States Predictions

Cinema

Cinema

Gyarados Bait
Member
Hey, what do you guys think the States metagame is going to look like? What are the top tier decks? What decks do you predict will win, and what do you guys think is the BDIF? Of course, these will be only predictions and guesses since this format is undefined right now.
 
ZekEel seems to be the BDIF if we have to pick one. It's a shame, too, because of how list-based it is. I wouldn't be surprised if 95+% of the decks that top cut have Eelektrik or Terrakion.

Under ZekEel, the format is a bit of a mess. CaKE, Corners, CTM, EelZone, TyRam, and a couple other decks are very playable. A lot of people will be gunning to beat ZekEel, so the format will probably remain fairly diverse.
 
The only problem I can see with Eelektrik decks is Terrakion. A simple 2 card tech can rip apart the deck, especially without Magnezone to OHKO it. The only real counter I can see to it is Shaymin EX which isn't an easliy splashable tech, especially in Magnezone variants which are incredibly tight on space.
 
You just use Mewtwo against Terrakion, and try to remove them from play before they do too much damage. Zekrom-EX also OHKOs it, which can really disrupt the decks that can't accelerate energy to it.
 
Celebi23 said:
ZekEel seems to be the BDIF if we have to pick one. It's a shame, too, because of how list-based it is. I wouldn't be surprised if 95+% of the decks that top cut have Eelektrik or Terrakion.

Under ZekEel, the format is a bit of a mess. CaKE, Corners, CTM, EelZone, TyRam, and a couple other decks are very playable. A lot of people will be gunning to beat ZekEel, so the format will probably remain fairly diverse.
Click to expand...

How is ZekEel the BDIF eelzone is the clear BDIF? ZekEel performed very poorly at cities (although it was underplayed). I think the EXs just make magnezone stronger.
 
ZekEel at Cities consisted of Zekrom, Thundurus, and Tornadus attacking. Now, it consists of Mewtwo-EX, Zekrom-EX, and Zekrom. It's a completely different deck, and it's a thousand times better than the Cities version. The format is incredibly aggressive now. Magnezone was already a pretty slow deck, and it only gets slower with this new set. It's still a good play, but Magnezone isn't as necessary for heavy hitting with Mewtwo-EX and Zekrom-EX hitting for what's generally the same amount of damage, but faster and more efficiently.
 
cf11 said:
How is ZekEel the BDIF eelzone is the clear BDIF? ZekEel performed very poorly at cities (although it was underplayed). I think the EXs just make magnezone stronger.
Click to expand...

Most people think Terrakion will be played so much that Magnezone will really struggle. I do think that Terrakion might be too big of a threat right now for Eelzone to be the BDIF
 
EelZone just needs to run either Virizion NV or Shaymin EX to get around Terrakion and it should be fine, but like Celebi23 mentioned already Mewtwo EX is the better choice overall especially If there's still any players running Donphan left let alone Landorus. That and both of those Grass Types only have 110 HP where as Mewtwo has 170 HP, that 60 extra HP makes a HUGE difference especially If you're able to slap an Eviolite on it.

What we might witness at States this year may be the end of Stage 2's being a good competitive deck at all aside from Truth EX variants. You either run Basics or a mix between Basics and Stage 1's or you end up losing If you're running any Stage 2's and ironically the only Stage 2's that are competitive right now are Reuniclus and Vileplume. That's not a whole lot when you take Magnezone and Emboar out of the picture. Magnezone is still competitive but I got a bad feeling it's losing the luster it once had in the format.
 
Celebi23 said:
ZekEel at Cities consisted of Zekrom, Thundurus, and Tornadus attacking. Now, it consists of Mewtwo-EX, Zekrom-EX, and Zekrom. It's a completely different deck, and it's a thousand times better than the Cities version
Click to expand...

This is why I don't understand why people are still calling it ZekEels.

