Pokemon TCG for the DS!

sethL: thats the point of WIFI. so you dont play the computer. you play a real live person playing their own deck. odds are most people here would buy it and some of them play luxchomp,jumpluff, and other meta decks. just PM them and battle them. they know when to power spray and when not to. and if it wasnt popular back then well how many people were at nats back then. i dont know what it is but im pretty sure it wasnt almost 1300. The bad players would become better with more chances to play others and improve. a game may not be as good as real live TCG but it would surely help.
 
So a video game would "surely help", even though if bad people need help they can go to a special place called the internet and then go on various forums for advice? A video game that has wifi(which isn't the most reliable thing at times), instead of using programs like Redshark and Apprentice? It is going to hurt the TPCi more than it will help. Huge losses in profit for a TCG VG that bad players will buy and use to "get better". Playing against people over wifi doesn't make them better. People get better because they play against real people. They see the real peoples expressions, they can read faces. A part of this game is how you make yourself appear. A smart player knows when to bait power sprays simply by reading expressions and the like. You cant do that over a video game. It wont ever come to be, its just a waste of time talking about it.
 
Seth1789110 said:
So a video game would "surely help", even though if bad people need help they can go to a special place called the internet and then go on various forums for advice? A video game that has wifi(which isn't the most reliable thing at times), instead of using programs like Redshark and Apprentice? It is going to hurt the TPCi more than it will help. Huge losses in profit for a TCG VG that bad players will buy and use to "get better". Playing against people over wifi doesn't make them better. People get better because they play against real people. They see the real peoples expressions, they can read faces. A part of this game is how you make yourself appear. A smart player knows when to bait power sprays simply by reading expressions and the like. You cant do that over a video game. It wont ever come to be, its just a waste of time talking about it.
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So...if we were to equivocate this to poker... what you're saying is...professional poker players never play online?

Wrong, I bet professionals play online all the time. They won't always call up their buddies or wait a week until "league" to play poker. And it probably helps them get better.
 
Seth, how is TCPi going to lose money? If people want to play in tournaments they are still going to need real cards. A digital card will never replace a real one for tournament decks and collections. However the DLC money they make from people who would prefer an official video game with images of the cards and easy access wifi play over something like Redshark would be easy money. I think you are missing the point. This game would in no way replace the real game but be a fun tool to practice and play on the go. It would be a whole lot easier than Redshark.
 
Yeah, I'd much rather have a DS game then play RedShark or Apprentice. With RedShark everything is slower, pick up the card, evolve. The game doesn't know that you have a Staduim in play. You can accidentally evolve a Shuppet when you don't want to. Red Shark is great, but being able to just touch a card on your bench with a stylus and see it pop up would be a lot simpler. You can just drag a Psychic from your hand to your Pokemon. It'd be a lot easier and could have a storyline too. I loved the original and that gave me a craving to have something like this for our time. Every time I was playing I'd have a Hitmonchan active with 2 Pluspowers and a Fighting on it. Facing a Pokemon with 50 HP I was like "If only I had a Crobat or a Blower". I wanted Uxie's and Claydols. And I wouldn't leave the game. You can't get the atmosphere and the feeling of actually playing someone in a game. And how would you improve? There's no Nationals, no Regionals, no States. You can't get that in a game, there's nothing to try for. There's no prizes, Scholarship Money, Nintendo's latest console, hats, binders, and playmats. It wouldn't be the same, this would be a great idea.
 
I think this is a great idea. Not everyone can playtest their decks with another person when they aren't at league, so this would give everyone a better oppurtunity to build better decks. Wi-Fi would be really cool with this too.
 
Great idea, I would buy it. Sigh, I hope some one from GF suggest this.
 
The original wasn't developed by Game Freak, it was developed by Hudson Soft and published by, of course, Nintendo.
 
I think its a good idea for people who want to play test a deck or someone new to the game! I used to love the gameboy game
 
Sorry if this is a bad comparison, but Yu-Gi-Oh had made fifty kabillion TCG Games for like every system.

People still buy the real cards, and people buy the games too.

This could work for Pokemon as well would it not?
 
