Pokemon is a money stealing scheme. Have no cash? Playing pokemon? Connection!!!
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I'm willing to compromise with your views and look where it got me. Yes, the idea of society randomly crashing soon is ludicrous. I realize this. (However, I have views on this subject to, but we'll avoid that.) However, I'm putting things on a huge scale. Maybe slapping you in the face with facts does nothing, but I'm sure as heck gonna try. LOOK AT YOURSELVES. Pokemon is a childrens' card game. You're spending hundreds a year on it. Imagine what else you could actually do with that money. These will be your thoughts in a few years. Or possibly NOW. "Hmmm.... So I've spent this few hundred this year, and a couple last year.... and a few the year before.... Now I've been playing for a while and I've spent more than $1500! (Although I think you're all probably spending more than you think you are, but I'll let a couple hundred a year stand for now.) Well, let's see. That would of covered a used car. Or some house payments. Or some land. Or a luxury, even. A very nice televison. A computer. Could have high-speed internet for years. But no.... I'd rather have some pokemon cards." Woulda, coulda, shoulda. year ago I might of agreed with you. Why? Because my judgement was clouded, as is most of yours right now. You don't want to think about how much you've spent because you hate that you've spent that much. And now you're angry with yourself, and angry at me for provoking those thoughts. So you attack me. Yes, I realize I used VERY extreme hyperboles. Yes, I did and will defend them. Because you all can't look past the fricking literalness! It doesn't matter if I'd shoot an animal or if you wouldn't. It doesn't matter that I own some acres, this guy owns thousands, or this guy's front lawn is a fricking postage stamp! If you can't tell, I've been slapping you in the head with the same facts over and over AND OVER! But you have a stereotype stuck in your head and refuse to change it. "I am not spending too much on pokemon. It's fun and I enjoy it and I will not think past that!" It's like the commercials where the guy says, "You have to pay more to be slower.... Makes sense if you don't think about it." Well, you're not thinking about it. You're like sheep who will do whatever the guy in front of him does, and if he pays $4 for 10 cards, then by golly it must be reasonable!
(Oh, and Goruden Shawaa, I think you're just..... ignorant. I understand exactly how economics work. I'm saying don't be an idiot and buy into a bad deal because it's good compared to "the standard".)
And I'd like to applaud the very few of you who have a head between your shoulders.
And if those of you who think of yourselves as SOOOO highly educated haven't noticed, it's not about the Pokemon Co. Yes, I made it look that way. Yes, I did it on purpose. The whole point though was the subliminal message. Although, it's not so subliminal any more because you were all too dense to pick up on it. *HINT HINT HINT* YOU'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON A CARD GAME THAT WON'T BENEFIT YOU IN ANY WAY OTHER THAN TEMPORARY ENTERTAINMENT. SPEND YOUR MONEY ON SOMETHING WORTH-WHILE. DOESN'T MATTER MUCH WHAT IT IS IF IT'S LESS WASTEFUL OF YOUR RESOURCES.*HINT HINT HINT*
(Oh, and Goruden Shawaa, I think you're just..... ignorant. I understand exactly how economics work. I'm saying don't be an idiot and buy into a bad deal because it's good compared to "the standard".)
And I'd like to applaud the very few of you who have a head between your shoulders.
And if those of you who think of yourselves as SOOOO highly educated haven't noticed, it's not about the Pokemon Co. Yes, I made it look that way. Yes, I did it on purpose. The whole point though was the subliminal message. Although, it's not so subliminal any more because you were all too dense to pick up on it. *HINT HINT HINT* YOU'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON A CARD GAME THAT WON'T BENEFIT YOU IN ANY WAY OTHER THAN TEMPORARY ENTERTAINMENT. SPEND YOUR MONEY ON SOMETHING WORTH-WHILE. DOESN'T MATTER MUCH WHAT IT IS IF IT'S LESS WASTEFUL OF YOUR RESOURCES.*HINT HINT HINT*
(still on Rikko145's side)
Looking at this from a competitives player point of view, cards are money. Literally. I know John Kettler extremely well, and at every tournament he's selling cards. He has a scholarship from Pokemon. (He is a undergraduate at Texas A&M, and Pokemon got him there)
People base there decks off prices sometimes. I know i do. I think, "Hmm, god i blew $60 getting everything RH. That added $100 to the price of it! Now i have a $300 LuxChomp."
