Shaymin vs. Emolga
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Having Played Rayeels for teh majority of Cities and online, I have to say I prefer Shaymin in Rayeels for the simple fact it does have the one retreat cost, making my deck not have to play with just 7 energy once I use Shaymin to CFF. The argument that Emolga resists LandorusEX shouldn't really be relevant since LandorusEX is only a massive threat if it can catcher a Tynamo and KO+30 on a benched Tynamo. Let's face it, one 30HP Snipe isn't going to break a good Eels deck.
That being said, I've changed my deck-building (possibly in relation to 2-3 articles about Rayeels talking about this very concept) to something more like DNA, with more search cards instead of CFF. It's nice to have T1, but a burden any other time (Not to mention I'd like to start VictiniEX against any non-water deck =P)
That being said, I've changed my deck-building (possibly in relation to 2-3 articles about Rayeels talking about this very concept) to something more like DNA, with more search cards instead of CFF. It's nice to have T1, but a burden any other time (Not to mention I'd like to start VictiniEX against any non-water deck =P)
It depends on the metagame. If lasers still see play I'll stick with Emolga because free retreat + switch has saved me so many times before. So has a late game energy switch off of Emolga. If lasers aren't a thing, then I'd consider Shaymin, but I'd probably just play more search items.
RogueChomp said:
It could still happen early game. If all your eels are dead (which is a very real possibility.), or it's still early game and you haven't happened to get your Eels or your Keldeo out yet, I'm coming at your Shaymin and stalling. Especially if I play something like Sableye or Dowsing Machine, which would make the early-game Catcher less hurtful later on. In addition to this, you can push Emolga up at the beginning of your turn, which would allow you to use all of your Dynomotors to something either already on the bench, or something you just played down that turn because your bench was full on the previous, and you would not have to waste an energy to retreat it like you would with Shaymin. (Or Keldeo, assuming you have it out.)
I just want it on the record that I agree with DNA in that you should ideally be running neither Emolga nor Shaymin, if possible.
What? If I have no Eels or Keldeo, you would go full force attack and try to kill Tynamos. Why in god's name would you stall, unless you have a horrible hand.
SheNinja said:
I put a posting up about Genesect-EX but ill post it here
Genesect-EX (Team Plasma)
Type: Grass
Hit Points: 170
Weakness: [F]x2
resistance: None
retreat cost:[C]
Ability:"Red Signal" Whenever you attach a Plasma Energy from your hand to this Pokémon, you may switch 1 of your opponent's Benched Pokémon with his or her Active Pokémon.
Attack:"Megalo Cannon"
Cost: [G][G][C]
DMG:100
Affect:This attack does 20 damage to 1 of your opponent's Benched Pokémon. (Don't apply Weakness or Resistance for Benched Pokémon.)
Also,
With Virizion-EX Ability:"Fresh Grass" Each of your Pokémon that has any [G]Energy attached to it is not affected by Special Conditions. (Heal any Special Conditions affecting each of your Pokémon that has any [G]Energy attached to it.)
And Virizion NV as a reprint in Megalo Cannon.,,Shaymin would be useful.
It won't change anything as they both attack for Colorless. Maybe with Virizion's ability but it says [G] energy so any Pokemon can abuse it so Emolga is still better. Also, there are better starters than Emolga/Shaymin (non EX) for the deck.
That's why Cobalion EX is gonna be Landy's new BFF
I foresee that the next incarnation of Big Basics and GarboLand will swap mewtwo ex for Cobalion EX for obvious reasons: Landy takes down Thundurus EX, Cobalion takes care of Kyurem
DNA said:
Jakeupp said:
The whole point is that Cobalion wrecks PlasmaBox's means of properly setting up. While they struggle to keep energy on the field, that gives you enough time to KO Kyurem before it becomes a problem.
Of course, this is assuming you are playing Klinklang. Cobalion alone cannot successfully counter Kyurem. This is because they can KO Cobalion with an EX before it sets up and not even need to use Kyurem.
However, Klinklang can use Cobalion as a Kyurem counter because it is immune to everything else they would otherwise have set up, save Absol or Snorlax, and have the time to 2HKO Kyurem.
Overall, Emolga is better. However, Shaymin is not too bad.
:
-they both have 70HP
-they both have two attacks
-their first attack is same
-their weakness is 2x for both, however, with Emolga, it's weakness is the same type as itself; most people wouldn't battle electric vs. electric
-Emolga has a resistance and no retreat cost; it's the opposite for Shaymin
-Shaymin requires 2 basic energy cards, while Emolga only requires one
-Emolga's attack does less damage but only 10 less if you get tails on Shaymin's attack
-Shaymin could possibly heal 30 damage though
For each similarity they get one point as well as one point for each advantage:
Emolga: 7
Shaymin:4
:
-they both have 70HP
-they both have two attacks
-their first attack is same
-their weakness is 2x for both, however, with Emolga, it's weakness is the same type as itself; most people wouldn't battle electric vs. electric
-Emolga has a resistance and no retreat cost; it's the opposite for Shaymin
-Shaymin requires 2 basic energy cards, while Emolga only requires one
-Emolga's attack does less damage but only 10 less if you get tails on Shaymin's attack
-Shaymin could possibly heal 30 damage though
For each similarity they get one point as well as one point for each advantage:
Emolga: 7
Shaymin:4
Seismitoad537 said:
My opinion on the Shaymin vs Emolga on bold. It was always Emolga > Shaymin because of the free retreat. But now with Thundurus getting in the format, Emolga can be DONK easily by one of the (probably) most common decks of the future format. Emolga would do better against Landorus but will go down against Thundurus. Your decision is if you would prefer surviving against Big Basic (assuming they start Landorus) or surviving Plasma Box (assuming they start Thundurus). Of course the other attacks can help in some situations (depending if you are running the necessary energy) even though it will probably not happen. Emolga also gets the free retreat if you don't have an attacker ready for next turn so you can retreat if you get one. It also helps with having it active (if another one of your Pokemon gets KO'ed) to attach to a bench Pokemon with eels.
Seismitoad537 said:
But let's face it, you're only ever going to use either of those cards for Call For Family. It's the whole point of playing these cards.
I say I like Shaymin better, my girlfriend runs it and it works a charm getting that energy into the discard. I suppose it does depend on what you see more at league (PlasmaBox or Big Basics), and if you run a good number of Energy Switch then it doesn't really matter if you do play Emolga.
Personal opinion, they'll both be absolutely nullified when we get Plasma Blast (Megalo Cannon) seeing as Genesect (non-EX) is a 100HP Call For Family beast.