This is for you kids who don't know what star wars really is about:
It's time you kids learn about the old times, dammit.
It's time you kids learn about the old times, dammit.
Star Wars - "Episode VII: The Force Awakens", spin-off movies & "Rebels"
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Too bad that the movies are now floating in a universe with almost no backgroung, with this being constructed with mobile games and possible other ways to exploit profit. I hope that Kyle Katarn returns in some way.
Wow, absolutely zero discussion on TFA and it's been out for the entire weekend. We have spoiler tags if you're afraid of spoiling something, y'know.
Absolutely had a blast from start to finish. The new actors were great in their performance and chemistry. Oscar and John's relationship was great ("because it's the right thing to do" "you need a pilot" "I need a pilot"). I definitely want to see more of them together in Episode 8 because they just clicked. Daisy and John had some amazing moments throughout. They also mixed in well with the OT cast, which was probably the hardest thing JJ tried to find balance with during production. Adam Driver actually made me care for Kylo Ren's future. He's pretty much what we wanted Anakin to be in the prequels instead of what we got. It's great to see a complicated villain like him done right. Harrison's performance was probably the greatest in the film. It's a damn shame this will be his last time in Star Wars.
no force ghost 4 u solo : ((((( (oh god, we're probably going to get hayden christensen force ghost to guide rey or ben solo OH GOD NO)
Yeah, it rhymed with ANH, and the CGI was still there, but both of these things were not in your face. After a while, I stopped noticing the similarities with ANH and the practical effects definitely hid a lot of the CGI. If I had any other gripe, it's that the destruction of the Republic Senate (which was not on Coruscant, btw) had no emotional gravity to it like the destruction of Alderaan. Sure, they can expand on the effects of its destruction in Episode 8, but it literally had no meaning to the characters we were following. The only point to that was to show off the power of Starkiller Base and possibly setup the future climate in the upcoming films. I also like to think that maybe it was a little jab at the prequels as a big middle finger to the politics that littered those films.
Oh, and I don't think Rey is necessarily a Mary Sue. She's a scavenger, so it only makes sense she'd know about the technology she was collecting. This would help her in understanding how the parts in the Millennium Falcon work and how to fly it. Her ability with the lightsaber is not a stretch considering her weapon of choice to defend herself before was a staff. She was able to beat Kylo Ren because 1) Kylo got shot with the bowcaster, which was shown to be insanely powerful multiple times in the film, 2) Finn got a lucky hit off on him before going down, and 3) her abilities in the force were growing by the second. If it turns out in later films that she is a Skywalker, which seems likely considering that's the typical trend in Star Wars, her natural abilities will only make more sense. Do we want to see that same trope again? Nah. Does it help fill plot holes left by this film? Yah.
I'd rank it behind V and IV, tied with or even above VI, and well above the prequels. I wouldn't call it perfect for a Star Wars film, but it definitely brings back that magical feeling I got from the OT. Characters, humor, and the background were all great and definitely carried this film.
Closing Comment: Oh man, I do not regret buying a BB-8 toy. Great character and provided a lot of heart. I do regret buying a Captain Phasma figure. Holy shit, it's almost ironic she got thrown in the trash to fulfill a crappy reference hahahahaha.
no force ghost 4 u solo : ((((( (oh god, we're probably going to get hayden christensen force ghost to guide rey or ben solo OH GOD NO)
Yeah, it rhymed with ANH, and the CGI was still there, but both of these things were not in your face. After a while, I stopped noticing the similarities with ANH and the practical effects definitely hid a lot of the CGI. If I had any other gripe, it's that the destruction of the Republic Senate (which was not on Coruscant, btw) had no emotional gravity to it like the destruction of Alderaan. Sure, they can expand on the effects of its destruction in Episode 8, but it literally had no meaning to the characters we were following. The only point to that was to show off the power of Starkiller Base and possibly setup the future climate in the upcoming films. I also like to think that maybe it was a little jab at the prequels as a big middle finger to the politics that littered those films.