If you play this game for fun, then you're losing profit since the usual new player spends $40 on packs, a theme deck, tin, or something of that sort, and then quits a while later.
I'm basing all of this on making profit, even though this thread is about how Pokemon rips you off.
Like.. I know that they make alot of money. But at the same time, people turn around and sell their cards for alot more to other players. Pokemon doesn't make any money off that, do they? They only made the $4.32/$4.10 that you paid for those 10 pieces of colored cardboard. It's not like they sell Luxray GL Lv.X's for $80, they just sell the packs that hold them. People can go buy a pack of TM and pull a Dragonite. Yeah, that sucks in my opinion. But they could be lucky and pull a Gengar Prime or Mew Prime and just profited alot of money. People blow alot of money on singles now-a-days since you don't have to worry about bad pulls. Pokemon only made $4.32 off that. And hey, that's not even including the Shipping, the aluminum of the pack, the cardboard, the ink, and if at Wal-Mart/Target/etc the Plastic and more cardboard, and more ink!
This makes me wonder how much it costs to make the shiny stuff for Lv.X's Prime, RH's, Holos, and any other pretty stuff, since that can be even more. Oh! And then Pokemon still has to take the time to make the cards, and have people draw the artwork for them. Now that's got me thinking that they don't make too much off of a single pack of Pokemon Cards.
Oh, don't forget about when us better players go trade new players for their good shiny cards. Let's say you traded you're Legendary Deoxys Speed Forme, for a Mew Prime, or a Pokemon Collector, or something like that. God, they think they ripped you off. Now, you just made alot of profit depending on what you traded/traded for. But did Pokemon? Once again, no. They also make Mats, Sleeves, Deck Boxes, Plushies, Video Games, Movies, and a ton of other cool stuff. OH! AND they host big events at great venues. Is that not expensive? They pay for the electricity, air conditioning(which isn't always that great), and then the total which includes the renting of the venue. That can total up. Then they have to usualy have people clean up all of it. Oh, AND they give away free things to people. And Judges get booster boxes, and the winner usually gets some type of Trophy, and a Box.
But at the same time, you're making profit. Pokemon just hosts it and makes the cards which they sell. $4.32 sounds pretty reasonable too me now.
Looking at this from a competitives player point of view, cards are money. Literally. I know John Kettler extremely well, and at every tournament he's selling cards. He has a scholarship from Pokemon. (He is a undergraduate at Texas A&M, and Pokemon got him there)
People base there decks off prices sometimes. I know i do. I think, "Hmm, god i blew $60 getting everything RH. That added $100 to the price of it! Now i have a $300 LuxChomp."
If you play this game for fun, then you're losing profit since the usual new player spends $40 on packs, a theme deck, tin, or something of that sort, and then quits a while later.
I'm basing all of this on making profit, even though this thread is about how Pokemon rips you off.
Like.. I know that they make alot of money. But at the same time, people turn around and sell their cards for alot more to other players. Pokemon doesn't make any money off that, do they? They only made the $4.32/$4.10 that you paid for those 10 pieces of colored cardboard. It's not like they sell Luxray GL Lv.X's for $80, they just sell the packs that hold them. People can go buy a pack of TM and pull a Dragonite. Yeah, that sucks in my opinion. But they could be lucky and pull a Gengar Prime or Mew Prime and just profited alot of money. People blow alot of money on singles now-a-days since you don't have to worry about bad pulls. Pokemon only made $4.32 off that. And hey, that's not even including the Shipping, the aluminum of the pack, the cardboard, the ink, and if at Wal-Mart/Target/etc the Plastic and more cardboard, and more ink!
