Stick to Your Guns

Equinox

Equinox

Stallwart Player
Member
Introduction​

Hello, as many of you know, I have stuck myself to some very silly and unorthodox teams, such as ones that like to Trick and others that love to Punch. In this take, I have been more serious in my team building, and from what I have seen from this team, could definitely fit up there in my Teams of Fame with the other two, but it needs more of a...kick to it. This team is also the result of my take on trying making the team as unique as possible, while staying in the bounds of the OU rain team. Anyways, without further ado, the team!
Changes in Bold​


At A Glance​

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Politoed (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Scald
- Toxic
- Perish Song
- Focus Blast

Albeit the common Politoed, it does both of its' jobs well; keeping up rain and harassing the foe. Scald makes for a good STAB, and the 30% burn chance doesn't hurt either. Toxic is something I chose over Hypnosis due to the fact that there are Keldeo around in this metagame, and that My Little Pony could easily try and set up in my face. Well, Toxic remedies this, making sure Keldeo doesn't get that free turn on me to use Calm Mind. If Toxic doesn't work, Perish Song comes in as a back up, and shoos away set up sweepers, unless they want to be KO'd. Focus Blast is for Ferrothorn. Now I bet you might be thinking "Why? That's terrible, take that out for Protect or Ice Beam!" All I have to say is; Ferrothorn. Ferrothorn does give this team a few problems, and if having Focus Blast lowers that problem, even by a bit, than I am fine by that.


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Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Technician
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- Bug Bite

Thanks to having a useful ability, as well as base 130 Attack stat, what other reason could you not resist having this monster bug on your team? Thanks to U-Turn, I can scout threats, and choose any of my Pokemon needed to take care of the threat sent in to dispose of Scizor. Bullet Punch is definitely the main move on Scizor, not only gaining STAB, Bullet Punch also gives Scizor priority, which takes quick care of faster threats in today's metagames, as well as finishing off faster, but weakened, Pokemon. Supoerpower gladly takes care of what the other moves of Scizor's arsenal cannot; Steel-types. Whether a predicted Heatran switch-in, or a Ferrothorn in the way, Superpower simply takes care of what would otherwise be un-hittable. I chose Bug Bite over Pursuit for a few reasons, namely the ability to hit the oh-so-common Rotom-W harder, as well as any other Water-types, etc. without the drawbacks of Superpower.


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Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Scald
- Roar

For any other veteran of the DPP era, this should definitely be a familiar face, whether with a smile, or a frown. For those of you who do not know, this is CroCune, bane of the DPP era, now put into lowly UU. The first, and probably the move that makes CroCune so evil, is Rest, which, fully restores your HP to full health. Thanks to Sleep Talk, the two turns asleep really aren't a problem, while still having the ability to be offensive. Thanks to Gen 5, Suicune has gained a huge gift with Scald, and with this set, Scald becomes a major godsend, thanks to the 30% burn. Roar tops off the last of CroCune, which is the other major reason why this set is so infamous. It can easily phase out the foe who has setup (quite easily Keldeo), and easily Rest back to full health. Suicune is also one of the two main Pokemon that make this team, and while Thundurus-T might seem like a problem, the next Pokemon easily goes hand-in-hand with Suicune to take care of this problem.

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Porygon2 @ Eviolite
Trait: Trace
EVs: 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Thunder Wave
- Recover

For purposes unforeseen, Porygon2 is also in the UU tier, but it's no problem, for Porygon2 has all the right moves Abilities to take care of my team. Thanks to the common Choice equipped Thundurus-T, I can easily Trace Volt Absorb, and turn a powerful hit, into a full on recovery move. Thunderbolt takes care of Tornadus, who can't do too much to Porygon2, as well as other Water-types, who also can't do much (outside Keldeo). Ice Beam rounds off the attacking combo, forming the famous BoltBeam combination, which gives me good coverage in today's metagame, being able to hit Dragons for super-effective damage. Thunder Wave is highly useful, being able to cripple predicted switch-ins, or for those who I think can set-up and withstand my BoltBeam barrage. Recover perfectly rounds off Porygon2, being able to have reliable recovery is definitely a good thing for a wall.

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Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 224 SDef / 32 Spd
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Iron Head
- Wish
- Body Slam

Rounding off my core, it's...Jirachi! Since Suicune is a long-term player and Porygon2 is busy taking all the hits aimed at Suicune, what else is there to do? Well, for one thing, the hazards damage is appreciated, and Jirachi makes for the perfect hazards setter, not worrying about Ferrothorn's troublesome 4x Fire weakness. Iron Head makes for a perfect fit on Jirachi, being that Iron Head has a 60% crit rate thanks to Serene Grace, which means Jirachi will hardly ever get touched. Wish makes for good recovery, also being able to pass on Wishes to weakened team mates who cannot recover back their HP, or are too weak and too slow to recover health. Body Slam is the final move, which gives me a chance to cripple the likes of Gliscor and the predicted Landorus-T.