Oh, and I don't think Rey is necessarily a Mary Sue. She's a scavenger, so it only makes sense she'd know about the technology she was collecting. This would help her in understanding how the parts in the Millennium Falcon work and how to fly it. Her ability with the lightsaber is not a stretch considering her weapon of choice to defend herself before was a staff. She was able to beat Kylo Ren because 1) Kylo got shot with the bowcaster, which was shown to be insanely powerful multiple times in the film, 2) Finn got a lucky hit off on him before going down, and 3) her abilities in the force were growing by the second. If it turns out in later films that she is a Skywalker, which seems likely considering that's the typical trend in Star Wars, her natural abilities will only make more sense. Do we want to see that same trope again? Nah. Does it help fill plot holes left by this film? Yah.
I'd rank it behind V and IV, tied with or even above VI, and well above the prequels. I wouldn't call it perfect for a Star Wars film, but it definitely brings back that magical feeling I got from the OT. Characters, humor, and the background were all great and definitely carried this film.
Closing Comment: Oh man, I do not regret buying a BB-8 toy. Great character and provided a lot of heart. I do regret buying a Captain Phasma figure. Holy shit, it's almost ironic she got thrown in the trash to fulfill a crappy reference hahahahaha.
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The movie was undoubtedly the best movie I've seen all year. The actors were great, and all the new characters felt right at home. The movie also had some funny bits and references, such as the trash compactor one, which is a likely reference to a new hope. The movie also had some very funny lines and banter [I especially loved C-3PO's line "You probably didn't recognize me because of this red arm." and "What about that one?" "That one's garbage!" *other ship blows up* "Garbage ship it is."], though it did bug me that neither C-3PO nor RD-D2 had much of a role to play. BB-8 was adorable, though. I also loved that all the original actors for the main crew came back, like Carrie Fisher as princess Leia. It was very nice to see how they all aged.
Harrison Ford was amazing as Han Solo. He definitely hasn't lost it after 30 or so years since return of the jedi, and it's a real shame that will be his last star wars movie. [RIP one of the greatest characters in movie history, by the way. Poor Han.]
The rest of the returning actors, who I don't know their names outside of Carrie Fisher, were pretty spectacular as well, even if none of them outside of Chewbacca and Han Solo were as important, and the characters fell into their roles easily, though this movie mostly focused on the newer characters, so I'll touch on them now.
Now, I don't know the actor's names, so I'll go by character name.
Rey might be my favourite new addition to the cast. She's probably a Skywalker, and that makes her cool. She's also really good with technology [and I loved when she put on the ARC-170 pilot's helmet.], though this is probably because she lives in a broken AT-AT and scavenges through a Star Destroyer.
Finn was cool, too, though kind of a hit-or-miss for me. It took me a while to get used to him, [especially since the trailers made me think he was the jedi.] and he felt a bit like a sidekick, but he was still cool, and since him and captain Phasma are the only stormtroopers that actually have any relevance to any plot of any star wars movie ever, they get major points there. Speaking of captain Phasma, while she's arguably the most unimportant villain in the series, she is actually the first female villain in the movie series, which is nice.
Kylo Ren... oh boy, do I hate this character. As a villain, he's barely passable in my opinion. He's a callous, timid coward who is extremely prone to throwing temper tantrums and breaking everything, go figure. He feels to immature and unprofessional to be a star wars villain, and I do hope he went down with Starkiller base.
Harrison Ford was amazing as Han Solo. He definitely hasn't lost it after 30 or so years since return of the jedi, and it's a real shame that will be his last star wars movie. [RIP one of the greatest characters in movie history, by the way. Poor Han.]
The rest of the returning actors, who I don't know their names outside of Carrie Fisher, were pretty spectacular as well, even if none of them outside of Chewbacca and Han Solo were as important, and the characters fell into their roles easily, though this movie mostly focused on the newer characters, so I'll touch on them now.
