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Standard Rouge Toxicroak/Ariados idea

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ZagzigZero

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Hello, i had this one idea, that this deck is gonna do well. The main idea is to poison your opponent, so they cannot damage you (Nor getting effects due to Bent Spoon) so they can't do anything without Garbodor. But, if my opponent switches out (or has Garb) i'm screwed.

Sooo, Anything to stop this problem? Ideas, techs, counters?

(Also, This deck is not really competitive, but idk.)

Pokémon - 14

* 2 Shaymin-EX ROS 106
* 2 Mr. Mime BKT 97
* 3 Croagunk STS 58
* 3 Toxicroak STS 59
* 2 Spinarak AOR 5
* 2 Ariados AOR 6

Trainercards - 37

* 3 Level Ball NXD 89
* 2 Super Rod NVI 95
* 4 Crushing Hammer GEN 60
* 3 Bent Spoon FAC 93
* 3 VS Seeker ROS 110
* 3 Trainers' Mail ROS 92
* 4 Ultra Ball PLF 122
* 2 Float Stone BKT 137

* 2 Lysandre AOR 78
* 4 Professor Sycamore BKP 107
* 1 Team Flare Grunt GEN 73
* 2 N NVI 92

* 4 Chaos Tower FAC 94

Energy - 9

* 4 Strong Energy FFI 104
* 5 Fighting Energy BLW 110

Total - 60
 
I tried this out for a while on the online client. I came to the unfortunate conclusion that it's not good enough right now, but will be very much improved when Poison Barb becomes legal with the SM set next month.
Poison Barb (tool): If the Pokémon this card is attached to is your Active Pokémon and is damaged from an opponent's attack (even if this Pokémon is Knocked Out), the Attacking Pokémon is now Poisoned.

Along with Toxapex maybe instead of Ariados?
Ability: Whenever your opponent retreats his or her Active Pokémon, the new Active Pokémon is now Poisoned.


Here is the (failed) list I was tinkering with, maybe it'll help you more than it did me.

****** Pokémon Trading Card Game Deck List ******

##Pokémon - 13

* 1 Binacle ROS 38
* 4 Croagunk STS 58
* 3 Toxicroak STS 59
* 2 Spinarak AOR 5
* 2 Ariados AOR 6
* 1 Barbaracle FAC 23

##Trainer Cards - 40

* 4 Professor Sycamore STS 114
* 2 Delinquent BKP 98
* 2 Professor's Letter XY 123
* 2 Shrine of Memories PRC 139
* 1 Ninja Boy STS 103
* 2 Revive ROS 88
* 1 Karen PR-XY XY177
* 4 Forest of Giant Plants AOR 74
* 3 Brigette BKT 161
* 2 Revitalizer GEN 70
* 2 N NVI 101
* 1 Lysandre FLF 104
* 4 VS Seeker PHF 109
* 4 Level Ball NXD 89
* 2 Chaos Tower FAC 94
* 4 Trainers' Mail AOR 100

##Energy - 7

* 7 Fighting Energy GEN 80

Total Cards - 60

****** Deck List Generated by the Pokémon TCG Online www.pokemon.com/TCGO ******
 
I don't know the card name, but there will be one with an ability that poisons the new active pokemon whenever they retreat. That would eliminate the retreat option.
In expanded you have Virbank City Gym that puts 2 more damage on poisoned pokemon along with Hypnotoxic laser. Some other fighting support would be Focus Sash and Hawlucha for early damage.
 
Using a mincinno or beedrill ex could give you tool removal against garb, but it's not a perfect fix, especially because the minccino (how do you spell it?) Is basically a free prize for them.
 