This makes me wonder how much it costs to make the shiny stuff for Lv.X's Prime, RH's, Holos, and any other pretty stuff, since that can be even more. Oh! And then Pokemon still has to take the time to make the cards, and have people draw the artwork for them. Now that's got me thinking that they don't make too much off of a single pack of Pokemon Cards.
Oh, don't forget about when us better players go trade new players for their good shiny cards. Let's say you traded you're Legendary Deoxys Speed Forme, for a Mew Prime, or a Pokemon Collector, or something like that. God, they think they ripped you off. Now, you just made alot of profit depending on what you traded/traded for. But did Pokemon? Once again, no. They also make Mats, Sleeves, Deck Boxes, Plushies, Video Games, Movies, and a ton of other cool stuff. OH! AND they host big events at great venues. Is that not expensive? They pay for the electricity, air conditioning(which isn't always that great), and then the total which includes the renting of the venue. That can total up. Then they have to usualy have people clean up all of it. Oh, AND they give away free things to people. And Judges get booster boxes, and the winner usually gets some type of Trophy, and a Box.
But at the same time, you're making profit. Pokemon just hosts it and makes the cards which they sell. $4.32 sounds pretty reasonable too me now.
PikachewTofu dude i think you really just need to chillllll. The dude can have his own opinion. He's literally just pointing out from his time playing, that it's overpriced from some points.
Did he say anything about YOUR income? Not that i have seen. If you have a problem, then don't post.
(Not trying to be rude, jusss saying.)
Did he say anything about YOUR income? Not that i have seen. If you have a problem, then don't post.
(Not trying to be rude, jusss saying.)
Thanks again Legos. 
But nope, just directed for me. I think he really likes me, lol. Although I suppose you make somebody an enemy if they tell you something you don't want to hear? Oh, and Pokemon does hold copies of cards. If they get hold of an oover-powered card, they'll make a few hundred extras, wait until they peak, then sell those. And it costs them literally only a few cents to make a prime or lv.x. Probably only spend about a dollar on the whole shabang. And true, player-to-player rips do happen quite often.
Pikachew, how exactly did you 'say that slow'? Did you just type especially slow? Because otherwise I don't see how that was an effective means of getting a point across.
But nope, just directed for me. I think he really likes me, lol. Although I suppose you make somebody an enemy if they tell you something you don't want to hear? Oh, and Pokemon does hold copies of cards. If they get hold of an oover-powered card, they'll make a few hundred extras, wait until they peak, then sell those. And it costs them literally only a few cents to make a prime or lv.x. Probably only spend about a dollar on the whole shabang. And true, player-to-player rips do happen quite often. Pikachew, how exactly did you 'say that slow'? Did you just type especially slow? Because otherwise I don't see how that was an effective means of getting a point across.
Oh, well i didn't think that Pokemon actually would do things like, that, but then again, you never know.
I have nothing against Pokemon, as in the company, since they actually do hold great events and such.
I honestly don't see why people dislike you so much, it's no big deal that you think Pokemon rips people off.
'Cause it does rip some people off since they don't know how to make money off playing Pokemon, and they play and have alot of fun playing theme decks, customizing them, then buying the cool looking Pokemon binders, putting all of there semi-okay pulls, also buying the new packs and such, which is how TPCI(The Pokemon Company International, right?) pictures most of the players.
Anyways, how did we get trees, and growing stuff, along with hunting, and the size of our houses into a discussion about TPCI ripping off People?
Rikko, When you sell all of your stuff, i want to know how much you made in total. (Assuming that you quit, and sell everything, of course.)
Do you think you'll come back into the game after your ban is lifted?
I have nothing against Pokemon, as in the company, since they actually do hold great events and such.
I honestly don't see why people dislike you so much, it's no big deal that you think Pokemon rips people off.
'Cause it does rip some people off since they don't know how to make money off playing Pokemon, and they play and have alot of fun playing theme decks, customizing them, then buying the cool looking Pokemon binders, putting all of there semi-okay pulls, also buying the new packs and such, which is how TPCI(The Pokemon Company International, right?) pictures most of the players.