Now, I don't know the actor's names, so I'll go by character name.
Rey might be my favourite new addition to the cast. She's probably a Skywalker, and that makes her cool. She's also really good with technology [and I loved when she put on the ARC-170 pilot's helmet.], though this is probably because she lives in a broken AT-AT and scavenges through a Star Destroyer.
Finn was cool, too, though kind of a hit-or-miss for me. It took me a while to get used to him, [especially since the trailers made me think he was the jedi.] and he felt a bit like a sidekick, but he was still cool, and since him and captain Phasma are the only stormtroopers that actually have any relevance to any plot of any star wars movie ever, they get major points there. Speaking of captain Phasma, while she's arguably the most unimportant villain in the series, she is actually the first female villain in the movie series, which is nice.
Kylo Ren... oh boy, do I hate this character. As a villain, he's barely passable in my opinion. He's a callous, timid coward who is extremely prone to throwing temper tantrums and breaking everything, go figure. He feels to immature and unprofessional to be a star wars villain, and I do hope he went down with Starkiller base.
That's the point of his character, though. He hides his insecurities behind this blanket he created in the image of his grandpa, Darth Vader. He wants to be Vader, he wants to "finish what he started", and he wants to be free from the pull of the light. This is why he kills his father, as he sees it as something that keeps the light in him alive (it's why he says "thank you", as Han's death "frees" him). Also, the temper tantrums are another homage to Vader; if you recall in ESB, he keeps killing his admirals for their failure, which is silly since it just hurts the Empire. Kylo's temper is not like the prequel Anakin (verbal) but more of Vader's in how he took out his anger on his own men (in Kylo's case, equipment and men).
Outside of the mask, another dimension to the character is experienced. We see someone who is afraid and fearful. The image of fear and power he tries to convey are gone. This is what makes him a great character going forward. With Vader, we didn't get another dimension to him until RotJ. The audience wants to know how the character strengthens himself, and if he falls farther or closer to the light. Kylo is also interesting because we've never seen a character want the dark side this much. Seeing his past and future is one of the greatest things to look forward to.
Also, Snoke tells Hux to retrieve Kylo. He has plot armor until Episode 9 due to the fact that his name is Ben Freaking Solo.
It's actually a Rebel pilot helmet, probably from Gold Squadron (Y-Wings) due to the color. She also has a doll of a Rebel Pilot in her home. Either it's more hints to her parents, or she's just as big of a fan of Star Wars as we are. Leaning towards the latter due to the Kessel Run reference haha.
I guess that means he's designed well, but while Vader may have killed his own men [which is silly, I agree], but when Vader did it, it felt cold, calculated, menacing. Here it just feels like a temper tantrum, if you get what I mean. He also feels out of place compared to the other sith, who were either Sadistic [Palpatine], Calculating, [Dooku, Vader] or had no personality whatsoever. [Come on, Darth Maul.] He's whiny, callous, pathetic, and prone to tantrums and it grinds my gears. Even if he is designed well.
Actually, Ren's lightsaber design hints at being afraid and insecure. If you look at it, it's got extra blades on the side. They're small. why? As shown when he battles Finn, he can press them into an opponent's shoulders during deadlock, and there's nothing your opponent can do about it. Why shoulders? Because if you wound the shoulders, your opponent has trouble using their arms, thus having issues using their lightsaber. Ren is worried that he can't beat opponents, so he added something to give him an advantage.
