XY Sylveon's Type to (most likely) be Revealed Next Week (Update: Kinda...)

[Mitja]

It doesn't even matter if any of those are bugs/insects etc.
First of all the type names are not well chosen or specific enough and are more like common simple words that vaguely point in the right direction.

Secondly, bugs don't need to be Bug type, and non-bugs can be Bug types. (although so far there aren't any noteworthy cases yet, just "bugs" who are not Bug type: Drapion, Gligar, Flygon)

Its the same thing as with dragons. (They can be dragons without being Dragon type, or be Dragon type but not dragons. Kingdra is a nice example - and reverse: Charizard, Gyarados)

Types are a sum of abilities, features and strengths/weaknesses.
That is true for all of them, including the creature types.

Types are not "what kind of creature is this"
Types are not "where does this live"
Types are "what is this good at?"

 

[halfrican]

Seriously? Was my massive post just... ignored? The most reliable translation of the Smash video says that Sylveon is not Fighting Type, is 'strong' against Ice, and Poison is super-effective against it. The only thing in there that doesn't jive with the Fairy information from the source is being strong against Ice, and while there are a number of explanations for it, I think you'll find if you look in the spoiler marked 'Regarding WPM's source' I actually mention this discrepancy. I'm not dancing around it at all.

As P.DelSlayer said, it's entirely possible that they were simply showing that Ice type wasn't resistant to moves of Sylveon's type. Since Smash actually didn't specify (being a children's show) what she technically would have done, it could also mean that Sylveon gets access to Fire, Fighting, Steel, or Rock type moves. I don't believe they even said it was supereffective though, I think they just said that she was able to break the ice block so they thought she might be Steel type.

Please, I urge you to go back and read my post. I did the research, I tabled out the facts, and there is not a single monotype Pokemon that falls into Not-Fighting/Strong against Ice/Weak to Poison. There are very few dualtypes that fall into that grouping. Even if you change 'Strong against Ice' to 'Neutral against Ice', the only monotype that opens up is the Grass type, and it doesn't change the dualtype possibilities as they're all part Grass anyway.

Maybe I'll just repost it.

I actually didn't see your post. Must have been skimming. I honestly couldn't find a single person that seemed to care that there was an inconsistency there, here or on Serebii. As it was being discussed, serebii's community seemed to be ignoring the rumors, and pokebeach seemed to be ignoring smash. In fact, the front page still hasn't mentioned Smash at all. I agree with everything in your post, and I probably would have quoted you if i had noticed the last couple of spoiler tags. I think I was more miffed that no one seemed bothered that ice, the weakest defensive type, might get more weaknesses. I'd be okay with fairy being super effective against ice if and only if the whole type chart gets rebalanced. No more weakness to rock and fighting and maybe a resistance to anything (water seems reasonable).

EDIT: Now that I'm thinking about it, it would be silly if they were testing to see if ice types resisted sylveon's attacks. The only thing ice is resistant to is ice, and I doubt anyone thought sylveon is an ice type...

 

[Leaferian]

EDIT: Now that I'm thinking about it, it would be silly if they were testing to see if ice types resisted sylveon's attacks. The only thing ice is resistant to is ice, and I doubt anyone thought sylveon is an ice type...

To be completely blunt, Smash's 'tests' are incredibly silly. They were designed with young children in mind, and they contained no in-depth analysis. From what I've been told, the question they asked going into the Ice demonstration was something along the lines of 'can she hurt ice?', and then she broke the block in half. People can take that however they want, obviously.

Also, while I personally do not know how the playtesting for Pokemon works I would have to imagine that figuring out type advantages/disadvantages is something you'd be working out on your own. Even if they directly told the playtester, how easy would it be to simply forget one type when telling their roommate, the source of the leak? I mean, the source has made mistakes before that he later corrected. The final typings of the -grass and -water starters were switched.

Even with one possible inconsistency, it doesn't change the fact that no type fits into the tests outlined by Pokemon Smash, and there are very few dual-types that fit. I dunno about anyone else, but while I'm not ignoring the Ice thing and I'm curious what the source would have to say about it, I'm not exactly stressing over it either.

 

[TheFirePenguin]

With all the hints given out, we can pretty much confirm it's a new type. It's even in the name. Fairy does fit Sylveon, considering it's very obscure appearance. Plus Gamefreak isn't even releasing the typing. I mean if Sylveon was an existing type, then what's the deal of not confirming it's type? Although Gamefreak is a troll company, there must be a good reason to hide the type.

 

[Frezgle]

With all the hints given out, we can pretty much confirm it's a new type. It's even in the name. Fairy does fit Sylveon, considering it's very obscure appearance. Plus Gamefreak isn't even releasing the typing. I mean if Sylveon was an existing type, then what's the deal of not confirming it's type? Although Gamefreak is a troll company, there must be a good reason to hide the type.