On topic, I don't think anything can be declared the clear BDIF right now. There are enough hard/soft counters out there that can give a considerable lead to your opponent that can be teched into anything that it will really just have to wait until states where mass testing and actual gameplay can occur.

Also, Virizion NV is a bad counter.
 
Not really, it requires you run grass or at least prism energy and only does 80 back to Terrakion. Mewtwo at least does that much and is already run in most decks and doesn't get KO'd back, as well.
 
Captain Oats said:
This is why I don't understand why people are still calling it ZekEels.

On topic, I don't think anything can be declared the clear BDIF right now. There are enough hard/soft counters out there that can give a considerable lead to your opponent that can be teched into anything that it will really just have to wait until states where mass testing and actual gameplay can occur.

Also, Virizion NV is a bad counter.
Click to expand...
Zekrom Eelektrik
I think CMT, Eelzone, or any other consistent or fast deck will do well.
 
I don't know how popular it will be, but Durant could do well in areas with less fire decks. It does have an unfortunate Eel matchup, But it's winnable if you have a few tricks up your sleeve.
 
pokemonjoe said:
Zekrom Eelektrik
Click to expand...

Thanks for that. It doesn't mean that the name should be recycled just because it has some of the same components but a completely different attacking front.
 
I think ZekEels will do great, with its amazing speed and consistensy. I'd like to see some rogue decks, and I think Durant will be very little, same with Reshiphlosion, a little more Reshiboar EX, a lot of MEZ, and a fair to a lot of MTC.
 
Captain Oats said:
Not really, it requires you run grass or at least prism energy and only does 80 back to Terrakion. Mewtwo at least does that much and is already run in most decks and doesn't get KO'd back, as well.
Click to expand...

For Virizion to KO Terrakion it has to use Leaf Wallop twice against it for the KO. 40 x 2 = 80 x 2 = 160 damage due to x2 Weakness to {G} and Terrakion only has 130 max HP.

I want to say that EelZone doesn't need to run Mewtwo EX to be good however Donphan is still somewhat played and just laughs at Virizion since it can 2HKO it for 120 damage with Earthquake, that and unlike Shaymin EX and Tornadus it doesn't have - 20 Resistance to Fighting.

Eviolite is it's best chance of surviving but If you're playing against Item Lock where they get Vileplume on Turn 3 you're screwed. Donphan and Vileplume are bad partners in crime and I'm surprised nobody ran Vileplume in D&D.
 
That's exactly what he just said. You 2HKO Terrakion, it 2HKOs you, and you have to run an energy you don't already run, decreasing consistency. How is that a counter in any way?
 
What's wrong with running Cilan to get the Grass needed to attack with Virizion? Inconsistent I guess? It's a prize trade off yes but at least they aren't EX's where both players get 2 prizes each thus making the situation even worse.

Maybe Tropius UD is a better counter, sure it has 90 HP but it's second attack costs only {C}{C}{C} for 40 damage being 80 damage to Terrakion and it has -20 {F} Resistance despite being weak to {L}. It can survive by 20 HP against Terrakion unless it's equipped with Eviolite where it only takes 50 damage instead of 70.

Tropius just needs a DCE and 1 of any energy to use Cutting Wind and since EelZone runs DCE for Zekrom EX that fits the bill nicely. The only problem is you need to watch out for Lost Remover and Crushing Hammer since those cards are on the rise due to the EX's using DCE like crazy. Durant runs those anti-energy cards like crazy but If you need a way to stall against Donphan and counter against Terrakion then Tropius might do the trick.
 
Dark Void said:
That's exactly what he just said. You 2HKO Terrakion, it 2HKOs you, and you have to run an energy you don't already run, decreasing consistency. How is that a counter in any way?
Click to expand...
^

Don't run Tropius, it really isn't great and has exactly one use that it isn't even good at.
 
Magneboar
The REV
eelzone
Zekeels
Tyram
MTC

All of those decks will win at least 3 states.

Also Yanmega Prime could help with Terrakion.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top