K here's scattered mind's ISO.
First thing I want to point out is that he hasn't voted at all today, despite all the posting he's done. Think of that what you will, but I find it suspicious with how much he's talked about stuff. I actually had to check the vote count on page 18 to make sure I didn't miss any posts.
scattered mind has also rarely offered his opinions and stances on today's events. Instead, he's been trying to prod more info out of people, which feigns participation in my opinion. This can be seen through
Wasn't your case on him that he unvoted everytime you called him for bandwagoning?
You said you read him as town because of bandwagoning, which may not be common on new scum players, so your point about him unvoting after being called out is nothing?
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Ok, although I don't think it is true in TAE's case. It looks to me that he kinda knows what he's doing.
So you mean that you are not going to scumhunt at all ? You just wait for a case, and if there is no case that you like, then you simply do nothing?
scattered mind said:
@PikaMasterJesi - What do you think about the points on Robin?
Why is that? You were very confident he is scummy.
I don't understand, which one is it?
Can you explain the contradiction?
This wall of quotes is a collection of sm's oneliners. It's barely anything.
While all of this questioning is fine, there's something missing here that I find quite interesting. Like I alluded to above, sm hasn't offered his thoughts on the game yet, yet he's highly fascinated by what other players think. This reads to me like he's afraid of participating, and instead is more interested in what everyone else thinks. It's like he's trying to hide.
Ok, wow Jesi, you said you are going to wait for Wailord to answer, but then you vote after someone else voted? And then you unvote because everyone else unvoted? This is the same scummy behavior you had that almost got me lynched last game. I am saying this in the nicest way : Stop mindlessly bandwagoning. I promise you, it's a lot more fun to play with critical thinking. Or just thinking. The fact that you act the same like when you were town is not going to hold water forever, so stop saying I will learn (noticed how you pull that sentense the first time in this game after I said that is what you used to say last game) and AtE. I am going to read the last game you have played because I am pretty sure you did improve during the game.
@TheSceptileMaster - Are you going to answer my question?
This doesn't fit with the one liners in terms of length, but it's the same general thing. This is classic sm commentating on someone else's actions, which is what he's done in the above quotes. He's yet to actually say anything of substance, because he's so focused on Jesi's play comparing it from last game.
Jesi's acting very similar to how she acted in the last game she'd played. However, I expect her to learn from her mistakes (e.g stating that the RVS is over, which is exactly what happened last game she played and she was also called for it), especially after almost every time someone accused her she said she will learn for the next time. So this might be her trying to act like she played last game as town, and use ATE ("I always end up looking scummy").
So we have thoughts on the game finally, but I really don't know how to read it. It's so entrenched in the last game that I don't feel confident in calling it his thoughts on the current game. With the above post, I really want to know why sm is so concerned about Jesi's meta.
FYI, the quote above where he asks Jesi about the points on Robin is from here. I moved it up there because it better fit, but that's why it's link won't work up there.
I think this post explains well the case on Robin:
As for the Wailord case: I think that when scums want to jump on a wagon they indeed feel like justifying their vote by echoing, but townies can do that too. Same thing goes when scums try to hop off a dead wagon, only here, it is more common for scum, imo, than town to echo when they unvote. Not sure if that's the main point of your case, but it is not something I feel that is stronger than the points on Robin and Jesi.
This is SM trying to explain the game to someone, and it's finally his thoughts on the current game. It only took 15 posts!! We finally learn that he's leaning towards Robin and Jesi, but not Wailord. And apparently the cases aren't strong enough for him to vote on them, which is odd as I've stated above.
I can think of many reasons as to why a town player would need to know about their neighbors. You just had an example last game with Keeper and the vote weight he got with each QT. In fact, the only reason I think someone would use that as a main point in a case, is a scum trying really wisely to role fish.
FOS on all of the above for role fishing in one way or another.
You are speculating about indies more than a town person should .. Why are you so interested if there is an indie or not? What's make you think Robin is indie and not just scum? How can you tell?
It's like this whole page has a magical thing that makes people talk nothing but their roles..
The question about indies fits into the questioning oneliners. sm really seems to care about what other people are saying.
And now we have sm concerned about role fishing. It's like we get close to thinking what he thinks, but isn't actually willing to say anything. Why so overly cautious?
That point was to show that the fact you went V/LA does not indicate that you are scum, since you did it last game, as well other points that I included that we cannot infer that they are you being yourself or being scum copying your town self.
Then you contradicted yourself. If everyone should share their thoughts, they should not be afraid of getting lynched, as you say- in general. If this game you are doing something against what you as town said in another game, it is scummy. Don't you agree?
When you take away the one liners and barrage of questioning, sm is very narrowly focused on Jesi. I don't think that's inarguable given that it's the only name he's repeatedly mentioned.
So, tl; dr version of the sm case:
- hasn't voted yet; you guys know my philosophy on voting by now and why I find this so problematic
- the lack of a vote is especially peculiar when it comes to how much he's posted today
- a barrage of one liners that are just prods trying to poke info out of people; these are so close to fluff that I struggle to call them participation
- when you take away the one liners, you have solid Jesi tunneling that is especially focused on her play in the last game
- I didn't mention it in the ISO, but his posts reek of Devil's Advocate. This is especially true with the one liners.
Right now I'm conflicted with my vote. I like both cases on Robin and scattered. Robin has been fairly scummy all day and has been very obvious about it. sm hasn't been directly as scummy (in terms of being in your face about it), but I have to award scum points for how he's been hiding it. I'll keep my vote on Robin for now for the sake of getting a lynch in today as I don't know if we have time to entirely jump ship on sm, but I'm entirely willing to do so if the situation arises.
I have some vital knowledge you ought to wait for. Do you really think I would go around insulting people without some kind of back up?
