PokéBeach Official TCG Tier List

What Tier do you guys think CMT Should be?

  • Tier 1

    Votes: 10 34.5%

  • Tier 1.5

    Votes: 19 65.5%
  • Total voters
    29
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Nigel

Nigel

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If anyone disagrees with a placement on this list or thinks something should be included, feel free to post here.​

Tier 1:
ZekEel
Darkrai

Tier 1.5:
MTC
Mono Fighting

Tier 2:
Klinklang
Empoleon
Vileplume variants
Quad Entei
Durant
Tornadus/Terrakion/Mewtwo​

This list is for new and returning players to the game to use to see what is meta at the moment. This list could also be a good source of seeing what to test against for semi-competitive players, and below I will be including decklists for all the decks above.

Zekrom/Eelektrik:
4-3 Eelektrik
2 Zekrom
2 Terrakion
2 Smeargle
2 Mewtwo EX
1 Shaymin

Energy (12):
8 Electric
4 Fighting

Trainers (32):
4 Professor Oak's New Theory
4 Junk Arm
3 N
3 Level Ball
3 Professor Juniper
3 Pokemon Catcher
2 Eviolite
2 Pluspower
2 Switch
2 Dual Ball
1 Skyarrow Bridge
1 Super Rod
1 Random Receiver
1 Energy Search

Darkrai Varients (below is a Darkrai/Tornadus list):
3 Darkrai-EX
2 Tornadus-EX
2 Smeargle UD

3 Skyarrow Bridge
4 Switch
4 Dark Patch
3 Ultra Ball
4 Junk Arm
4 Victory Medal
4 N
4 PONT
4 Super Scoop Up
4 Professor Juniper
2 PlusPower

9 Darkness Energy (Basic)
4 DCE

MTC:
4 Celebi Prime
3 Mewtwo-EX
1 Tornadus-EX
2 Smeargle
1 Tornadus
1 Regigigas-EX

4 Switch
3 Skyarrow Bridge
4 PONT
4 Juniper
4 N
2 Random Receiver
3 PlusPower
2 Eviolite
4 Pokemon Catcher
4 Junk Arm

10 Grass Energy
4 DCE

Mono-Terrakion:
4 Terrakion (NV 99)


4 Exp Share (ND 87)
4 Switch (BW 104)
4 Professor Oak's New Theory (HGSS 101)
4 Professor Juniper (BW 101)
4 PlusPower (BW 96)
4 Junk Arm (TR 87)
2 Lost Remover (CL 80)
4 N (NV 101)
3 Revive (BW 102)
3 Heavy Ball (ND 88)
2 Random Receiver (DE 99)
4 Pokemon Catcher (DE 111)
1 Eviolite (NV 91)


12 Fighting Energy (BW 110)
1 Rescue Energy (TR 90)

Durant:
4 Durant NV
1 Rotom UD

4 Collector
3 Level Ball
4 Twins
3 Juniper
3 PONT
2 N
2 PokeGear 3.0
4 Revive
4 Lost Remover
3 Crushing Hammer
2 Pokemon Catcher
1 Switch
1 Black Belt
4 Junk Arm
3 Eviolite

2 Prism Energy
4 Special Metal
4 Basic Metal

Klingklang varients:
4-2-3 Klingklang BW
2 Darkrai-EX
2 Mewtwo-EX
1 Terrakion NV
1 Groudon-EX
1 Cobalion NV

3 Max Potion
4 Junk Arm
3 Pokemon Catcher
4 N
4 Twins
3 Rare Candy
2 Heavy Ball
4 PONT
2 Professor Juniper
2 Eviolite
2 Dual Ball

4 Prism Energy
4 Rainbow Energy
3 Basic Metal Energy

Mono-Entei:
4 Entei-EX
2 Smeargle UD

4 EXP Share
4 Pokemon Catcher
4 Junk Arm
4 PONT
4 Professor Juniper
3 N
2 Random Receiver
2 PlusPower
2 Defender
4 Potion
3 Skyarrow Bridge
3 Switch
3 SSU

12 Fire Energy

Tornadus/Terrakion/Mewtwo:
2 Mewtwo-EX
3 Tornadus
3 Terrakion
1 Tornadus-EX
2 Smeargle UD

4 EXP Share
4 Pokemon Catcher
4 Junk Arm
3 Dual Ball
4 PONT
4 Professor Juniper
3 Skyarrow Bridge
3 Switch
2 PlusPower
2 Defender
3 N

9 Fighting Energy
4 DCE

An example of a Vileplume list:
4-4 Accelgor
4-1-3 Vileplume UD
3-3 Sunflora GS
3 Celebi Prime

3 Rare Candy
4 Pokemon Communication
4 PONT
2 N
4 Professor Juniper
4 Pokemon Collector

4 DCE
10 Grass Energy

Empoleon/Terrakion:
Pokemon (13):
4-1-4 Empoleon
3 Terrakion
1 Shaymin

Energy (12):
8 Water
4 Fighting

Trainers (35):
4 Professor Oak's New Theory
4 Rare Candy
4 Pokemon Collector
3 N
3 Pokemon Catcher
2 Professor Juniper
2 Dual Ball
2 Switch
2 Pluspower
2 Ultra Ball
2 EXP Share
1 Super Rod
1 Random Receiver
2 Max Potion
1 Pokemon Communication
 
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List

That Zeels list is badbadbad.
Tier 1:
Darkrai
Zeels
CMT
Tier 2:
Empoleon
Fighting Variants
Klinklang EX
Paralysis Lock

That's my perspective.