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Thundurus-T (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Volt Switch
- Thunder
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Focus Blast

Last, but not least, Thundurus-T! He's one of the most used Pokemon in OU, and for a good reason. Monstrous Sp. Attack, coupled with a Choice Scarf makes for a definitely threatening force that all Pokemon should worry about in some way, or another. Thundurus-T is equipped with Volt Switch, which is also used to scout the opponent out. Thunder is a definite must, not only backed up by 389 Sp. Attack, but also with STAB, which will either dent or KO nearly all other Pokemon in the OU tier. Hidden Power Ice is used to hit Dragon-types for super effective damage that Thunder only hits for neutral damage. Focus Blast ends off the set, taking care of a certain opposing weather user (Tyranitar), and any other Steel, Rock, Ice, or Normal-type that comes my way.



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Politoed (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Scald
- Toxic
- Perish Song
- Focus Blast

Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Technician
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- Bug Bite

Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Scald
- Roar

Porygon2 @ Eviolite
Trait: Trace
EVs: 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Thunder Wave
- Recover

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 224 SDef / 32 Spd
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Iron Head
- Wish
- Body Slam

Thundurus-T (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Volt Switch
- Thunder
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Focus Blast



Threat List​

Color key:​

- Minor threat (defensive Pokemon, Pokemon that can sometimes be quite a threat; something like Unaware Quagsire, etc.) -
- Medium threat (can take some turns to properly be a threat, can at times be speedy attackers like Latios) -
- Major threat (can easily take my team down, is a bad problem) -
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Ferrothorn - I don't really have a lot to get rid of it, other than Politoed (Focus Blast), Thundurus-T (Focus Blast), or Scizor (Superpower). If all of my three counters are down, Ferrothorn still isn't really a threat, just a tougher wall.​
 
RE: Stick to Your Guns OU

I'll go Pokemon by Pokemon for this:

Politoed (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Scald
- Toxic
- Perish Song
- Focus Blast

Looks good. You rarely see Focus Blast here, but I see the Ferrothorn point. Politoed misses Protect though, so keep Wishpassing to it. Forms a solid defensive core with Jirachi and Porygon2.

Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Technician
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- Bug Bite

Interesting use of Bug Bite. Without Pursuit though, Lati@s becomes a moderate threat to you. Only Jirachi can take a Dragon attack, while Suicune, Thundurus-T, and Politoed can't do squat to them. You may want to put it back on, as Rotom-W is handled somewhat by Thundurus-T (Negating VSwitch and using momentum). Also, use a 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SDef spread to reduce SR damage, always.

Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Scald
- Roar

Perfect CroCune. I haven't seen this in forever because of Thundurus-T and Rotom-W. You have what it takes to cover them, but this only should be brought out once they're gone.

Porygon2 @ Eviolite
Trait: Trace
EVs: 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Thunder Wave
- Recover

Easy Therian remover, check. Why you are running Thunder Wave on both this and Jirachi, I'm not sure. If you need Paralysis that bad, you may try Discharge over Thunderbolt. It does not interfere with Thunder Wave, as it does damage to boot. Otherwise, solid.

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 224 SDef / 32 Spd
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Iron Head
- Wish
- Thunder Wave

You need a way to paralyse Landorus(-T) and Gliscor, enough said. Please use Body Slam over Thunder Wave ASAP, as the aforementioned and Thundurus-T are immune and use it as a momentum builder. Body Slam at least can paralyze said Pokemon. You may also want a 252 / 216 / 40 spread to outspeed standard Gliscor and Body Slam it before it activates its Toxic Orb, or you just want to Iron Head spam it. This also works well against Celebi and other Jirachi, so consider investing more in Spe.

Thundurus-T (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Volt Switch
- Thunder
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Focus Blast

Standard is standard. Use with caution though, as it is frail even with two immunities (2HKOed by Tornadus-T Hurricane).

Threat List:

Add Lati@s as minor/moderate threats. They can wreak havoc if Jirachi is weakened prior.
Add Celebi as a moderate/major threat. Only Thundurus-T can hope to beat it, except for the fact that it is 2HKOed by a +2 Leaf Storm. HP Fire takes out Scizor quickly, and a combination of Leaf Storm and Earth Power wipes through the rest, and the abundance of musketeers nowadays just screams Porygon2's end, as it likely is paired with Keldeo or Terrakion. Thundurus-T can't do much besides HP Ice, which is a sad move to be locked into if Celebi switches. Nasty Plot Celebi is a hard-to-combat threat here.