Anyways, how did we get trees, and growing stuff, along with hunting, and the size of our houses into a discussion about TPCI ripping off People?
Rikko, When you sell all of your stuff, i want to know how much you made in total. (Assuming that you quit, and sell everything, of course.)
Do you think you'll come back into the game after your ban is lifted?
@Rikko145: I fully admit that you are right. At least for me, I make pretty much no profit on this. I almost never sell them and haven't traded them for years. I just collect them, and I'll be the first to admit that it isn't cheap for a complete set (though this evens out a bit with the fact I don't need card holders or travel to tournaments or any cost associated with them). Also, I would agree that alot of people end of spending close to a 1,000 dollars and very likely even more a year on Pokemon cards, I will admit I do. That's why in my last post I said (and I was serious it wasn't a joke) that the poll should have had an option 4 that said I know this and I don't care.
I know Pokemon is generally considered a childrens game. Any better suggestions on what do do with our time? Shall we start smoking or gambling, both often considered very 'adult' past times. How about watching some kind of medical/law drama or reality show? Is this more age deographically acceptable? Shall we play 'adult' games like Grand Theft Auto or Call of Duty? (not to offend people who like those games but I am not one of them). Shall we instead spend our time, money, and energy on World of Warcraft? I prefer Pokemon to all of these admittedly sarcastic (to me) suggestions.
How about some non sarcastic suggestions. Play first person shooters like Doom3 or Dead Space? RPGS like Final Fantasy? Spend time with the family like maybe wii bowling or family dinner? Read? Write? Watch shows like Smallville, Vampire Diaries or WWE/TNA? I do all of this normally (as I write this TNA had just ended for me) and I can still spend time/money on Pokemon CCG and other Pokemon and CCG related things without it completly overtaking/ruining my life and without it having no more impact on my financial status anymore than buying clothing, groceries, or video games. It's all about balance and as was once said, "If something is important enough you make the time." I believe that applies to finances as well.
The money used on Pokemon could have been spent elsewhere no question. The question then is over whether it would really be spent better. Is it really better spent on TV, in which a good one costs about half as much as one would spend on Pokemon cards with your estimate of 1500? On cable satellite or dish which is a monthly cost that you pay regardless of how much you use it? A DVD/Blu-ray player? A game system that could cost a quarter of your 1500 dollar estimate? The associated games or dvds (which could include Pokemon stuff) that cost 20.00 to 60.00 dollars a pop depending on what you buy and how much? And is any of that stuff profitable...also most likely no. Is that better? How about a computer...that holds very little to no profit depending on your computer skills. Is it better to play computer games? How about cruising websites? Post on forums like these? Is it better to spend that money to go to a movie theatre every week or to go out and spend time at clubs? Is this really a better way to spend your time than Pokemon CCG? Or buying land, you just don't realistically buy it and that is that. You have to make it work i.e. build a house and everything associated with a house which not everyone has the time or inclination to put in those hard hours to do so. In this economy how likely are you to be able to keep that land after all is said and done, this option definitely screams to me "This is very likely unprofitable!" Props to you on your willingnes and inclination to do this though. I know most others don't have that, and I can't say for sure which category I fall into (you never know until you've been tested).
Bottom line is that I agree with you that Pokemon is costly but it's not any better or worse than anything else (most of which are unquestionably as 'profitable' or 'practical') that you, me, or anybody else could name. And in the end it depends on the indvidual as to rather the cost is worth it or not. For you it's not and that's okay. For me and most of the people who are on this site it is worth it and that's the individuals call whether anyone else approves or not.
@Legoslock: Speaking for myself if nothing else I don't hate Rikko145. As I've said a few times in this post I agree with some of his points. My 'issue' if you can call it that (I consider more like the counterpoint to his point) is the idea that money is so wasted on Pokemon that anything in the world absolutely HAS to be a better use of said currency and that we are being ripped off. Oh, and I know it sounds kind of weird, perhaps even childish but I've been interested in enough different things to know that it doesn't take much to create conversations/debates/arguments or whatever you want to call it like this from tv shippings to plotline points/holes to the question of is it really worth the time and effort, so this doesn't surprise me.