I will edit in my reasons later; I have to go now.
 
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List

IMO, Quad Entei should be up there in Tier 2 and MTC should be moved down to Tier 1.5. MTC is still a GREAT deck, but it isn't as good as Zekeels or Darkrai, as a smart player can easily take down MTC.

Also, from the Zekeels I have seen, most don't run, or barely run Thundurus. I think 1 or 2 is better than 3. I suggest another Shaymin, as many lists run that.

In the Empoleon List, I don't see the need for Noctowl when you already have Empoleon. The lists I have seen include Virizion NV for T1 draw.

Mono-Terrakion usually doesn't run Victory Medal or Defender, but with the space I guess those spots are personal preference.

Oh yeah, and LandoTerrakion should be included as Tier 1.5 or 1. It is the fastest fighting varient and arguably the best one out there.
Edit: NVM i saw it said Terrakion varients.
 
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List

6 Corners is on the list, but not Quad Entei?
 
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List

Infinity said:
That Zeels list is badbadbad.
Tier 1:
Darkrai
Zeels
CMT
Tier 2:
Empoleon
Fighting Variants
Klinklang EX
Paralysis Lock

That's my perspective.

I will edit in my reasons later; I have to go now.
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Just saying a list is bad isn't constructive criticism. Klingklang-EX hasn't received enough success to be even considered to be in a tier, and Fighting varients have received more success than that and are going to become increasingly popular for Nationals due to the success of Darkrai varients and Eels varients.


Hope said:
Looking again, 6 Corners is on the list, but not Quad Entei?
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A 6 Corners varient managed to Top 4 (I think?) in the Dutch Nats, where a lot of the best players happen to be.
 
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List

You're saying that Klinklang hasn't received enough success, but you praise 6 Corners because it got T4 at one Nats? It gets destroyed by Darkrai/Hammers, which is the most popular Darkrai variant.
 
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List

Nigel said:
Klingklang-EX hasn't received enough success to be even considered to be in a tier
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If you're basing this off of tournament wins, then Klinklang (and I guess Quad Entei as well) has more wins and top cuts than Empoleon, Mew/Vanillluxe, and 6 Corners, which all made this list.
 
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List

Per mass request, I have included Klingklang in this Tier List. ^_^

Cheers, anybody?
 
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List

I'm not really liking any of those decklists. Noctowl? Victory Medal? Celebi prime??? Celebi can't even accelerate anything in that deck!
 
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List

alexmf2 said:
I'm not really liking any of those decklists. Noctowl? Victory Medal? Celebi prime??? Celebi can't even accelerate anything in the deck!
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Have you playtested with any of those lists? No. Try them out and see for yourself. Celebi Prime, from my testing, has just made the deck faster. It can accelerate perfectly. It plays Grass Energy.
 
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List

You just edited it from DCE lol. And lowered the Celebi count to 2.
 
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List

alexmf2 said:
You just edited it from DCE lol. And lowered the Celebi count to 2.
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Maybe I did lol. Shhhh...don't tell, but I'm so tired that I have had 3 typos so far when I put DCE instead of the energy. XP
 
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List

Omg Alexmf2 is right. There are no grasses to acelerate. If you could Accelerate prisms/rainbows it would be Tier 1. For KlingKlang, I suggest adding Groudon EX's to tank rather than Terrakions.
2 Celebi isn't enough.
 
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List

RogueChomp said:
Omg Alexmf2 is right. There are no grasses to acelerate. If you could Accelerate prisms/rainbows it would be Tier 1. For KlingKlang, I suggest adding Groudon EX's to tank rather than Terrakions.
2 Celebi isn't enough.
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I edited them in before you posted this. Typos are natural, you know? Terrakion isn't to tank, by the way.
 
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List

Nigel said:
Terrakion isn't to tank, by the way.
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What he means is that it's harder to one-shot a Groudon than it is to one-shot a Terrakion.
 
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List

Hope said:
What he means is that it's harder to one-shot a Groudon than it is to one-shot a Terrakion.
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Upon reconsidering, it might be a good option to include it. I'll put it in.
 
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List

Hope said:
What he means is that it's harder to one-shot a Groudon than it is to one-shot a Terrakion.
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Exactly. With no acceleration just moving around, if your Terrakion gets OHKOd, you lose 2-3 energies. You cannot afford to lose Special energies. With Groudon, you can keep attacking, knowing that the chances of getting OHKOed are very unlikely.
 
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List

ITT Nigel can't spell Klinklang to save his life
 
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List

PMJ said:
ITT Nigel can't spell Klinklang to save his life
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^ Thank you for explaining that, PMJ. :p

I did an overhaul of the Tier List to try to make it *perfect* based off of people's suggestions. Now I have to go through and update the lists which should be done in a few hours.
 
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List

U forgot Potion and Max Potion in Entei......drop Victory Medal or/and Skyarrow + Smeargle.
 
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