You're right here. Though, he doesn't feel menacing at all to me. Like, Darth Vader was menacing. He killed his own men when they failed and didn't care about anyone or anything until his final moments. Darth Sidious was calculating. He had this planned for earlier than TPM, he's the kind of person who is willing to wait forever to ascend to ultimate power, and his ability backs it up. He's not someone you want to meet, considering he very nearly beat Yoda. You know, the one all-powerful Jedi Grandmaster? Darth Maul, while lacking any sort of redeeming personality, is completely terrifying. His appearance is designed to strike fear into the hearts of any foe he comes across, thus offsetting every Jedi's force abilities and preventing them from being truly centred. And unlike Ren's 'edge tactic', this one makes sense. Fear is one of the paths to the dark side, so it's only natural for a sith to use fear. He just doesn't really fit in.
So you're telling me he can be mortally wounded on an exploding planet and live because plot armor?
Oh. They look so similar. Also, based on her reactions to meeting Han and Chewie, I'm going with the second one. It's been 32 years canonically, so it makes sense that it would become the things of legend.
Also, on a side note, my favourite movie in the series is actually the phantom menace. I can't really explain why, though.
This movie felt like two great movies mashed into one. It's fast-paced, unfocused, it has terrible plotting, horribly forced references to the OT, and even worse, hardwired in its very DNA, deus ex machinas to spare, and unexplained characters.
They never give a historical context for the Republic, the First order and the Resistance, instead, you need to go to other media, and that's always bad.
In everything else, it's utterly magnificent. It's visually stunning, its photography is bright and colorful without going overboard, its costume, prop and set design is masterful, sound design is a bit underwhelming, save for Rey's theme, but John williams' hiccuping would be better than almost anything else out there, so it's still wonderful. The cinematography was very good, save for a few shots that felt out of place. The humor was good, but it could have done without it; it doesn't hurt it, at least. The acting is all splendid; everyone has great chemistry, and Ford definitely was at his best here, even when he's been wanting to kill Han Solo since Empire.
The plot, though? disappointing. The references to the OT became increasingly annoying as it became obvious that they weren't just momentary gags, but they were in the very heart of the thing; I won't even list them, because they're just obvious.
I feel they should have put all the OT pandering and initial character development on a separate miniseries, or some other newfangled internet thing, instead of trying to overwork their running time with so many things to do and show; the movie would have been great if it had been its own thing, with a slower pacing and more character-driven instead of rushing through things so they could show everything people expected.
The First Order is heavily inspired by the Templar knights for their Force side (Kylo ren's garb and broadsword-like saber, Snoke's black marble temple-conference room), while the military side takes after the nazi SS; their uniforms, Nux's speech, the cinematography during their rally is exactly like those of nazi rallies, etc.
Using the hilt guards to inflict damage was novel, though. I like that.
They never give a historical context for the Republic, the First order and the Resistance, instead, you need to go to other media, and that's always bad.
In everything else, it's utterly magnificent. It's visually stunning, its photography is bright and colorful without going overboard, its costume, prop and set design is masterful, sound design is a bit underwhelming, save for Rey's theme, but John williams' hiccuping would be better than almost anything else out there, so it's still wonderful. The cinematography was very good, save for a few shots that felt out of place. The humor was good, but it could have done without it; it doesn't hurt it, at least. The acting is all splendid; everyone has great chemistry, and Ford definitely was at his best here, even when he's been wanting to kill Han Solo since Empire.
The plot, though? disappointing. The references to the OT became increasingly annoying as it became obvious that they weren't just momentary gags, but they were in the very heart of the thing; I won't even list them, because they're just obvious.
Rey is a mary sue; I'm thrilled at having a female jedi main character in star wars, but I could go on and on about how she's seemingly the Best At Everything (I can buy her understanding languages and being good with technology, but there's no reason that justifies why she was able to do in the first movie force things that took Luke years to learn, like the Mind trick, Telekinesis and Force speed, Enlightenment or whatever she did to defeat Kylo ren. That's all deus ex machina, and it's bad storytelling), and the Darling Of Everyone (han dies, and Leia comforts her? (not to mention, we got that instead of Chewie and Leia grieving); Finn knew her for a few days and he's ready to risk the mission to go to the planet to get her back? and she gets to keep the falcon?).