This is pretty much the reason that's got me switched over to thinking it's a new type after all. I had my doubts and reasons for those doubts earlier on, but it's been months, and they still haven't revealed it? It's been slow news this generation, but at this point there must be a damn good reason for something as normally insignificant as a new Pokemon's type to be unrevealed for this long. Would also explain why Xerneas and Yveltal have had their types obscured even longer, if one of them happens to be the new Fairy type (Xerneas seems like the more likely of the two).

 

[Numptynizz]

With all the hints given out, we can pretty much confirm it's a new type. It's even in the name. Fairy does fit Sylveon, considering it's very obscure appearance. Plus Gamefreak isn't even releasing the typing. I mean if Sylveon was an existing type, then what's the deal of not confirming it's type? Although Gamefreak is a troll company, there must be a good reason to hide the type.

That's very true. However I do have a small doubt that they won't release a new type, because it is like the 5th/6th gen (cant remember which) and so releasing a new type would mean you have to change all the typeadvantage tables and crap like that but idk

 

[Mitja]

I wish theyd adjust the type chart without introducing a new type already though.. in other words, a new type doesn't necessarily mean they have to change any of the old types in any way, while I hope there would some day be changes done to improve it either way.

The addition of the Fairy type actually might mean they won't be changing any of the old type-match-ups, as the new type seems to be made so it addresses one of the current issues (that dragons rule competitive battling).

 

[leecario]

That's very true. However I do have a small doubt that they won't release a new type, because it is like the 5th/6th gen (cant remember which) and so releasing a new type would mean you have to change all the typeadvantage tables and crap like that but idk

they wouldn't have to change the type match up charts, just add a row/column for fairy, and only change matchups that pertain to fairy types.

 

[iSharingan]

That's very true. However I do have a small doubt that they won't release a new type, because it is like the 5th/6th gen (cant remember which) and so releasing a new type would mean you have to change all the typeadvantage tables and crap like that but idk

As leecario said, new types are not a problem at all. Also this gen is not very much like gen 5. In every media I've seen they're promoting how they're doing stuff differently than before and what's new (like some new form of bonding mechanism, at least as I interpret it, though this could just be the "invert 3ds to evolve" thing)

 

[Flys Gone 2071]

That's very true. However I do have a small doubt that they won't release a new type, because it is like the 5th/6th gen (cant remember which) and so releasing a new type would mean you have to change all the typeadvantage tables and crap like that but idk

they wouldn't have to change the type match up charts, just add a row/column for fairy, and only change matchups that pertain to fairy types.

I would actually like if there would be type advantages that would make more sense. Like giving Steel weakness to Electric (conduction) and even Water weakness to Poison (because of pollution) and maybe Flying weakness to Poison (the same as above). It would help Poison the last 2.

 

[iSharingan]

If the leaked type matchups for the Fairy type are correct, Fairy type will see an explosion of usage thanks to dragon immunity and poison will see more usage to counter fairy. Poison is already getting a decent boon with just the introduction of Fairy types (don't forget the re-typing of pokemon like Mawhile)

 

[Flys Gone 2071]

If the leaked type matchups for the Fairy type are correct, Fairy type will see an explosion of usage thanks to dragon immunity and poison will see more usage to counter fairy. Poison is already getting a decent boon with just the introduction of Fairy types (don't forget the re-typing of pokemon like Mawhile)

They could still help it with 1 more type advantage (I would say Water because Poison polluting Water could make more sense than Poison polluting Flying). Also it wouldn't help against Mawhile (I know you only used it as an example).

 

[iSharingan]

If the leaked type matchups for the Fairy type are correct, Fairy type will see an explosion of usage thanks to dragon immunity and poison will see more usage to counter fairy. Poison is already getting a decent boon with just the introduction of Fairy types (don't forget the re-typing of pokemon like Mawhile)

They could still help it with 1 more type advantage (I would say Water because Poison polluting Water could make more sense than Poison polluting Flying). Also it wouldn't help against Mawhile (I know you only used it as an example).

By that logic, steel needs another advantage and less resistances... Gamefreak is getting more in tune with some of the ideas that make for a good competitive experience, but that doesn't mean they'll change the whole game to center around it. I say let them do what they're already planning to do without complaining excessively about what existing types need new match-ups (I'm not accusing anyone here of this. I've just noticed a trend elsewhere and I'd be immensely relieved if it didn't start here too). So far they've made an excellent, versatile system that can be fairly well balanced with a tiering system and I see no indication that it will get worse with what they've leaked thus far.