All in all, great team, but that small hole for a small threat is just crippling. Consider a Celebi counter of sorts (Scarf Scizor, Chansey, etc.)

~AoH
 
RE: Stick to Your Guns OU

AoH said:
I'll go Pokemon by Pokemon for this:

Politoed (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Scald
- Toxic
- Perish Song
- Focus Blast

Looks good. You rarely see Focus Blast here, but I see the Ferrothorn point. Politoed misses Protect though, so keep Wishpassing to it. Forms a solid defensive core with Jirachi and Porygon2.

Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Technician
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- Bug Bite

Interesting use of Bug Bite. Without Pursuit though, Lati@s becomes a moderate threat to you. Only Jirachi can take a Dragon attack, while Suicune, Thundurus-T, and Politoed can't do squat to them. You may want to put it back on, as Rotom-W is handled somewhat by Thundurus-T (Negating VSwitch and using momentum). Also, use a 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SDef spread to reduce SR damage, always.

Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Scald
- Roar

Perfect CroCune. I haven't seen this in forever because of Thundurus-T and Rotom-W. You have what it takes to cover them, but this only should be brought out once they're gone.

Porygon2 @ Eviolite
Trait: Trace
EVs: 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Thunder Wave
- Recover

Easy Therian remover, check. Why you are running Thunder Wave on both this and Jirachi, I'm not sure. If you need Paralysis that bad, you may try Discharge over Thunderbolt. It does not interfere with Thunder Wave, as it does damage to boot. Otherwise, solid.

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 224 SDef / 32 Spd
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Iron Head
- Wish
- Thunder Wave

You need a way to paralyse Landorus(-T) and Gliscor, enough said. Please use Body Slam over Thunder Wave ASAP, as the aforementioned and Thundurus-T are immune and use it as a momentum builder. Body Slam at least can paralyze said Pokemon. You may also want a 252 / 216 / 40 spread to outspeed standard Gliscor and Body Slam it before it activates its Toxic Orb, or you just want to Iron Head spam it. This also works well against Celebi and other Jirachi, so consider investing more in Spe.

Thundurus-T (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Volt Switch
- Thunder
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Focus Blast

Standard is standard. Use with caution though, as it is frail even with two immunities (2HKOed by Tornadus-T Hurricane).

Threat List:

Add Lati@s as minor/moderate threats. They can wreak havoc if Jirachi is weakened prior.
Add Celebi as a moderate/major threat. Only Thundurus-T can hope to beat it, except for the fact that it is 2HKOed by a +2 Leaf Storm. HP Fire takes out Scizor quickly, and a combination of Leaf Storm and Earth Power wipes through the rest, and the abundance of musketeers nowadays just screams Porygon2's end, as it likely is paired with Keldeo or Terrakion. Thundurus-T can't do much besides HP Ice, which is a sad move to be locked into if Celebi switches. Nasty Plot Celebi is a hard-to-combat threat here.

All in all, great team, but that small hole for a small threat is just crippling. Consider a Celebi counter of sorts (Scarf Scizor, Chansey, etc.)

~AoH
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Thanks man, I'll be sure to change Body Slam on Rachi over TWave, as well as give the EV spread a try. Celebi I honestly can't say how threatening it is mainly due to I have had quite some luck with my Celebi encounters. I'll also try out Pursuit over Bug Bite
 
RE: Stick to Your Guns OU

If the pics dont work with pokedex numbers, try just using the name.
 
RE: Stick to Your Guns OU

Jay said:
If the pics don't work with pokedex numbers, try just using the name.
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Do you have the pics for Politoed, Thundurus-T, and Porygon2?
 
RE: Stick to Your Guns OU

Thanks Emvee, and updated the sprites

Now, anyone else have any criticism? It's greatly appreciated!
 
RE: Stick to Your Guns OU

Thanks for the post. If the pics don’t work with pokedex numbers
 
RE: Stick to Your Guns OU

I feel that both Suicune and Politoed are playing very similar roles on this team, and you really don't need both. Additionally, your team really doesn't have much offensive presence, as both Scizor and Thundurus must lock themselves into a Choice move and make easy set-up fodder. Also, having a pseudo-Volturn team, you really do need a spinner. The obvious fit is Starmie, but I'm going to recommend a bit of an odd-ball option in Specs Starmie. This may seem odd as I just went on about Choice-locked moves, but Starmie can also Trick a potential counter its Specs. Just something to think about.
 
RE: Stick to Your Guns OU

If you're going to run Starmie along with Politoed, I tend to like running a more offensive variant of Toad and defensive Starmie, since it's basically the best Spinner in the game right now, something that Thundurus-T sorely needs.
 
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