I know Pokemon is generally considered a childrens game. Any better suggestions on what do do with our time? Shall we start smoking or gambling, both often considered very 'adult' past times. How about watching some kind of medical/law drama or reality show? Is this more age deographically acceptable? Shall we play 'adult' games like Grand Theft Auto or Call of Duty? (not to offend people who like those games but I am not one of them). Shall we instead spend our time, money, and energy on World of Warcraft? I prefer Pokemon to all of these admittedly sarcastic (to me) suggestions.
How about some non sarcastic suggestions. Play first person shooters like Doom3 or Dead Space? RPGS like Final Fantasy? Spend time with the family like maybe wii bowling or family dinner? Read? Write? Watch shows like Smallville, Vampire Diaries or WWE/TNA? I do all of this normally (as I write this TNA had just ended for me) and I can still spend time/money on Pokemon CCG and other Pokemon and CCG related things without it completly overtaking/ruining my life and without it having no more impact on my financial status anymore than buying clothing, groceries, or video games. It's all about balance and as was once said, "If something is important enough you make the time." I believe that applies to finances as well.
The money used on Pokemon could have been spent elsewhere no question. The question then is over whether it would really be spent better. Is it really better spent on TV, in which a good one costs about half as much as one would spend on Pokemon cards with your estimate of 1500? On cable satellite or dish which is a monthly cost that you pay regardless of how much you use it? A DVD/Blu-ray player? A game system that could cost a quarter of your 1500 dollar estimate? The associated games or dvds (which could include Pokemon stuff) that cost 20.00 to 60.00 dollars a pop depending on what you buy and how much? And is any of that stuff profitable...also most likely no. Is that better? How about a computer...that holds very little to no profit depending on your computer skills. Is it better to play computer games? How about cruising websites? Post on forums like these? Is it better to spend that money to go to a movie theatre every week or to go out and spend time at clubs? Is this really a better way to spend your time than Pokemon CCG? Or buying land, you just don't realistically buy it and that is that. You have to make it work i.e. build a house and everything associated with a house which not everyone has the time or inclination to put in those hard hours to do so. In this economy how likely are you to be able to keep that land after all is said and done, this option definitely screams to me "This is very likely unprofitable!" Props to you on your willingnes and inclination to do this though. I know most others don't have that, and I can't say for sure which category I fall into (you never know until you've been tested).
Bottom line is that I agree with you that Pokemon is costly but it's not any better or worse than anything else (most of which are unquestionably as 'profitable' or 'practical') that you, me, or anybody else could name. And in the end it depends on the indvidual as to rather the cost is worth it or not. For you it's not and that's okay. For me and most of the people who are on this site it is worth it and that's the individuals call whether anyone else approves or not.
@Legoslock: Speaking for myself if nothing else I don't hate Rikko145. As I've said a few times in this post I agree with some of his points. My 'issue' if you can call it that (I consider more like the counterpoint to his point) is the idea that money is so wasted on Pokemon that anything in the world absolutely HAS to be a better use of said currency and that we are being ripped off. Oh, and I know it sounds kind of weird, perhaps even childish but I've been interested in enough different things to know that it doesn't take much to create conversations/debates/arguments or whatever you want to call it like this from tv shippings to plotline points/holes to the question of is it really worth the time and effort, so this doesn't surprise me.
^I agree with you completely as well.
It is alot better, doesn't affect your health, but at the same time the cards last(They take forever too burn to!), and are fun to use/collect at some point.
Smoking, Drinking, Clubbing, and all of that great(sarcasm) stuff can really damage your health. Pokemon is much better then any of those.
But i must admit that playing Online games, which can be free, or just a sum of cash, can be more fun then Pokemon at some points, but with Pokemon you actually interact with People, and not just play against them online.
It is alot better, doesn't affect your health, but at the same time the cards last(They take forever too burn to!), and are fun to use/collect at some point.