I was thinking something like this as well but Garb is a big problem since we are using ability heavy pokemon

Pokémon - 17

* 2 Shaymin-EX ROS 106
* 2 Mareanie
* 2 Toxapex
* 3 Croagunk STS 58
* 3 Toxicroak STS 59
* 2 Spinarak AOR 5
* 2 Ariados AOR 6
* 1 Beedrill ex

Trainercards - 33

* 3 Level Ball NXD 89
* 2 Super Rod NVI 95
* 4 Crushing Hammer GEN 60
* 1 Professors letter
* 4 VS Seeker ROS 110
* 3 Trainers' Mail ROS 92
* 4 Ultra Ball PLF 122
* 1 Bridgette
* 3 Float Stone BKT 137
* 2 Lysandre AOR 78
* 4 Professor Sycamore BKP 107
* 1 Giovanni's Scheme
* 2 N NVI 92
* 3 Chaos Tower FAC 94

Energy - 10

* 4 Strong Energy FFI 104
* 5 Fighting Energy BLW 110
* 1 psychic Energy

Total - 60
 
Thad said:
I was thinking something like this as well but Garb is a big problem since we are using ability heavy pokemon

Pokémon - 17

* 2 Shaymin-EX ROS 106
* 2 Mareanie
* 2 Toxapex
* 3 Croagunk STS 58
* 3 Toxicroak STS 59
* 2 Spinarak AOR 5
* 2 Ariados AOR 6
* 1 Beedrill ex

Trainercards - 33

* 3 Level Ball NXD 89
* 2 Super Rod NVI 95
* 4 Crushing Hammer GEN 60
* 1 Professors letter
* 4 VS Seeker ROS 110
* 3 Trainers' Mail ROS 92
* 4 Ultra Ball PLF 122
* 1 Bridgette
* 3 Float Stone BKT 137
* 2 Lysandre AOR 78
* 4 Professor Sycamore BKP 107
* 1 Giovanni's Scheme
* 2 N NVI 92
* 3 Chaos Tower FAC 94

Energy - 10

* 4 Strong Energy FFI 104
* 5 Fighting Energy BLW 110
* 1 psychic Energy

Total - 60
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I feel like the Ariados line is unnesecary, your attack + the Toxapex is already an infinite poison, that means you can remove the Chaos tower for maybe Shrine to use Croagunk's Poison Up attack
 
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jessalakasam said:
I feel like the Ariados line is unnesecary, your attack + the Toxapex is already an infinite poison, that means you can remove the Chaos tower for maybe Shrine to use Croagunk's Poison Up attack
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I like that idea ill play test this without ariados and figure out what 4 cards to use to replace maybe 2 enhanced hammers one escape rope and a psychic energy
 
This is what I'm going to try
##Pokémon - 13

* 2 Shaymin-EX ROS 77
* 3 Croagunk STS 58
* 3 Toxicroak STS 59
* 1 Beedrill-EX PR-XY XY157
* 2 Mareanie SM 62
* 2 Toxapex SM 63

##Trainer Cards - 36

* 2 Silent Lab PRC 140
* 1 Parallel City BKT 145
* 3 Level Ball NXD 89
* 2 Super Rod BKT 149
* 4 Crushing Hammer SM 115
* 4 VS Seeker PHF 109
* 2 Trainers' Mail ROS 92
* 4 Ultra Ball ROS 93
* 1 Brigette BKT 134
* 2 Lysandre AOR 78
* 3 Professor Sycamore BKP 107
* 3 N FAC 105
* 2 Enhanced Hammer PHF 94
* 3 Float Stone BKT 137

##Energy - 11

* 5 Fighting Energy XYEnergy 3
* 2 Psychic Energy 5
* 4 Strong Energy FAC 115

Total Cards - 60
 
I like this new list a lot! have you considered maybe using Shrine of Memories as your stadium so you can use Poison Up? not sure how well it'll work but it may be worth testing...
 
jessalakasam said:
I like this new list a lot! have you considered maybe using Shrine of Memories as your stadium so you can use Poison Up? not sure how well it'll work but it may be worth testing...
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ShoM is actually good because i was trying to figure out a way to get croagunk involved more while abusing toxicroaks ability. Depending on how stuff is played in your area you can switch the Silent Labs for ShoM
 
Played about thirty games and as soon as the infinite lock comes in they auto quit. won 16 of the 30 that was played so 50% win ratio lol
This was with list i posted earlier
 
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