Sales of the TCG Gameboy 2 game were so abysmal in Japan, Nintendo dropped the entire concept... Makes one wonder whether it'd be any better off as a DS title. Nevertheless, you're definitely not alone in wishing an updated TCG game was released. ;)
 
Tenka Digi said:
Sales of the TCG Gameboy 2 game were so abysmal in Japan, Nintendo dropped the entire concept... Makes one wonder whether it'd be any better off as a DS title. Nevertheless, you're definitely not alone in wishing an updated TCG game was released.
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But to be fair, the TCG games all came out on the GB when the TCG was pretty much still in it's infancy. Not to say that people didn't collect / play the TCG, but it has come along way since then.
I think Nintendo will (if they haven't already) definitely give this aspect of the Pokemon franchise another look, because obviously, it has been fairly successful with other TCGs, Yu-Gi-Oh being a prime example.
In fact I'd go as far to say that they could probably out do Konami with a TCG game, because the Yu-Gi-Oh games are pretty much all the same (at least the games on the DS), year in, year out.
But yeh, I'm quite positive that the whole "people playing the video game over the card game" argument has very little to do with the lack of TCG video games since the GBC. Like Lemres said, Yu-Gi-Oh is one of the more successful TCGs (like Pokemon, Magic, WOW, etc) and if anything the release of supporting video games has only aided the game.
There are a few reasons for this. Firstly, it got more people playing back in 2005 (when I started playing, which I did so by buying a GBA game), and I'd imagine still holds the same effect today.
Secondly, it gives people a way of testing decks, before they invest the time and money to do so. This is not a negative factor, because it's very unlikely a person will stop playing the VG or the TCG if a specific build of a deck idea they had doesn't pan out.
Another aspect leading from that, is the fact it's almost impossible to keep a VG up to date with new releases (short of DLC, which in Yugioh, there is none). This is probably due to the limitations with space on cartridges/CDs.
Then there's the problem with decks drawing differently in real life compared to on the games. The reason for which is that it is incredibly difficult to program an algorithm that randomises cards in the same way a person can shuffle the deck (due to different shuffling methods, different weights of cards, etc). This effects both the ability to test properly and can also promote playing IRL instead.
Something else that Pokemon is missing out on is a DS TCG Nationals. Again, it is a way only a video game could promote the TCG.

I'd be all for Nintendo releasing another TCG video game, but I'd like it sooner rather than later, and as of yet there is nothing to suggest it will happen.

EDIT: I do have a question though, in Yu-Gi-Oh, which is manufactured and distributed by Konami, releases are geared in order to make as much profit on each set as possible. This includes the secondary market to an extent, because Konami purposefully make good cards (or even average cards that people will perceive to be good) really hard to get. This drives up the value of the card on the secondary market, and therefore makes people buy more and more of the set in order to try to pull it. My question is, does any of this hold true to the Pokemon TCG? I am assuming that Nintendo aren't quite as profit hungry to the extent that Konami are, but my perception of Japanese companies is that profit is a huge, if not the most important factor.
 
What's great about games based on TCG properties is that they will sometimes create new fans of the TCG. The Magic: the Gathering games on the X-Box did wonders for adding new players to our Magic scene.

Older players with disposable incomes who become interested in the game will purchase whatever they wish to in order to get their collection going. Even younger players have the chance of going: "Cool DS game for Christmas, but I want some of the actual cards for my birthday because the game looks like fun".
 
I'll leave this open for more discussion even though it was revived.

dmaster out.
 
As I game designer, I have a few things to say.

Yeah... this would be amazing! It would be VERY EASY to play on DS/Wii (Please please please 3DS). I would pay up to $5 for DLC for each set. This would be a really easy route to get easy bling bling for GF. This would enhance the TCG fanbase by getting Pokemon lovers to realize that there is still a TCG.

TBH though, I'm betting that it won't happen. The GF that made it years ago is, in spirit, a different GF as we have today. Today's GF is very lazy and continues to milk their cash cow called "Pokemon". Another TCG game would be difficult and would have A LOT of difficult development. There are pleanty of rules to the game, and committing to constantly developing more rules is a lot of work. This would be a daunting project. I'm just not seeing them doing it when they can put 0 effort into another CIRCLES or PBR/XD game.
 
This would be a great way for young players to practice without wasting their parent's time and money as well!
 
If Nintendo has a chance to gain more money, they will do it. So, after that long time that pokemon TCG is here, they (if it gives them money) would makes tones of pokemon TCG games. But they didn t. Nintendo is a big company which contains a lot of worker who are paid just to make sure they are gainning the most of money. They don t do it because after thinking of everything, it is more disadvandage for them to do it. They have there reasons. Look at everything in the world, there are always advandages and desadvandages, arguments for with and other side, but the important is which has more. What I am saying there is that I don t think they will make one, unless, I don t know, for exemple, if Pokemon TCG was played by only few people, then they will make the game to give interest to more.

I d really like a Pokemon TCG game on DS too. The idea was giving by a lot of people to the company, but there is always a "but"...
 
There was a Pokemon TCG game on the gameboy color. I wonder why they didn't make any more games like that? Maybe it didn't get that many sales.
 
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