Phasma was a waste of a character; she was obviously there for the chromey action figures; the flamethrower stormtrooper had more presence than she did. It's boba fett all over again.
Kylo ren was ridiculous; he's built as, essentially, a fanboy (something he shares with Finn and Rey); the movie wants to make him an Icon analogous to vader by visual cues and plot treatment, but at the same time they want him to be a tragic hero.
He's not; he's a whiny, privileged, impulsive little asshole who dresses up like his grandpa because he has some serious issues, but the movie's schizophrenic pacing undermines him at every step while also trying to establish him as intimidating (the stormtroopers turning back when he's destroying the interrogation room, his taking the mask for the first time when he interrogates Rey instead of saving that moment of vulnerability to his encounter with Han, etc).
He's not; he's a whiny, privileged, impulsive little asshole who dresses up like his grandpa because he has some serious issues, but the movie's schizophrenic pacing undermines him at every step while also trying to establish him as intimidating (the stormtroopers turning back when he's destroying the interrogation room, his taking the mask for the first time when he interrogates Rey instead of saving that moment of vulnerability to his encounter with Han, etc).
Maz kanata is yoda. Period. She's yoda. Again. We had a Yoda. We don't need a new one.
BB-8 is almost too adorable; too obviously and unsubtly built and played for cuteness. I still love him.
Poe is the best. I want a videogame about him. His scenes with Finn are all overflowing with emotion, and it feels oddly appropriate, unlike other things in the movie.
There was very little about Finn in the movie; somehow he decides he doesn't want to kill anyone on his first mission, but later is perfectly okay with mowing down a whole hangar of stormtroopers and First order officers to escape? that's horrible character development, and having him not kill anyone in the mission to Jakku seems something disney wanted (we can't show a protagonist killing unarmed civilians! just make him realize the horror of what he is involved in, despite his programming, on his own; that makes perfect sense!). Again, he and Poe deserve a buddy cop movie of their own, without Rey to steal their spotlight (because you know she would).
I feel they should have put all the OT pandering and initial character development on a separate miniseries, or some other newfangled internet thing, instead of trying to overwork their running time with so many things to do and show; the movie would have been great if it had been its own thing, with a slower pacing and more character-driven instead of rushing through things so they could show everything people expected.
(that final sequence after Rey leaves should not have been there; it was only to justify hamill's billing, in detriment of the movie)
The First Order is heavily inspired by the Templar knights for their Force side (Kylo ren's garb and broadsword-like saber, Snoke's black marble temple-conference room), while the military side takes after the nazi SS; their uniforms, Nux's speech, the cinematography during their rally is exactly like those of nazi rallies, etc.
Using the hilt guards to inflict damage was novel, though. I like that.
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Just think of it as Chewie's, with her there to help because it's a 2-person ship and she's good with technology and stuff and Han was going to hire her anyways.
Well, I didn't see chewie in the pilot's seat.
I could have lived with that; after all, he would have been essentially driving her to Luke.
I could have lived with that; after all, he would have been essentially driving her to Luke.
Maybe Chewie only knows how to copilot? I don't know. Remember, he hasn't piloted the thing in any of the movies...
Guys.
GUYS.
IT'S HAPPENING
MOVIE 8
http://news.yahoo.com/star-wars-spoilers-episode-8-161522884.html
GUYS.
IT'S HAPPENING
MOVIE 8
http://news.yahoo.com/star-wars-spoilers-episode-8-161522884.html
This is a concise argument for how disappointing it was; I would go even farther and say this was a four-episode miniseries prior to the actual movie that somehow ended up being recut and marketed as the movie; I'm really hoping that in some cutting room somewhere there are a few hours' worth of exposition, character development and plot hole fixing that ended up cut for time constraints and rating concerns.