Smoking, Drinking, Clubbing, and all of that great(sarcasm) stuff can really damage your health. Pokemon is much better then any of those.
But i must admit that playing Online games, which can be free, or just a sum of cash, can be more fun then Pokemon at some points, but with Pokemon you actually interact with People, and not just play against them online.
Yes, to quote my generation I guess, *looks at the holographic Charizard "Ooh, shiny."
I will admit three years ago I spent over a year playing Diablo 2 and was so engrossed by it that the only thing I didn't do to improve my characters (a profile and a half worth of them by the by) was to spend real money on virtual stuff. Again because it wasn't worth it to me. In that interim I was catching up on years of Pokemon stuff (the e-series until Emerald or something) which I admit was a mess load of money. Again, as stated in my earlier post, to me it was worth that money to catch up (Ooh, shiny. LOL) even though most of it was for collection purposes with a side idea of improving what decks I had. Some of my favorite 'high school' moments was going to Pokemon League at Toys R Us every Thursday afternoon, I specifically requested that day off of work for it. Pokemon, the card game in particular, allowed me to become friends with one of my cousins friends (we did not get along prior to that) and as of six months ago at least two fomer leaguers recognize me from that time (about a decade ago, fyi). My five year old nephew is also getting into Pokemon (at least as much as a five year old gets into anything) giving he and I something in common.
So even though, as admitted, Pokemon is costly, it has had its good points too, and at least to me that makes it all the worthwhile.
I will admit three years ago I spent over a year playing Diablo 2 and was so engrossed by it that the only thing I didn't do to improve my characters (a profile and a half worth of them by the by) was to spend real money on virtual stuff. Again because it wasn't worth it to me. In that interim I was catching up on years of Pokemon stuff (the e-series until Emerald or something) which I admit was a mess load of money. Again, as stated in my earlier post, to me it was worth that money to catch up (Ooh, shiny. LOL) even though most of it was for collection purposes with a side idea of improving what decks I had. Some of my favorite 'high school' moments was going to Pokemon League at Toys R Us every Thursday afternoon, I specifically requested that day off of work for it. Pokemon, the card game in particular, allowed me to become friends with one of my cousins friends (we did not get along prior to that) and as of six months ago at least two fomer leaguers recognize me from that time (about a decade ago, fyi). My five year old nephew is also getting into Pokemon (at least as much as a five year old gets into anything) giving he and I something in common.
So even though, as admitted, Pokemon is costly, it has had its good points too, and at least to me that makes it all the worthwhile.
Rikko, you completely dodged all my points.
I dont understand why you act like everything is mutually exclusive? I can go for a walk and play pokemon. I can afford a TV and play pokemon. I can afford a PS3 and still play pokemon.
I honestly couldnt care less if I spent a trillion dollars on pokemon cards. As long as it didnt affect my quality of living and it made me happy, then why not? It just seems rikko you have a very narrow mind. Open it up a little, be a bit more accepting. People play pokemon, so what? Why does it matter if X and Y play pokemon, your not in their financial situation so you can't make judgments on whether they are wasting money or not.
I dont understand why you act like everything is mutually exclusive? I can go for a walk and play pokemon. I can afford a TV and play pokemon. I can afford a PS3 and still play pokemon.
I honestly couldnt care less if I spent a trillion dollars on pokemon cards. As long as it didnt affect my quality of living and it made me happy, then why not? It just seems rikko you have a very narrow mind. Open it up a little, be a bit more accepting. People play pokemon, so what? Why does it matter if X and Y play pokemon, your not in their financial situation so you can't make judgments on whether they are wasting money or not.
Why would you ever expect to get a financial return out of everything you spend money on? Why is money so important? That's like saying food is a leech on your wallet unless you're eating nothing but cheap rice and water.
Rikko, you had no problems with the game when you played or when you rev'd your deck, was money an issue there?.. I believe it wasn't.
The psychological way to see this is that your actions got you banned from the game, hence all the money you spent being wasted, so now your kicking back at the company you gave your money to.
