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Such Keldeo, Very Blastoise, Wow, Much BKEX
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RE: Such Keldeo, Very Blastoise, Wow, Much Interesting
The 4-1-4 Blastoise line seems good as it is, but there are quite a few issues with your deck that I need to point out. Firstly, your supporter line is very unorthodox. I'd try adding more Junipers to help your consistency. 3 or 4 is the norm. Also, Rock Guard is probably the worst ace spec you could play in here. Try playing Computer Search for the built in consistency or Dowsing Machine for the late game Scrappers/SERs (I prefer Dowsing machine for this reason). Speaking of scrappers, with Darkrai/Yveltal/Garb being hyped in this next set, I'd add another one to make that matchup a little more favorable.
It seems you're sacrificing Blastoise's best matchups by not playing Black Kyurem-EX in here.. This deck would practically take an autoloss from any consistent metadeck due to that fact. As a result, I'd make sure to play it.
In addition to that, your Pokemon line is really messed up. A 1-0-1 Greninja line is going to get you nowhere in a deck that focuses on taking OHKOs. Also, the amount of singleton cards in here isn't good, especially due to the fact that Blastoise already has lategame consistency problems as is.
Here are the changes I'd make to your list.
-1 Froakie (Taking out with Greninja)
-1 Greninja (Pointless in a deck focusing on OHKOs)
-1 Suicune PLB (Don't play singleton attackers)
-1 Mewtwo-EX (Don't play singleton attackers)
-1 Kyurem-EX (Don't play singleton attackers)
-1 Cassius (A good idea, but not needed since
-1 Cilan (Putting in Electrode instead for late game consistency, also allows you to get energies quicker)
-1 Colress (Putting in Electrode instead for late game consistency)
-1 Silver Mirror (Not good in an aggressive deck, which should focus on EX attackers)
-1 Muscle Band (Has no point since you want to focus on OHKOs)
-2 Energy Retrieval (SER is better. 4 energies helps you out so much with pretty much any attacker)
-3 Switch (Pointless because of Rush In)
-3 Water Energy (for lightning energies and Professor's Letter)
-1 Rock Guard (Dowsing Machine is the better Ace Spec in Blastoise)
+1 Dowsing Machine (Best Ace Spec in Blastoise)
+2 Electrode (Lategame consistency, makes you immune to N)
+2 Voltorb (for Electrode)
+2 Black Kyurem-EX (great at OHKOing, seals your Plasma and Genesect matchups)
+2 Keldeo-EX (Great ability helping you against Lasers, and also a good attacker)
+1 Tool Scrapper (Helps your Garbodor Matchup)
+2 Professor Juniper (4 isn't needed here due to Shauna)
+3 Super Energy Retrieval (4 is a staple in all Blastoise builds)
+1 Ultra Ball (Helps you search out any attacker in here)
+2 Lightning Energies (for Black Kyurem-EX)
+1 Professor's Letter (essentially a double Energy Search... almost like a Cilan if it wasn't a supporter).
In the end, your list should look like this...
Also, if you have Beaches, I'd suggest playing them over Electrode. However, they're expensive and I'm assuming you're a newer player, so Electrode makes a good replacement. Also, if you're unsure about all the cards in here that force you to discard other cards (ex. Ultra Ball, SER, Dowsing Machine), then you could play an Exeggcute. However, it's really unnecessary, especially thanks to Electrode.
The 4-1-4 Blastoise line seems good as it is, but there are quite a few issues with your deck that I need to point out. Firstly, your supporter line is very unorthodox. I'd try adding more Junipers to help your consistency. 3 or 4 is the norm. Also, Rock Guard is probably the worst ace spec you could play in here. Try playing Computer Search for the built in consistency or Dowsing Machine for the late game Scrappers/SERs (I prefer Dowsing machine for this reason). Speaking of scrappers, with Darkrai/Yveltal/Garb being hyped in this next set, I'd add another one to make that matchup a little more favorable.
It seems you're sacrificing Blastoise's best matchups by not playing Black Kyurem-EX in here.. This deck would practically take an autoloss from any consistent metadeck due to that fact. As a result, I'd make sure to play it.
In addition to that, your Pokemon line is really messed up. A 1-0-1 Greninja line is going to get you nowhere in a deck that focuses on taking OHKOs. Also, the amount of singleton cards in here isn't good, especially due to the fact that Blastoise already has lategame consistency problems as is.
Here are the changes I'd make to your list.
