Finished Mafia XXXVII: Celever's School Grades ~ Game Over!

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There he is. I figured you'd show up after I made a vote. I'm pretty sure currently Robin is in the lead but it's hard to know without a vote count.
 
scattered mind said:
You are speculating about indies more than a town person should .. Why are you so interested if there is an indie or not? What's make you think Robin is indie and not just scum? How can you tell?





It's like this whole page has a magical thing that makes people talk nothing but their roles..
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simsands said:
You're just keeping your vote on an old wagon, you're not actually engaging in it. Am I wrong? Would you not consider your behavior tunneling?



I would like to hear TAE's response to this as well. I believe he was speculating about it earlier during the day, as well. TAE, why do you seem more interested in finding indies rather than finding scum?
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I was looking through the players' posts earlier and could not find anything else to contribute to the discussion. Rather than not posting, I figured I'd post something at least.

I don't know why knowing a third party is bad thing, you can get them to side with you, not waste a lynch on them etc? (or I played games in the past (not on beach) where 3rd Parties are evil so... in a way it does help?
 
^ Oh also, forgot to answer the other part.

Prior to his camoclone post, Robin was acting wayyyyyy to scummy to be scum. If he did flip scum, I would be really surprised because he essentially painted a target on his own back which is not what experienced scum would do.
 
These are the majority of Camoclone's posts, the ones listed are his votes and reasoning. [His other posts are asking people questions]

As you see, all his votes are short and does not have much reasoning. I'm not sure if that's his playing style or something else, but that's what I am noticing.

The really interesting thing is that some people require detailed explanations of votes, and then we just have Camoclone here with his votes that are basically "oh I agree, let me vote that person" or really vague and unclear reasoning. But it's obviously clear that Camoclone is jumping on and off people's wagons constantly, as Robin pointed out earlier.

Camoclone said:
##UNVOTE:
##VOTE: DOUBLE O SQUIRTLE

Already such a promising lead so early into the game. You've outdone yourself.
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Camoclone said:
##UNVOTE:
##VOTE: ROBIN AISAGA
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Camoclone said:
It should be pretty obvious why I'm voting you.
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Camoclone said:
##UNVOTE:
##VOTE : PIKAMASTERJESI


Why are you lurking?
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Camoclone said:
##UNVOTE:
##VOTE: Wailord_2
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Camoclone said:
That's because it wasn't a very strong point but it's good that he is looking for things like that.
##UNVOTE:
##VOTE: PikaMasterJesi
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Camoclone said:
#UNVOTE:
#VOTE: ROBIN AISAGA
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I'm not going to explain any of my previous votes but I'll explain my current one if you want. My time is valuable so if for whatever reason you don't understand the case against Robin I can simplify it for you.
 
scattered mind said:
That point was to show that the fact you went V/LA does not indicate that you are scum, since you did it last game, as well other points that I included that we cannot infer that they are you being yourself or being scum copying your town self.
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Oh, never realized that; thought you were trying to add to my case with that. Whoops. :p

scattered mind said:
Then you contradicted yourself. If everyone should share their thoughts, they should not be afraid of getting lynched, as you say- in general. If this game you are doing something against what you as town said in another game, it is scummy. Don't you agree?
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I can agree with that, yeah. After hosting, I just want to be able to play further than Day 1, which is why I don't wanna be lynched.

Camoclone said:
#UNVOTE:
#VOTE: ROBIN AISAGA
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Robin Aisaga said:
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Camoclone
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Yet another OMGUS-like vote, but this one does have some good reasoning to it. Camo has barely said anything amounting to more than three separate rows of text this game.

TheAnticipationEevee said:
Two words to describe camoclone's responses: Vague and Short
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That's how they usually are, unless he does an ISO.
 