I also feel part of it probably falls down on Disney and their Marvel universe approach to filmmaking, where each movie is the setup for something else instead of their own thing (and for this one add all the baggage coming from a dedicated fanbase and iconic prequels); putting so much in so little time and just leaving threads to be closed by the spin-offs and sequels leads to character overpopulation and shoddy storytelling.
I'm still uncertain about Star Wars Episode VII.
I enjoyed the movie for sure but it just didn't have anything rememberable
-No memorable ''classic'' scenes
-No memorable OST
-No memorable Dialogue
Also way too many coincidences for my taste:
First Rey finds BB-8, which as far as I remember was going nowhere in particular on a giant planet, then Fin crashing very close to where Rey lives. He encounters her. Then they escape together in the Millenium Falchion, which ofcourse happens to be on Jakku, ready to fly away. Then they randomly bump into Han-Solo's Heavy Freighter. I can go on for a while but you get what I'm saying. I hope we get more explanation in the next movie and less mysterious characters and coincidences.
Also way too many similarities to the original Trilogy...
Another Death Star? For real? And it was defeated just as easily as Its predecessor? Why bother making it so big then? Please tell me I'm not the only one that was reminded of a Pokéball.
I don't like the term overrated, but some people are definitely giving this movie a little too much praise. maybe that's because they didn't want to be disappointed. (again)
I enjoyed the movie for sure but it just didn't have anything rememberable
-No memorable ''classic'' scenes
-No memorable OST
-No memorable Dialogue
Also way too many coincidences for my taste:
First Rey finds BB-8, which as far as I remember was going nowhere in particular on a giant planet, then Fin crashing very close to where Rey lives. He encounters her. Then they escape together in the Millenium Falchion, which ofcourse happens to be on Jakku, ready to fly away. Then they randomly bump into Han-Solo's Heavy Freighter. I can go on for a while but you get what I'm saying. I hope we get more explanation in the next movie and less mysterious characters and coincidences.
Also way too many similarities to the original Trilogy...
Another Death Star? For real? And it was defeated just as easily as Its predecessor? Why bother making it so big then? Please tell me I'm not the only one that was reminded of a Pokéball.
I don't like the term overrated, but some people are definitely giving this movie a little too much praise. maybe that's because they didn't want to be disappointed. (again)
General Grievous breaks logic. In the Clone Wars episode, Grievous Intrigue, General Grievous faces off against Obi-Wan Kenobi with 2 magnaguards. Kenobi takes one of the Electrostaffs after destroying the Magnaguards. Grievous proceeds to use all 4 lightsabers to break the Electrostaff.
What's the issue with this?
The issue arises due to the Electrostaff being made of Beskar, an alloy strong enough to withstand lightsaber strikes, as shown less than a minute before.
So either Beskar isn't imprenetrable, it's an oversight, or Grievous's strength is strong enough to defy conventional logic.
What's the issue with this?
The issue arises due to the Electrostaff being made of Beskar, an alloy strong enough to withstand lightsaber strikes, as shown less than a minute before.
So either Beskar isn't imprenetrable, it's an oversight, or Grievous's strength is strong enough to defy conventional logic.
I went to see the movie while already expecting little... and I was still a bit disappointed. Really ecological, admittedly. So many scenes recycled and slightly altered, it's boring. A guy who was with me at the cinema said the film was more or less a compilation of episodes 4, 5 and 6, with slight changes, and I'm inclined to agree. Nothing that would make me praise it. It was mediocre.
And Kylo Ren has to be one of the worst characters I've ever seen in a movie. Seriously, a Darth Vader fanboy? Are you kidding me?
On the technological and acting part it was good, at least. Nice SFX, at least decent acting (sad about Han, but Harrison Ford was great) and overall well-made. Too bad that plot-wise it sucks.
And Kylo Ren has to be one of the worst characters I've ever seen in a movie. Seriously, a Darth Vader fanboy? Are you kidding me?
On the technological and acting part it was good, at least. Nice SFX, at least decent acting (sad about Han, but Harrison Ford was great) and overall well-made. Too bad that plot-wise it sucks.