Before you deny giving them your money, nobody forced you to play the game or to buy packs or to enter tournaments, It was your decision, just like how you decided to chew up a psyduck and place it on a judges back.
Yes the Pokèmon Company does make money, but what a surprise thats what they where established to do, if any cards seem over priced thats due to the secondary market and TCPi have no control over that, As for your claim that they horde cards that are promising until the price inflates that is sheer speculation on your part, shout it as much as you want it will still only be speculation and borderline slander.
In brief, Your actions are what allowed you to receive a ban and you are now just looking at a way to vent your frustration at the Pokèmon TCG and TCPi makes money because its there job to
The psychological way to see this is that your actions got you banned from the game, hence all the money you spent being wasted, so now your kicking back at the company you gave your money to.
Before you deny giving them your money, nobody forced you to play the game or to buy packs or to enter tournaments, It was your decision, just like how you decided to chew up a psyduck and place it on a judges back.
Yes the Pokèmon Company does make money, but what a surprise thats what they where established to do, if any cards seem over priced thats due to the secondary market and TCPi have no control over that, As for your claim that they horde cards that are promising until the price inflates that is sheer speculation on your part, shout it as much as you want it will still only be speculation and borderline slander.
In brief, Your actions are what allowed you to receive a ban and you are now just looking at a way to vent your frustration at the Pokèmon TCG and TCPi makes money because its there job to
Pokemon cards bring a lot of joy to a lot of people. Me being one of them.
Like dmaster said,
"You can trade and try to find cheap deals on singles and other items online. I know my friend hardly spends anything and he doesn't collect and still plays just fine as anybody else. You spend how much you want in this game. Just have to be money smart."
That is a true fact and probly 60% of pokemon player do that.
Pokemon needs to make a living, and at that they made a good one.
I vote no, and will continue to play cards for a long while.
Like dmaster said,
"You can trade and try to find cheap deals on singles and other items online. I know my friend hardly spends anything and he doesn't collect and still plays just fine as anybody else. You spend how much you want in this game. Just have to be money smart."
That is a true fact and probly 60% of pokemon player do that.
Pokemon needs to make a living, and at that they made a good one.
I vote no, and will continue to play cards for a long while.
Rikko145 said:
Isn't that the whole point of advertising? Actually attracting people to buy your product?
It's them being smart in utilizing it more than anything else.
I rarely spend on cards and just rely on trades and friends to help out. So what if I can't get big cards like Luxray GL X and stuff like that? I just resort to using cheaper decks. If you're just in it to have fun and not get anything else out of it, there's no reason why you can't just ignore those expensive stuff. You will still be able to put together some random deck that works reasonably well.
The only reason you would want to big time expensive cards is if you actually wanted to win from it. And if that's what you want, you should be prepared to invest in it. Getting together stacks of staples and prized cards.
So yeah... Pokemon doesn't make you go broke. It you yourself that does. It's all how you want to play the game. Personally, just the community/fun of it is pretty worth the amount we pay out.
I agree with some of Rikko's points. However, every time you buy anything there is a scam involved. Nothing is worth what you buy it for. TV's, computers, gas, clothes and so on. The responsibility of a company is to make money and you do that by advertising which drives up expenses and then in turn drives up prices. So yeah, a pack of cards can be made for probably less than a $1 but that price goes up because of everything that goes with it (advertising, shipping, etc.) I think the fact that all of Pokemon's tournaments are free and that they give out prizes and scholarship money helps their imagine a lot and keeps the game going. At least they give "something" back to the community who spends their money on the product.....
oh man...i do hate myself rikko . come on why dont you look at yourself if your gonna do that to us. honestly i think guns are stupid and useless. im not coming and saying that you are waisting your money buying them. you can take a 200 dollar gun referbish it clean it what ever and turn it in to 500 more than double (my uncle is planning on becoming a gunsmith....i know stuff) as i said before but a couple packs not get anything to good but enought to maybe double what you paid. so we may have spent 1500 but in reality we earned 3000 or more. you just look at the spending and not the profit.