Votecount

TheSceptileMaster (0) -- Camoclone [#55 ~ #71], bbninjas [#75 ~ #110], TheAnticipationEevee [#100 ~ #132], PikaMasterJesi [#104 ~ #191], TheAnticipationEevee [#105 ~ #132], Wailord_2 [#108 ~ #220]
Robin Aisaga (3) -- PikaMasterJesi [#56 ~ #65], Camoclone [#163 ~ #260], Professor Palutena [#164], TheAnticipationEevee [#170 ~ #190], PikaMasterJesi [#191 ~ #288], NinjaPenguin [#225 ~ #285], Wailord_2 [#236], Camoclone [#336]
Inferno390 (0) -- double o squirtle [#57 ~ #156], Ice Espeon [#58 ~ #59], PikaMasterJesi [#65 ~ #69], PikaMasterJesi [#76 ~ #104], TheSceptileMaster [#79 ~ #89], TheAnticipationEevee [#84 ~ #87]
Ice Espeon (0) -- NinjaPenguin [#64 ~ #160]
bbninjas (0) -- PikaMasterJesi [#69 ~ #76], TheSceptileMaster [#96 ~ #246]
double o squirtle (0) -- Camoclone [#71 ~ #163], TheSceptileMaster [#72 ~ #79], Inferno390 [#74]
PikaMasterJesi (5) -- bbninjas [#110 ~ #202], TheAnticipationEevee [#132 ~ #170], simsands [#153], double o squirtle [#181], Squirtle Squad [#196], Robin Aisaga [#197 ~ #244], TheSceptileMaster [#246], Camoclone [#260 ~ #287], Robin Aisaga [#263 ~ 264], Robin Aisaga [#264 ~ #338], Camoclone [#291 ~ #336] L-4
Squirtle Squad (1) -- Professor Palutena [#139 ~ #164], Ice Espeon [#300]
TheAnticipationEevee (0) -- double o squirtle [#156 ~ #157], NinjaPenguin [#160 ~ #225]
Reinforce (0) -- TheAnticipationEevee [#226 ~ #240]
Wailord_2 (0) -- bbninjas [#232 ~ #308], Robin Aisaga [#244 ~ #263], NinjaPenguin [#285 ~ #299], Camoclone [#287 ~ #291], PikaMasterJesi [#288 ~ #292]
Professor Palutena (2) -- PMJ [#304], bbninjas [#308]
Camoclone (1) -- Robin Aisaga [#338]

All vote manipulation is showed in the little vote tallies next to each player's name. You can still confirm that I haven't failed at adding up if you want, but just because there's x names and y tally, doesn't mean it's wrong :p
PikaMasterJesi said:
Is this correct? If not, we can confirm that one of Simsands, DOS, SS, and Robin have a double vote weight. I don't think Celever would add Spark Brushel/Emily Quartam again.
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Sorry, I missed this. If you ask me something then if you tag me it'll definitely get a response, but anyway, that vote was correct. :p
 
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Please don't hammer me while i'm asleep :p I have some vital knowledge you ought to wait for. Do you really think I would go around insulting people without some kind of back up?
 
Robin Aisaga said:
Please don't hammer me while i'm asleep :p I have some vital knowledge you ought to wait for. Do you really think I would go around insulting people without some kind of back up?
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I would really appreciate if you don't insult people at all, whether you have "backup" or not.

PMJ said:
But no one said Jesi's wagon was a bad idea until I just said it was. And only bb said we should drop it. That's hardly "most of us." You're trying too hard to look town.
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simsands said:
You're just keeping your vote on an old wagon, you're not actually engaging in it. Am I wrong? Would you not consider your behavior tunneling?
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@Professor Palutena - In case you miss those questions.

Also, @TheSceptileMaster - You may get away from answering my question for D1, but you can bet it would be a lot harder D2.
 