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All in all, the movie was highly enjoyable for me. Decent storyline and stellar effects. (Haha, get it? Stellar? Like stars? ....no?)
However, I have several complaints.
Those are my thoughts! If I messed up any information, please correct me.
However, I have several complaints.
I really don't like how she just happened to live where the Falchion was, and suddenly knew how to pilot it, despite clearly being unable to afford such a craft for 90% of her life. If she could afford a ship like that, she would have used it to get tons more junk than the meager bags she brought the trader. How the hawk did she know how to fly the Falchion?!
Also, I really hate how she had known practically nothing about the Force her entire life, and then suddenly in a moment of crisis she could control people's minds and levitate things to her. That took Luke forever to learn, if I remember correctly. How come she didn't have to have super training like he did?!
And if Kylo Ren had training in the Force, how did she, a complete newbie, possibly overpower his grip on the lightsaber (during the battle scene)?!
Also, I really hate how she had known practically nothing about the Force her entire life, and then suddenly in a moment of crisis she could control people's minds and levitate things to her. That took Luke forever to learn, if I remember correctly. How come she didn't have to have super training like he did?!
And if Kylo Ren had training in the Force, how did she, a complete newbie, possibly overpower his grip on the lightsaber (during the battle scene)?!
I really don't understand him. For one, if he was taught that killing is okay since birth, why the hawk did he think it wrong to kill those villagers? Second, when he ran away, why did he suddenly think, "Oh yeah, it's okay to do the exact thing I ran away from them for? Let's shoot them even though I hate that they shoot people!" What the hawk is wrong with that dude?
Also, it seems the villager event was the first mission he had doubts about. Seriously, if someone will switch sides on the first mission, I'm not sure I'd want him on my team, either.
Another complaint: Fin trains in guns. Blasters. Laser shooters. Whatever you want to call them.
Why is it that suddenly... "LIGHTSABER! I can do fancy sword moves!" He was not Kylo Ren, he would have no reason to get any training with a lightsaber. How the hawk did he know how to use it? Kylo Ren should have destroyed him 75 times faster than he did.
Also, it seems the villager event was the first mission he had doubts about. Seriously, if someone will switch sides on the first mission, I'm not sure I'd want him on my team, either.
Another complaint: Fin trains in guns. Blasters. Laser shooters. Whatever you want to call them.
Why is it that suddenly... "LIGHTSABER! I can do fancy sword moves!" He was not Kylo Ren, he would have no reason to get any training with a lightsaber. How the hawk did he know how to use it? Kylo Ren should have destroyed him 75 times faster than he did.
Yes, this guy was adorable. So stinking adorable that I was upset I didn't get to hug him.
But despite his cuteness, I felt he was simply a replacement for R2-D2. Beepy-boops, practically no battle skill, and was mainly a tag-along with practically the same personality. He also lacked a C3PO to balance him.
But despite his cuteness, I felt he was simply a replacement for R2-D2. Beepy-boops, practically no battle skill, and was mainly a tag-along with practically the same personality. He also lacked a C3PO to balance him.
Holy fuzzbuckets, what a whiny crybaby. He throws temper-tantrums and blows stuff up if the slightest error is made. Disney's attempt to make him a new Darth Vader epically failed. They even reused the whole "raised metal walkways over a chasm" scenery from Luke's iconic scene with Vader. At least Han didn't say, "I am your father," but still. This guy will more likely be remembered as Tantrum Boy than a second Vader.
Now to my favorite thing: the lightsaber fight scene!
Kylo yells to Fin, "Traitor!!"
My thought is: "How the hawk do you call him a traitor when YOU JUST KILLED YOUR OWN FLIPPING FATHER?!!"
I was very disappointed that neither Rey nor Fin pointed out this fact. It may have even helped Ren switch to the good side, had it been stated.
Now to my favorite thing: the lightsaber fight scene!