. come on why dont you look at yourself if your gonna do that to us. honestly i think guns are stupid and useless. im not coming and saying that you are waisting your money buying them. you can take a 200 dollar gun referbish it clean it what ever and turn it in to 500 more than double (my uncle is planning on becoming a gunsmith....i know stuff) as i said before but a couple packs not get anything to good but enought to maybe double what you paid. so we may have spent 1500 but in reality we earned 3000 or more. you just look at the spending and not the profit.
@Legoslock - I will not come back. And so far I haven't even been thinking about what I'm gonna do with my stuff. If and when I do sell, I'll let you know.
@Pikachu6319 - Very good points. Smoking, gambling, etc. are bad habits to take up. And I believe that is where the whole trees and hunting bit came in. I think that if people started taking up hobbies that benefited their community or their own finances like those, then we'd have a much better society all around. And to your second point, I do like that aspect. Probably the only thing I will miss of the card game is the people. Well, some of them.
kashmaster - I don't believe I pointed out any one financial situation. You seem kinda touchy, though.
Whimsicalbox - You need food to live, if you didn't really notice. O.O
Phenomenon - So you disagree that pokemon is not profitable? You think that 4$ for 10 cards isn't expensive? That's three cans of food you could donate to a food drive or give to the homeless. That's not profitable either, by any means, but it's a good cause for spending 4$. Plus, what is a good deal? 35$ for a single card? Paying 60$ for a fancier sheet of rubber to play on?
banditkeith - You missed the boat a bit there. The point wasn't that they use cheap advertising methods. It's that people don't recognize them and end up wasting money.
Darkmind - Let me give you a common situation just for an example. A States tournament. Let's say 300 people show. Each person spends 20$. That's 6000$. But do you think the people walk away with 6000$ worth? Even including the winners? No, they walk away with about 10$ worth on average many worse, some more. Yes, some people will bring up "Trades trades trades!" Well, what did you trade? More or equal to what whatever you got is worth, most likely. They give away some prizes and it looks real good on them. But they just made 2500+$ in a few hours.
catutie - You hate yourself? Okay, then. And I'm not saying being able to stock a malitia from home. And you show me 3000$ you earned from pokemon. People go through a lot of work to attend/set up tournaments, and maybe they earned 3000$ from their work, but they won't get it. If you pay 1500$, I doubt you'll make it back.
@Pikachu6319 - Very good points. Smoking, gambling, etc. are bad habits to take up. And I believe that is where the whole trees and hunting bit came in. I think that if people started taking up hobbies that benefited their community or their own finances like those, then we'd have a much better society all around. And to your second point, I do like that aspect. Probably the only thing I will miss of the card game is the people. Well, some of them.
kashmaster - I don't believe I pointed out any one financial situation. You seem kinda touchy, though.
Whimsicalbox - You need food to live, if you didn't really notice. O.O
Phenomenon - So you disagree that pokemon is not profitable? You think that 4$ for 10 cards isn't expensive? That's three cans of food you could donate to a food drive or give to the homeless. That's not profitable either, by any means, but it's a good cause for spending 4$. Plus, what is a good deal? 35$ for a single card? Paying 60$ for a fancier sheet of rubber to play on?
banditkeith - You missed the boat a bit there. The point wasn't that they use cheap advertising methods. It's that people don't recognize them and end up wasting money.
Darkmind - Let me give you a common situation just for an example. A States tournament. Let's say 300 people show. Each person spends 20$. That's 6000$. But do you think the people walk away with 6000$ worth? Even including the winners? No, they walk away with about 10$ worth on average many worse, some more. Yes, some people will bring up "Trades trades trades!" Well, what did you trade? More or equal to what whatever you got is worth, most likely. They give away some prizes and it looks real good on them. But they just made 2500+$ in a few hours.
catutie - You hate yourself? Okay, then. And I'm not saying being able to stock a malitia from home. And you show me 3000$ you earned from pokemon. People go through a lot of work to attend/set up tournaments, and maybe they earned 3000$ from their work, but they won't get it. If you pay 1500$, I doubt you'll make it back.
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