Osama Bin Laden is dead.

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Darkvoid57 said:
A religion that promises women beyond counting in Heaven for mass murder probably doesn't hate you too much for killing your brother.
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Darkvoid57 said:
That's why the suicide bombers crashed into those landmarks on 9/11. Because their religion promised them countless women and riches in Heaven.
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You're making it sound like the religion itself is at fault.

I'm pretty sure that whole women and riches thing applies to anyone who scores a ticket to heaven on the grounds of martrydom, NOT to anyone who crashes planes. Are you a martyr if you crash a plane and come up with some martyr-like screwy explanation to justify so? Of course not.

I mean... the problem was that the terrorists assumed they would go to heaven for commiting such an atrocity. There's nothing wrong with the religion itself.



kashmaster said:
Wow, some of the stuff I'm reading on this thread is extremely offensive. I don't understand why some people are suggesting that Islam rewards terrorism with countless women in heaven. That sickens me that said people have been corrupted by the media. I'm Muslim myself and I'm quite upset people still stereotype towards Islam.
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Well it's part corruption and part stupidity on the part of the people. In some ways its the terrorists fault because of the excuses they come up with to justify their actions (like "jihad") and in other ways it's people being stupid and making generalising assumptions about stuff they know nothing about (which is why so many people out there simply think Jihad equals scary terrorism attacks, they dont even bother to Wiki or Google what the word really means)


The Power of Three said:
It is hard to forgive Card Slinger J, but it's the right thing to do. If we go around celebrating that Bin Laden is dead, and waltz around town with his head on a pointy stick going "weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee USA USA USA", we're no better off than they are. They were happy when we died in terrorist attacks. Us celebrating because of the fact that we shot them is no better. Forgive and forget. Now I doubt we can actually FORGET anything that happened, but forgiveness is an option, and it's what we should be doing.
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Ya but that's just one point of view. It's not an absolute right or wrong.

A loose analogy, when some of my friends ace an exam, they go "weeeeeeeeeeee" and party hard. I don't do that when I ace an exam. It's not 1 side being right and the other being wrong, its just 2 different ways of reacting to the same thing.

Being able to forgive anything is an ideal. In reality, there is never an ideal scenario. Why else do people say "to forgive is divine" rather than "to forgive is human"? Because you don't see divine people all around you.
 
Juliacoolo said:
I bet 99 or more percent of us have no family or close friends affected by his acts. Even that one % shouldn't be celebrating, but I can understand why their emotions should have done more.

Take any "Horrible" person from world history. Stalin Hitler Bush anyone. They did horrible horrible things, but their death is a death. A loss of life. A fellow human being who had feelings and thoughts and loved ones. A death should never be celebrated, as it shows ignorance, rudeness, and lack of self-thinking. One of the worst things you can do in life is do whatever people tell you. Think for your self. We all have brains to do so, and everyone was created equally to do as we chose.

Not to mention the media is one of the worst to follow if you are gonna mime someone ^_^
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I really don't know. Like you said, 99% wasn't affected by his acts, so I think we shouldn't have the right to tell people how to react when the person who killed their family or friends has been killed. Now I agree with you that celebrating his death is wrong, but I'm not going to ridicule someone for doing so, because I've never experience what they are going through, and I can't say if I would act differently.
 
Jihad won't be the same thing as a terrorist attack, those are totally different things. Terrorist attacks are (obviously) intended to induce terror. Jihad is a war which can be started for many different reasons. Jihad could be the result of a terrorist attack though.

Anyways, I for one am glad that Bin Laden is dead. Finally we get some justice.
 
Murder, now = Justice.


Sort of, but does it really? Somebody else, killed somebody, who never physically killed anybody.

That's justice?

Kill-to kill- To cause the death of (Person, animal, thing)

Osama technically didn't kill anyone. He made the plans, and authorized them, but never took anyones life.
 
Dark. He's a murderer. Even if he didn't do the deed. He's still a mass-murderer. Think of it this way. An assassain is not a murderer. The one who hired him is. Osama is a murderer, like it or not.
 
Darkvoid57 said:
Osama technically didn't kill anyone. He made the plans, and authorized them, but never took anyones life.
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So you're saying that if I plan to kill a large group of people, I can just have someone else do it and I won't get charged?

Sorry, the justice system just doesn't work like that. Even if we didn't kill Osama, he would be trialed and sentenced to death by hanging / lethal injection / firing squad / electric chair. The only difference is we get a heroic feeling when we get the job done ourselves.

I love that they killed him right then and there. A man as evil as that doesn't deserve to live longer while he goes on trial. Like I said before, there is no difference; he would've died ether way.
 
Darkvoid57 said:
Even if he didn't do the deed. He's still a mass-murderer.
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Paradox much?
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You don't understand.

Here's a current example; Muammar Gaddafi didn't physically kill his people himself. He had people do it for him. Does that make the men who fight for him murderers? No. They're just doing Gaddafi's orders.
 
Actually, I believe it is wrong both ways. If you plan the deed or are just following orders for something you know is wrong, you can be punished. It is better to not follow orders than commit a crime.
 
Yes, Hyperbeem, while that is true, there are key factors which leaders use:
  • Propaganda. During WWII, the USA used Pearl Harbor as their reason to continue. It gave people hope.
  • Nationalism. People who support their country way too much. This probably happens in every war to date.
  • Force. Military drafts are a prime example of this.
  • Promises. "If we beat this country, we will gain more supplies.", "If we win this war, we will be the most powerful county on the planet.", etc.
  • Taking advantage. Hitler took advantage of his people after WWI by making them remember and seek revenge/expand empire.
I'm sure I have that about right.
 
I offer my condolences to the Bin Laden family.

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I feel that it's very strange that in school, we just started studying Islam and the day after we started the chapter, Osama bin Laden (sp?) died. Weird, yes?
 
I'm not happy he DIED, I'm just happy that we made a dent in the terrorist group. Ok, maybe I am happy that he died. Don't get me wrong, though. I don't celebrate when people die. I'm happy he died because he murdered countless people, even if it was indirectly.
 
^And now that we have him. What do you suppose will happen next?
Obviously, everything won't be bright and dandy.
How will this butterfly affect the chain? if anyone gets the reference...
Are things going to get better? Or worse?
 
Guys the reason everyone around the world is celebrating is because he was the #1 hated man on the face of this earth. Everyone hated him and they are very thankful that he is gone. On the other hand I am happy that he is gone but I am not celebrating like a mad man though. Sure he was pure evil but it is no real reason to celebrate XD. Remember he was just an icon for Alchada and that's it. He was just the one who was the hit man. There was also one thing you guys probably did not know but on 9/10/01 he had dinner with President Bush and him and the Bush family had been working for years and as some of you guys may not know is the Bush family is nothing but crooks and with them working with Bin Laden over the years he decided to attack our Country the next day. So yeah that gives people reason to celebrate. If you guys had known 20 years ago about the Bush family you would know what kind of crooks and middle east crooks that were working for them.:)
 
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