Celever said:
Votecount

TheSceptileMaster (0) -- Camoclone [#55 ~ #71], bbninjas [#75 ~ #110], TheAnticipationEevee [#100 ~ #132], PikaMasterJesi [#104 ~ #191], TheAnticipationEevee [#105 ~ #132], Wailord_2 [#108 ~ #220]
Robin Aisaga (3) -- PikaMasterJesi [#56 ~ #65], Camoclone [#163 ~ #260], Professor Palutena [#164], TheAnticipationEevee [#170 ~ #190], PikaMasterJesi [#191 ~ #288], NinjaPenguin [#225 ~ #285], Wailord_2 [#236], Camoclone [#336]
Inferno390 (0) -- double o squirtle [#57 ~ #156], Ice Espeon [#58 ~ #59], PikaMasterJesi [#65 ~ #69], PikaMasterJesi [#76 ~ #104], TheSceptileMaster [#79 ~ #89], TheAnticipationEevee [#84 ~ #87]
Ice Espeon (0) -- NinjaPenguin [#64 ~ #160]
bbninjas (0) -- PikaMasterJesi [#69 ~ #76], TheSceptileMaster [#96 ~ #246]
double o squirtle (0) -- Camoclone [#71 ~ #163], TheSceptileMaster [#72 ~ #79], Inferno390 [#74]
PikaMasterJesi (4) -- bbninjas [#110 ~ #202], TheAnticipationEevee [#132 ~ #170], simsands [#153], double o squirtle [#181], Squirtle Squad [#196], Robin Aisaga [#197 ~ #244], Camoclone [#260 ~ #287], Robin Aisaga [#263 ~ 264], Robin Aisaga [#264 ~ #338], Camoclone [#291 ~ #336] L-5
Squirtle Squad (1) -- Professor Palutena [#139 ~ #164], Ice Espeon [#300]
TheAnticipationEevee (0) -- double o squirtle [#156 ~ #157], NinjaPenguin [#160 ~ #225]
Reinforce (0) -- TheAnticipationEevee [#226 ~ #240]
Wailord_2 (1) -- bbninjas [#232 ~ #308], Robin Aisaga [#244 ~ #263], TheSceptileMaster [#246], NinjaPenguin [#285 ~ #299], Camoclone [#287 ~ #291], PikaMasterJesi [#288 ~ #292]
Professor Palutena (1) -- PMJ [#304]
Camoclone (1) -- Robin Aisaga [#338]

All vote manipulation is showed in the little vote tallies next to each player's name. You can still confirm that I haven't failed at adding up if you want, but just because there's x names and y tally, doesn't mean it's wrong :p

Sorry, I missed this. If you ask me something then if you tag me it'll definitely get a response, but anyway, that vote was correct. :p
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It says that TSM voted Wailord but in that post he voted Jesi:

TheSceptileMaster said:
I think that PikaMasterJesi needing a V/LA looks like she doesn't want to talk and

shows that she is contradicting


##UNVOTE

##VOTE:pikaMasterJesi
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Celever said:
Wailord_2 (1) -- bbninjas [#232 ~ #308],
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Also- post 308, bb voted PP:
bbninjas said:
SS is suss, sure, but I don't think there is enough evidence on him for a Day 1 lynch. IE's case is weak, because it's the minor, standard SS stuff that he keeps getting mislynched for on Day 1 or Day 2 the game before because he's such an easy lynch. I'd actually like to give him a chance to play the game. xD

I've been reading Professor P scummy for a while now, though haven't been particularly confident with that read, so it's nice to see I'm not the only one to pick up on it. His tunneling is the thing that pinged my scumdar; it feels forced. Reading what PMJ pointed out, it reminds me a lot of PP's scum play in the Team GR game.

@Ice Espeon, if you found wailord scummy, why haven't you followed through and instead made a case on someone entirely different?

Anyways, doesn't look like people are really following through with the Wailord_2 case, so I'm going to hop into the PP one: ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Professor P

Also those on the Jesi wagon need to leave her alone, because we will have plenty of time to properly figure out her alignment in future Days.
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