-1 Froakie (Taking out with Greninja)
-1 Greninja (Pointless in a deck focusing on OHKOs)
-1 Suicune PLB (Don't play singleton attackers)
-1 Mewtwo-EX (Don't play singleton attackers)
-1 Kyurem-EX (Don't play singleton attackers)
-1 Cassius (A good idea, but not needed since
-1 Cilan (Putting in Electrode instead for late game consistency, also allows you to get energies quicker)
-1 Colress (Putting in Electrode instead for late game consistency)
-1 Silver Mirror (Not good in an aggressive deck, which should focus on EX attackers)
-1 Muscle Band (Has no point since you want to focus on OHKOs)
-2 Energy Retrieval (SER is better. 4 energies helps you out so much with pretty much any attacker)
-3 Switch (Pointless because of Rush In)
-3 Water Energy (for lightning energies and Professor's Letter)
-1 Rock Guard (Dowsing Machine is the better Ace Spec in Blastoise)
+1 Dowsing Machine (Best Ace Spec in Blastoise)
+2 Electrode (Lategame consistency, makes you immune to N)
+2 Voltorb (for Electrode)
+2 Black Kyurem-EX (great at OHKOing, seals your Plasma and Genesect matchups)
+2 Keldeo-EX (Great ability helping you against Lasers, and also a good attacker)
+1 Tool Scrapper (Helps your Garbodor Matchup)
+2 Professor Juniper (4 isn't needed here due to Shauna)
+3 Super Energy Retrieval (4 is a staple in all Blastoise builds)
+1 Ultra Ball (Helps you search out any attacker in here)
+2 Lightning Energies (for Black Kyurem-EX)
+1 Professor's Letter (essentially a double Energy Search... almost like a Cilan if it wasn't a supporter).
In the end, your list should look like this...
4-1-4 Blastoise
2-2 Electrode
2 Black Kyurem-EX
3 Keldeo-EX
1 Colress
4 Skyla
3 Professor Juniper
4 N
2 Shauna
1 Float Stone
4 Superior Energy Retrieval
4 Rare Candy
4 Ultra Ball
2 Tool Scrapper
1 Dowsing Machine (ACE SPEC)
1 Professor's Letter
9 Water
2 Lightning
2-2 Electrode
2 Black Kyurem-EX
3 Keldeo-EX
1 Colress
4 Skyla
3 Professor Juniper
4 N
2 Shauna
1 Float Stone
4 Superior Energy Retrieval
4 Rare Candy
4 Ultra Ball
2 Tool Scrapper
1 Dowsing Machine (ACE SPEC)
1 Professor's Letter
9 Water
2 Lightning
Also, if you have Beaches, I'd suggest playing them over Electrode. However, they're expensive and I'm assuming you're a newer player, so Electrode makes a good replacement. Also, if you're unsure about all the cards in here that force you to discard other cards (ex. Ultra Ball, SER, Dowsing Machine), then you could play an Exeggcute. However, it's really unnecessary, especially thanks to Electrode.
RE: Such Keldeo, Very Blastoise, Wow, Much Interesting
So a couple of pieces of advice.
- ditch the rock guard for dowsing machine, computer search, or maybe even scramble switch, as these are much more consistent, and the rock guard can get tool scrapped away.
- let go of these things: kyurem ex (unneeded, play black kyurem ex) , mewtwo (you should be loading up keldeos or or BKEX), greninja line (just extra, and you want your energy), suicune (lacking consistency, not a great att), and you can run the deck without the wartortle, and 3 blastoise, GET MORE JUNIPER, attacker) SUPERIOR ENERGY RETRIEVAL (essential in any keldeo especially with BKEX) , AND TOOL SCRAPPER (garbodor matchups) , KELDEO ex (rush in and attacks) (caps for the more essential things). You must also play Black kyurem ex, as this deck has a very hard time functioning without it. Play 2 lightning, and two black kyurem. also maybe play kyurem (PLF) .
- also ditch cassius (extra card, maybe useful in certain situations), shauna (maybe), cilian (professors letter), and maybe go to one colress. go down to one (if any) regular energy retrieval, and you can go without float stone. if you want my list, (it won 3 cities) send me a PM.
So a couple of pieces of advice.
- ditch the rock guard for dowsing machine, computer search, or maybe even scramble switch, as these are much more consistent, and the rock guard can get tool scrapped away.