Kylo yells to Fin, "Traitor!!"
My thought is: "How the hawk do you call him a traitor when YOU JUST KILLED YOUR OWN FLIPPING FATHER?!!"
I was very disappointed that neither Rey nor Fin pointed out this fact. It may have even helped Ren switch to the good side, had it been stated.
It made me sad that Phasma had generally no purpose. Hawk, I didn't even know her name before reading this thread here. For that matter, I didn't know any of the bad guys' names other than Kylo Ren.
Other characters that weren't used well were R2-D2 and C3PO. They didn't have much of a role in the movie. Hopefully in 8; I missed those sarcastic comments.
My final complaint was this: The whole "legendary hero goes missing" scenario felt very cliche and cheesy to me. It may just be a personal preference, though.
Other characters that weren't used well were R2-D2 and C3PO. They didn't have much of a role in the movie. Hopefully in 8; I missed those sarcastic comments.
My final complaint was this: The whole "legendary hero goes missing" scenario felt very cliche and cheesy to me. It may just be a personal preference, though.
Those are my thoughts! If I messed up any information, please correct me.
Wasn't expecting much from the beginning and it was the case. The whole film was a deja vu.
I wouldn't want this guy on the good side, after what he did.
In the end, overall, I enjoyed the film despite it's glaring flaws, though. I liked it more than Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, but less than all the others.
Anyways, I've got a theory pertaining to Rebels.
At some point during season 2 [think it's episode 4], Ezra, Sabine, Zeb, and Chopper are exploring an abandoned republic medical station. Upon there, the Seventh Sister inquisitor [pictured below] finds them and captures Ezra while another inquisitor goes to find Sabine.
Now, I think we've seen the Seventh Sister before, back in the clone wars. Who do I think she is, you ask?
I think she's Bariss Offee.
Bariss Offee was a Mirialan Female Jedi Knight who eventually fell to the dark side and was convicted of crimes against the republic after a long duel with Anakin Skywalker, with her final fate being unknown.
The Seventh Sister is a Female Mirialan inquisitor who, when she talked with Ezra, seemed to hint at being alive in the clone wars. What she said about Kanan and how she said it implies that she was a Jedi Knight at the time of the clone wars. She also seems to know Ahsoka.
Even a physical comparison might help:
Now, there are some difference, but bear in mind that Bariss was in jail for a few years, so she would realistically look different.
Also, how else would she know about an abandoned republic medical base if it was in the co-ordinates that Rex said the empire doesn't know about it? Bariss was a jedi healer, so naturally she'd know the locations.
It sort of makes sense, at least in my head. Only time will tell.
Now, I think we've seen the Seventh Sister before, back in the clone wars. Who do I think she is, you ask?
I think she's Bariss Offee.
Bariss Offee was a Mirialan Female Jedi Knight who eventually fell to the dark side and was convicted of crimes against the republic after a long duel with Anakin Skywalker, with her final fate being unknown.
The Seventh Sister is a Female Mirialan inquisitor who, when she talked with Ezra, seemed to hint at being alive in the clone wars. What she said about Kanan and how she said it implies that she was a Jedi Knight at the time of the clone wars. She also seems to know Ahsoka.
Even a physical comparison might help:
Now, there are some difference, but bear in mind that Bariss was in jail for a few years, so she would realistically look different.
Also, how else would she know about an abandoned republic medical base if it was in the co-ordinates that Rex said the empire doesn't know about it? Bariss was a jedi healer, so naturally she'd know the locations.
It sort of makes sense, at least in my head. Only time will tell.
EDIT: Bariss was originally going to commit suicide by blowing herself and the chamber up at the end of the wrong jedi arc, but executive producer Dave Filoni decided against it so she could be used again later.
Hmm....
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I liked it, I'll give it an 7.5/10. Could be an 9/10 but it felt like I was watching a fanfic ripoff of Episode 4 at times.