP tends to live a lot longer too.

I am pretty sure that in one game, you were scum and gave up, voting for yourself and then PMJ gave up too.
Also, why did you assume about having more than one neighbor? Your role is pretty clear in that you have only one person to find.

I think this is the only thing that holds me from deciding on who to vote for, Robin or you.
 
Actually, [Future reference.] because you appear to fairly certain that Robin is town. How strange.
No I'm not fairly certain that he's town, I just think robin would be dumb to change the wording from Celever because as soon as pp is lynched and the wording doesn't match up Robin will do quickly turbod tomorrow that it would be dumb.

Scum wouldn't be that dumb to trade off 1 townie for 1 scum? That's silly.

Think about it!
 
Due to the discrepancies with both claims, 0ne of theM is surely scum, it doesn't add up otherwise for both to be town.

Because Robin is the one claiming results from the host that don't match up with a role claim by a player who could easily have a safe claim, I'm going to be more trusting of Robin.

Obviously if Robin faked it all then he's gonna be lynched so quick tomorrow.
 
Lynch Robin tomorrow if pp flips town.
 
Well, I wasn't expecting all this to happen while I was asleep.

Robin's defense for the act makes sense to me, I trust him that it was a new playstyle and not just him getting really defensive. It still doesn't quite explain why he disappeared for a time until he was voted again, but he's not as scummy. ##Unvote
Yep, that's my role.
Look into Robin tomorrow if (read: when) my flip doesn't match his quote because I have suspicions that he's the other gay role, and thus mafia aligned. This is the best lynch for getting info.
So first you say that that ability is yours and then you say that it isn't? These were an hour apart, in that time people started voting you and then after that hour had passed you posted a different ability. It looks to me like you claimed the ability, realized you were under fire, and then to cause confusion you posted a similar but slightly different ability as well as to hopefully get Robin lynched instead.

So I'm going to ##Vote: Professor Palutena
 
Oh, ok. I think that
No I'm not fairly certain that he's town, I just think robin would be dumb to change the wording from Celever because as soon as pp is lynched and the wording doesn't match up Robin will do quickly turbod tomorrow that it would be dumb.

Scum wouldn't be that dumb to trade off 1 townie for 1 scum? That's silly.

Think about it!

Yeah. That makes sense. I think PP gave up on this game so he is not likely to be here answering my question.

##VOTE:professor Palutena
 
Shouldn't it be scummier that Robin has an ability which can receive abilities like this? Think about this. Why would town be able to access this? It could be a seer, but I trust Robin would be smart enough to not use it right away, and besides, it likely couldn't be used N0 anyways.

Will move my vote when I get to my laptop.
 
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