- let go of these things: kyurem ex (unneeded, play black kyurem ex) , mewtwo (you should be loading up keldeos or or BKEX), greninja line (just extra, and you want your energy), suicune (lacking consistency, not a great att), and you can run the deck without the wartortle, and 3 blastoise, GET MORE JUNIPER, attacker) SUPERIOR ENERGY RETRIEVAL (essential in any keldeo especially with BKEX) , AND TOOL SCRAPPER (garbodor matchups) , KELDEO ex (rush in and attacks) (caps for the more essential things). You must also play Black kyurem ex, as this deck has a very hard time functioning without it. Play 2 lightning, and two black kyurem. also maybe play kyurem (PLF) .
- also ditch cassius (extra card, maybe useful in certain situations), shauna (maybe), cilian (professors letter), and maybe go to one colress. go down to one (if any) regular energy retrieval, and you can go without float stone. if you want my list, (it won 3 cities) send me a PM.
RE: Such Keldeo, Very Blastoise, Wow, Much Interesting
I don't have Electrode of XY, but I don't see an use for it. I will get an Exeggcute because it helps me a lot because I run 2 S.E.R.s (I didn't uptade it).
And well... Beaches... nope, I don't have the money.
In the new list I just made I took out some of those things you said, I will update it later, thanks for your advices (to both of you)!
Nigel said:
I don't have Electrode of XY, but I don't see an use for it. I will get an Exeggcute because it helps me a lot because I run 2 S.E.R.s (I didn't uptade it).
And well... Beaches... nope, I don't have the money.
In the new list I just made I took out some of those things you said, I will update it later, thanks for your advices (to both of you)!
RE: Such Keldeo, Very Blastoise, Wow, Much Interesting
I have tried to instill this upon Socery before, with me trying to get him to post with reasoning, but it appears as though those thoughts have fallen out of his head!
But what I believe he is asking you is if you have a tech against VirGen or not.
@Socery: Please post reasoning next time.
Eron said:
I have tried to instill this upon Socery before, with me trying to get him to post with reasoning, but it appears as though those thoughts have fallen out of his head!
But what I believe he is asking you is if you have a tech against VirGen or not.
@Socery: Please post reasoning next time.
RE: Such Keldeo, Very Blastoise, Wow, Much Interesting
Oh well, my deck is not made only for VirGen, it's not like: VIRGEN SHALL LOSE AT THE SECOND TURN! No. But, here may be something, I use the BKEX to kill GenesectEX after it uses it's G-Booster. Maybe you can change some stuff for catchers in case you want to pull Genesects when you have BKEX loaded an ready to kill. But that's not the way I do it. As you can see it's made to be played with every deck, from TBK to Accelgor/Gothitelle.
Oh well, my deck is not made only for VirGen, it's not like: VIRGEN SHALL LOSE AT THE SECOND TURN! No. But, here may be something, I use the BKEX to kill GenesectEX after it uses it's G-Booster. Maybe you can change some stuff for catchers in case you want to pull Genesects when you have BKEX loaded an ready to kill. But that's not the way I do it. As you can see it's made to be played with every deck, from TBK to Accelgor/Gothitelle.
RE: Such Keldeo, Very Blastoise, Wow, Much Interesting
You definately want to add the PLF electrode line and some level balls; the draw power it provides is amazing in this deck. I only play one BKEX (my blastiose is based around using Keldeo EX more), but you can play up to 3. That card is just too good to pass up; you can have Keldeo hit the smaller Hp cards (non exs and such) and then have BKEX kill the VirGen matchup and other exs (like Darkrai).
You definately want to add the PLF electrode line and some level balls; the draw power it provides is amazing in this deck. I only play one BKEX (my blastiose is based around using Keldeo EX more), but you can play up to 3. That card is just too good to pass up; you can have Keldeo hit the smaller Hp cards (non exs and such) and then have BKEX kill the VirGen matchup and other exs (like Darkrai).
RE: Such Keldeo, Very Blastoise, Wow, Much Interesting
I'd use electrode for draw power personally; it's much less set-up than Delphox.
I'd use electrode for draw power personally; it's much less set-up than Delphox.
RE: Such Keldeo, Very Blastoise, Wow, Much Interesting
I got 3rd Place in a tournament of 40 people without it or electrode, another guy has it, and he doesn't use Delphox, he won to me 2 times. And Dlephoc takes space for my S.E.Rs or another Keldeo, I will update this thing later.
zavtac said:
I got 3rd Place in a tournament of 40 people without it or electrode, another guy has it, and he doesn't use Delphox, he won to me 2 times. And Dlephoc takes space for my S.E.Rs or another Keldeo, I will update this thing later.