Regigigas ex the Amazing
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What I'm trying to say is gigas would be good if it weren't an ex. When it's full health 2 shotted be d-phan, the opponent takes 2 prizes. Then, you bring up the "amazing" kyurem ex. You attach a {W}. They earthquake or heavy impact. Kyurem is now at either 90 or 120 hp. You attach another dce, if you even have one. You do 100 to d-phan. Donphan is now set up for heavy impact and ko's you for 2 prizes. You're now 4 prizes down. good luck recovering from thatDark Void said:
...I'm not disagreeing with you that Kyurem EX is horrible. I'm agreeing that if you pull it you should sell it or glue it into your trade binder. But, with a Prism on Gigas, a benched Darkrai EX, and a Cyrogonal you can get the prize advantage whenever a Donphan shows up.
google himself has said that the attackers will vary based on how the meta develops and how it is in your location. He chose Donphan, Zekrom, and SEL specifically for a worlds meta. Mew might be a justifiable inclusion post-EP, while Zekrom might not be as much of one.pokemonjoe said:
The issue is that except in special cases like Mew and Zekrom, all the attackers need 130+HP after their attack. Gigas has a pretty bad weakness and it's much slower than any of those 3 attackers google had. It also runs the risk of not having enough HP if you try to OHKO something. The 2 prizes is a huge liability when you're usually down 3 prizes after setup.
Forgot about SEL. That'd probably be the best option, but in a contest between kyurem EX and cyrogonal, I'd run Cyrogonal so you can ko donphan and utilize twins without it being too bad or just retreat. Also, with kyurem ex, you're way too reliant on dce's.Celebi23 said:
pokemonjoe said:
Stop sticking other people's words in my mouth. Since you seem to keep pulling up someome else poor arguement which I do not agree with against me, I'll repeat myself: Kyurem EX is awful. Do not use it. Use Cyrogonal.
Anyway, Gigas should not be the only thing in your deck. googlebox is a toolbox, Regigigas is just one tool. Against Donphan, Cyrogonal will be your tool of choice, not Regigigas, its simpel as that. However, Gigas works well against most other things. If Zekrom, who has 50 less hp and deals 30 less, can work well in googlebox I think Gigas can too.
You would only use Cyrogonal against a Donphan deck, while you wouldn't use Gigas against said Donphan deck. Against a Zekrom deck, you can simply send up Gigas until they Bolt Strike, then move the damage so there is 40 left on Gigas and hit the OHKO back with 140 HP remaining, enough to avoid the revenge KO. Reshiram is a bit more tricky since Blue Flare doesn't damage them directly, so you will have to wait until it reaches 3 damage counters from Afterburner, then you can KO it. Or, you could always just use the first attack for a 2HKO if they aren't Afterburnering.
I wasn't using that poor argument against you, I was telling celebi my opinion. I realized you agreed with my on kyurem ex earlier, I should have said it though. Also, gigas is just one tool in googlebox, but the way the original poster said it, it sounded like that was the only thing other than kyurem exDark Void said:
Alright Pokemonjoe, I understand what you are saying and I agree, the OP's idea of the deck wouldn't work very well. I had meant to post a thread for this myself and forgot, but since posting it now would be redundant I'm using this thread.
As for the dragons in D&D, you would deal with them similarly. If they have 3 or more damage counters, bring Gigas down to 130 HP or higher if possible then KO with the second attack. If not, use the first attack for the 2HKO and keep Gigas above 120 hp. As for Cyrogonal not countering a Donphan that uses Heavy Impact, Cyrogonal is a basic that KOs Donphan for 2 energy, Donphan is a stage 1 that KOs Cyrogonal for 3 energy. If you can keep the Cyrogonal coming Donphan shouldn't be a problem. Also, a problem with Donphan decks is they usually run low energy counts and don't have great draw; they will have trouble keeping up with losing 3 energy in one turn and spending 3 turns before being able to send up another Donphan.
As for the dragons in D&D, you would deal with them similarly. If they have 3 or more damage counters, bring Gigas down to 130 HP or higher if possible then KO with the second attack. If not, use the first attack for the 2HKO and keep Gigas above 120 hp. As for Cyrogonal not countering a Donphan that uses Heavy Impact, Cyrogonal is a basic that KOs Donphan for 2 energy, Donphan is a stage 1 that KOs Cyrogonal for 3 energy. If you can keep the Cyrogonal coming Donphan shouldn't be a problem. Also, a problem with Donphan decks is they usually run low energy counts and don't have great draw; they will have trouble keeping up with losing 3 energy in one turn and spending 3 turns before being able to send up another Donphan.
You lose access to Catcher with googlebox. So they can wall with a dragon, which Cryogonal can't do much to without risking an Outrage KO, while piling a bunch of energy on multiple benched Donphan. Then they can come in and OHKO multiple Cryogonal OR Regigigas EX. There's nothing stopping a Heavy Impact sweep except you getting lucky and having them miss energy draws.
I think the rule of thumb for that matchup is to always have a benched Cyrogonal with 2 energy on it; if you Ko some dragon and they bring up a Donphan to Heavy Impact you, you bringup Cyrogonal and KO it back. Yes, you lose 2 prizes to their 1, but they lsoe the momentum and have to spend another 3 turns, maybe more if they run into an energy drought (very possible) and in that tiem you might be able to take another prize or two of their dragons to keep up. I'm not saying that the matchup is favorable; it would probably be Gigas's worst matchup, although it is possible, unlike some of Gothitelle's matchups, and people are still using Gothitelle, aren't they?